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RE: New Conference for NMSU
(09-07-2019 01:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 05:31 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If, a ver big if, the MWC could somehow lose San Jose, they could pick up NMSU and it would help some in hoops. NMSU needs to build football up to be taken seriously.


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San Jose State's finances are solid for at least the next decade. They have almost 3x as many students paying a larger athletic fee than NMSU students pay.The level of institutional transfer is lower than NMSU by more than a few million $. In short they are not going anywhere.

What the Spartans need is a couple good hires to coach and then a better effort to support those coaches when they get the, They sit on the 2nd best (behind SDSU) recruiting zone in the MWC. NMSU (New Mexico and UTEP for that matter) sit in a recruiting desert for students and athletes. While a lot of upset from fans is directed (justly) at SJSU for poor performance, they simply are not in any hurt.

It should be noted the MWC is most likely going to look at adding a Texas school should they lose anyone in realignment (Colorado State is by far the most likely target of realignment), and the Texas school they are most likely to add is not UTEP but Rice. North Texas might also be on the radar. UTEP and NMSU are suffering from the same decline in the local region.

Put quite bluntly NMSU ranks no higher than about 4th on the MWC replacement/expansion list.

I agree. The Bay Area Market is too valuable to lose. SJSU football has a higher ceiling than NMSU in football because of the talent in the area. SJSU was 11-2 in 2012 and ended up ranked #21 in the nation in the AP and Coaches poll. They had eight players off of the 2012 team that played in the NFL.

Stu would know more about why the team isn't better in basketball than I would, but they can get talent there. For example, Brandon Clarke played two seasons with San Jose State recently before transferring to Gonzaga. At SJSU, he was first team All-MWC and first team All-Defense. He was an NBA first round draft pick in 2019.

It would be great if SJSU and NMSU were in the MWC together. I think the Aggies have got to take it to the next level in basketball for the MWC to consider adding them.
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RE: New Conference for NMSU
(09-07-2019 02:19 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 01:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 05:31 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If, a ver big if, the MWC could somehow lose San Jose, they could pick up NMSU and it would help some in hoops. NMSU needs to build football up to be taken seriously.


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San Jose State's finances are solid for at least the next decade. They have almost 3x as many students paying a larger athletic fee than NMSU students pay.The level of institutional transfer is lower than NMSU by more than a few million $. In short they are not going anywhere.

What the Spartans need is a couple good hires to coach and then a better effort to support those coaches when they get the, They sit on the 2nd best (behind SDSU) recruiting zone in the MWC. NMSU (New Mexico and UTEP for that matter) sit in a recruiting desert for students and athletes. While a lot of upset from fans is directed (justly) at SJSU for poor performance, they simply are not in any hurt.

It should be noted the MWC is most likely going to look at adding a Texas school should they lose anyone in realignment (Colorado State is by far the most likely target of realignment), and the Texas school they are most likely to add is not UTEP but Rice. North Texas might also be on the radar. UTEP and NMSU are suffering from the same decline in the local region.

Put quite bluntly NMSU ranks no higher than about 4th on the MWC replacement/expansion list.

I agree. The Bay Area Market is too valuable to lose. SJSU football has a higher ceiling than NMSU in football because of the talent in the area. SJSU was 11-2 in 2012 and ended up ranked #21 in the nation in the AP and Coaches poll. They had eight players off of the 2012 team that played in the NFL.

Stu would know more about why the team isn't better in basketball than I would, but they can get talent there. For example, Brandon Clarke played two seasons with San Jose State recently before transferring to Gonzaga. At SJSU, he was first team All-MWC and first team All-Defense. He was an NBA first round draft pick in 2019.

It would be great if SJSU and NMSU were in the MWC together. I think the Aggies have got to take it to the next level in basketball for the MWC to consider adding them.

This would not be an apple for an apple exchange. If the MWC dropped San Jose State as a member, they would not add NMSU as a football member. The MWC would be looking to reduce the football conference to 10 members while "maybe" adding NMSU and GCU for Olympic sports only; replacing SJSU's full membership and Hawaii's football membership. San Jose State has never been competitive in basketball. They've had a few good players pass through there program; heck, NMSU's Terrell Brown originally played at SJSU. However, the Spartans have never had the coach or facilities to draw much top basketball talent. I'm not saying the MWC would ever consider adding NMSU. But "IF" they were to do so, this would be strictly a basketball move; excluding NMSU football program. The best NMSU could hope for from the MWC is an agreement to schedule NMSU yearly among their OOC games.
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RE: New Conference for NMSU
(09-05-2019 09:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  This article is placing a bleak picture for the WAC courtesy of DU fans.

https://letsgodu.com/2019/08/30/wac-wobb...ssion=true

This is not an article by a journalist. It is from a blogger.

1. Grand Canyon has already sent out feelers to the Summit League, The Big West, Missouri Valley, and the West Coast Conference but the conferences fear GCU’s for profit ‘diploma-mill’ background. - Sources? The "for profit ‘diploma-mill’ background" quote is a stupid statement. So students just buy their degrees, they don't actually learn anything?

2. New Mexico State is a football independent and would like to jump to the Mountain West or the American Athletic Conference for all sports or the Big West for its current Olympic sports menu. - Sources? The American Athletic Conference? Are you kidding?

3. And of course, as we have mentioned before, Seattle University is desperately waiting for an invitation to rejoin the West Coast Conference either before or after the inevitable collapse of the current WAC. Sources? Desperately? The inevitable collapse of the current WAC? How can he make that assumption?

4. WCC power Gonzaga University has been rumored to have blocked Seattle’s WCC aspirations in past years, and is reportedly unwilling to cede its recruiting dominance in the state of Washington. Don't post rumors as fact. Who is the reported source for this information? Think about it, Gonzaga will play any good basketball school in the country. Why would they be afraid of Seattle? Because of the market? They have one player on their entire roster from the state of Washington.

5. Pretty soon, both the WAC and the Summit League are going to run out of regional Division II schools who can afford to ‘move up’ to DI. The guy needs to stay focused on the WAC and not wander off to the Summit. There are 21 D2 schools in California alone. So the WAC is far from running out of D2 options.

These guys do a good job of covering DU sports. But they are not journalists. This is a rambling article with inaccuracies, making assumptions about Chicago State. A journalist will call or email Chicago State. You don't rely on information gathered from a weekly Chicago newspaper. This guy needs to take a journalism class.
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RE: New Conference for NMSU
(09-07-2019 04:02 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(09-05-2019 09:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  This article is placing a bleak picture for the WAC courtesy of DU fans.

https://letsgodu.com/2019/08/30/wac-wobb...ssion=true

This is not an article by a journalist. It is from a blogger.

1. Grand Canyon has already sent out feelers to the Summit League, The Big West, Missouri Valley, and the West Coast Conference but the conferences fear GCU’s for profit ‘diploma-mill’ background. - Sources? The "for profit ‘diploma-mill’ background" quote is a stupid statement. So students just buy their degrees, they don't actually learn anything?

2. New Mexico State is a football independent and would like to jump to the Mountain West or the American Athletic Conference for all sports or the Big West for its current Olympic sports menu. - Sources? The American Athletic Conference? Are you kidding?

3. And of course, as we have mentioned before, Seattle University is desperately waiting for an invitation to rejoin the West Coast Conference either before or after the inevitable collapse of the current WAC. Sources? Desperately? The inevitable collapse of the current WAC? How can he make that assumption?

4. WCC power Gonzaga University has been rumored to have blocked Seattle’s WCC aspirations in past years, and is reportedly unwilling to cede its recruiting dominance in the state of Washington. Don't post rumors as fact. Who is the reported source for this information? Think about it, Gonzaga will play any good basketball school in the country. Why would they be afraid of Seattle? Because of the market? They have one player on their entire roster from the state of Washington.

5. Pretty soon, both the WAC and the Summit League are going to run out of regional Division II schools who can afford to ‘move up’ to DI. The guy needs to stay focused on the WAC and not wander off to the Summit. There are 21 D2 schools in California alone. So the WAC is far from running out of D2 options.

These guys do a good job of covering DU sports. But they are not journalists. This is a rambling article with inaccuracies, making assumptions about Chicago State. A journalist will call or email Chicago State. You don't rely on information gathered from a weekly Chicago newspaper. This guy needs to take a journalism class.

Our AD stated a few months ago, American is not an option worth pursuing.
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RE: New Conference for NMSU
(09-07-2019 06:21 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 04:02 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(09-05-2019 09:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  This article is placing a bleak picture for the WAC courtesy of DU fans.

https://letsgodu.com/2019/08/30/wac-wobb...ssion=true

This is not an article by a journalist. It is from a blogger.

1. Grand Canyon has already sent out feelers to the Summit League, The Big West, Missouri Valley, and the West Coast Conference but the conferences fear GCU’s for profit ‘diploma-mill’ background. - Sources? The "for profit ‘diploma-mill’ background" quote is a stupid statement. So students just buy their degrees, they don't actually learn anything?

2. New Mexico State is a football independent and would like to jump to the Mountain West or the American Athletic Conference for all sports or the Big West for its current Olympic sports menu. - Sources? The American Athletic Conference? Are you kidding?

3. And of course, as we have mentioned before, Seattle University is desperately waiting for an invitation to rejoin the West Coast Conference either before or after the inevitable collapse of the current WAC. Sources? Desperately? The inevitable collapse of the current WAC? How can he make that assumption?

4. WCC power Gonzaga University has been rumored to have blocked Seattle’s WCC aspirations in past years, and is reportedly unwilling to cede its recruiting dominance in the state of Washington. Don't post rumors as fact. Who is the reported source for this information? Think about it, Gonzaga will play any good basketball school in the country. Why would they be afraid of Seattle? Because of the market? They have one player on their entire roster from the state of Washington.

5. Pretty soon, both the WAC and the Summit League are going to run out of regional Division II schools who can afford to ‘move up’ to DI. The guy needs to stay focused on the WAC and not wander off to the Summit. There are 21 D2 schools in California alone. So the WAC is far from running out of D2 options.

These guys do a good job of covering DU sports. But they are not journalists. This is a rambling article with inaccuracies, making assumptions about Chicago State. A journalist will call or email Chicago State. You don't rely on information gathered from a weekly Chicago newspaper. This guy needs to take a journalism class.

Our AD stated a few months ago, American is not an option worth pursuing.

Another way of saying that NMSU is not an option for the AAC. Geography alone makes it very difficult. Then the quality of football is not good enough. If and when the AAC replaces UConn, they will need a program in basketball similar to UConn, with a better football program that fits within their already very large footprint.
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(09-07-2019 06:21 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 04:02 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(09-05-2019 09:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  This article is placing a bleak picture for the WAC courtesy of DU fans.

https://letsgodu.com/2019/08/30/wac-wobb...ssion=true

This is not an article by a journalist. It is from a blogger.

1. Grand Canyon has already sent out feelers to the Summit League, The Big West, Missouri Valley, and the West Coast Conference but the conferences fear GCU’s for profit ‘diploma-mill’ background. - Sources? The "for profit ‘diploma-mill’ background" quote is a stupid statement. So students just buy their degrees, they don't actually learn anything?

2. New Mexico State is a football independent and would like to jump to the Mountain West or the American Athletic Conference for all sports or the Big West for its current Olympic sports menu. - Sources? The American Athletic Conference? Are you kidding?

3. And of course, as we have mentioned before, Seattle University is desperately waiting for an invitation to rejoin the West Coast Conference either before or after the inevitable collapse of the current WAC. Sources? Desperately? The inevitable collapse of the current WAC? How can he make that assumption?

4. WCC power Gonzaga University has been rumored to have blocked Seattle’s WCC aspirations in past years, and is reportedly unwilling to cede its recruiting dominance in the state of Washington. Don't post rumors as fact. Who is the reported source for this information? Think about it, Gonzaga will play any good basketball school in the country. Why would they be afraid of Seattle? Because of the market? They have one player on their entire roster from the state of Washington.

5. Pretty soon, both the WAC and the Summit League are going to run out of regional Division II schools who can afford to ‘move up’ to DI. The guy needs to stay focused on the WAC and not wander off to the Summit. There are 21 D2 schools in California alone. So the WAC is far from running out of D2 options.

These guys do a good job of covering DU sports. But they are not journalists. This is a rambling article with inaccuracies, making assumptions about Chicago State. A journalist will call or email Chicago State. You don't rely on information gathered from a weekly Chicago newspaper. This guy needs to take a journalism class.

Our AD stated a few months ago, American is not an option worth pursuing.

Was the American Athletic Conference ever an option? I figured NoDak was either spewing out nonsense of he meant to say Conference USA.
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RE: New Conference for NMSU
If NMSU really is partnering with GCU, they're blind to GCU's issues in the eyes of most universities. GCU is still for-profit in reality; nothing has changed there except some paperwork. They're still banking millions off of low-quality online programs and being bankrolled by a for-profit corporation.

If NMSU is going to partner with anyone, it needs to be Seattle U. or Denver depending on the conference they're approaching. Seattle is the highest quality institution in the WAC, and Denver is the highest in the Summit. Both in big markets, for what that's worth. Seattle might generate some interest in the Big West, WCC, or Big Sky; Denver might generate some interest in the Big Sky and Southland.

The MWC isn't going to expand. They tried with Gonzaga, but no one else makes sense monetarily for now. As we move down the road and TV deals change, that might change as well, but that's the way things are for now. Even if the MWC were to need a full-member, I don't think NMSU is necessarily first in line despite the geographic fit. They had previously flirted with North Texas at some point, and UTEP might be interested. Hard to say since the MWC has fallen some with the loss of Utah, BYU, and TCU. Maybe the Texas schools choose to stay in CUSA with the Texas orientation.

As to the Sun Belt, they've already had a chance to keep NMSU. They knew they were dropping below 12 when they kicked out NMSU and Idaho. They've also previously had Denver as a member, and there's no way they're going to expand all the way to Phoenix for GCU. Unless they lose a member because of a shift higher up the chain, I just don't see them taking NMSU. NMSU would probably be pretty high up the list at this point for them in that situation; there's not many FCS schools with value left. James Madison is really about the only one, and they've been focused on CUSA or higher. Assuming JMU will lower their target, I think they're in before NMSU, but after that, NMSU seems like the best candidate for the Belt. They certainly seem stronger than the other oft-mentioned FCS candidates like Jacksonville St. and Eastern Kentucky. But that's only if they actually need a member, not just because they decide to proactively expand.

NMSU is actually probably the best fit for the Summit right now. They've lost Purdue Fort Wayne (the old IPFW) to the Horizon, leaving only Western Illinois east of the Mississippi. It's a big league stretching from North Dakota to Denver and Tulsa, but NMSU would add value to the league on the Olympic side of things. That would at least stabilize that side for NMSU. Then they're simply left choosing between football independence and hoping for some shakeup while being able to play big dollar buy games or dropping down to FCS like Idaho.

The best overall option seems to be the rumored (but highly unlikely imo) CUSA-Sun Belt swap to get both conferences into the best geographic alignment to control travel. If the western conference ended up with an odd number of members, that's NMSU's chance. Hard to say without knowing which way a few schools would break (mostly thinking Southern Miss, who could go either direction probably).
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I don't see how the Summit or Horizon make any more sense for NMSU than the WAC.
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(09-12-2019 02:52 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  If NMSU really is partnering with GCU, they're blind to GCU's issues in the eyes of most universities. GCU is still for-profit in reality; nothing has changed there except some paperwork. They're still banking millions off of low-quality online programs and being bankrolled by a for-profit corporation.

If NMSU is going to partner with anyone, it needs to be Seattle U. or Denver depending on the conference they're approaching. Seattle is the highest quality institution in the WAC, and Denver is the highest in the Summit. Both in big markets, for what that's worth. Seattle might generate some interest in the Big West, WCC, or Big Sky; Denver might generate some interest in the Big Sky and Southland.

The MWC isn't going to expand. They tried with Gonzaga, but no one else makes sense monetarily for now. As we move down the road and TV deals change, that might change as well, but that's the way things are for now. Even if the MWC were to need a full-member, I don't think NMSU is necessarily first in line despite the geographic fit. They had previously flirted with North Texas at some point, and UTEP might be interested. Hard to say since the MWC has fallen some with the loss of Utah, BYU, and TCU. Maybe the Texas schools choose to stay in CUSA with the Texas orientation.

As to the Sun Belt, they've already had a chance to keep NMSU. They knew they were dropping below 12 when they kicked out NMSU and Idaho. They've also previously had Denver as a member, and there's no way they're going to expand all the way to Phoenix for GCU. Unless they lose a member because of a shift higher up the chain, I just don't see them taking NMSU. NMSU would probably be pretty high up the list at this point for them in that situation; there's not many FCS schools with value left. James Madison is really about the only one, and they've been focused on CUSA or higher. Assuming JMU will lower their target, I think they're in before NMSU, but after that, NMSU seems like the best candidate for the Belt. They certainly seem stronger than the other oft-mentioned FCS candidates like Jacksonville St. and Eastern Kentucky. But that's only if they actually need a member, not just because they decide to proactively expand.

NMSU is actually probably the best fit for the Summit right now. They've lost Purdue Fort Wayne (the old IPFW) to the Horizon, leaving only Western Illinois east of the Mississippi. It's a big league stretching from North Dakota to Denver and Tulsa, but NMSU would add value to the league on the Olympic side of things. That would at least stabilize that side for NMSU. Then they're simply left choosing between football independence and hoping for some shakeup while being able to play big dollar buy games or dropping down to FCS like Idaho.

The best overall option seems to be the rumored (but highly unlikely imo) CUSA-Sun Belt swap to get both conferences into the best geographic alignment to control travel. If the western conference ended up with an odd number of members, that's NMSU's chance. Hard to say without knowing which way a few schools would break (mostly thinking Southern Miss, who could go either direction probably).

Simply put:
CUSA East ===> SBC
SBC West ===> CUSA
UTA + UALR => CUSA
CUSA =====> SWC 2.0
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(09-12-2019 05:37 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  I don't see how the Summit or Horizon make any more sense for NMSU than the WAC.

I don't think the Horizon makes a lick of sense. It's a Great Lakes based conference. But the Summit makes more sense simply because it's established, not at risk of losing its autobid, and not dependent on D-2 call-ups who all want to get out of the WAC themselves to remain a conference.
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(09-12-2019 07:30 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 02:52 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  If NMSU really is partnering with GCU, they're blind to GCU's issues in the eyes of most universities. GCU is still for-profit in reality; nothing has changed there except some paperwork. They're still banking millions off of low-quality online programs and being bankrolled by a for-profit corporation.

If NMSU is going to partner with anyone, it needs to be Seattle U. or Denver depending on the conference they're approaching. Seattle is the highest quality institution in the WAC, and Denver is the highest in the Summit. Both in big markets, for what that's worth. Seattle might generate some interest in the Big West, WCC, or Big Sky; Denver might generate some interest in the Big Sky and Southland.

The MWC isn't going to expand. They tried with Gonzaga, but no one else makes sense monetarily for now. As we move down the road and TV deals change, that might change as well, but that's the way things are for now. Even if the MWC were to need a full-member, I don't think NMSU is necessarily first in line despite the geographic fit. They had previously flirted with North Texas at some point, and UTEP might be interested. Hard to say since the MWC has fallen some with the loss of Utah, BYU, and TCU. Maybe the Texas schools choose to stay in CUSA with the Texas orientation.

As to the Sun Belt, they've already had a chance to keep NMSU. They knew they were dropping below 12 when they kicked out NMSU and Idaho. They've also previously had Denver as a member, and there's no way they're going to expand all the way to Phoenix for GCU. Unless they lose a member because of a shift higher up the chain, I just don't see them taking NMSU. NMSU would probably be pretty high up the list at this point for them in that situation; there's not many FCS schools with value left. James Madison is really about the only one, and they've been focused on CUSA or higher. Assuming JMU will lower their target, I think they're in before NMSU, but after that, NMSU seems like the best candidate for the Belt. They certainly seem stronger than the other oft-mentioned FCS candidates like Jacksonville St. and Eastern Kentucky. But that's only if they actually need a member, not just because they decide to proactively expand.

NMSU is actually probably the best fit for the Summit right now. They've lost Purdue Fort Wayne (the old IPFW) to the Horizon, leaving only Western Illinois east of the Mississippi. It's a big league stretching from North Dakota to Denver and Tulsa, but NMSU would add value to the league on the Olympic side of things. That would at least stabilize that side for NMSU. Then they're simply left choosing between football independence and hoping for some shakeup while being able to play big dollar buy games or dropping down to FCS like Idaho.

The best overall option seems to be the rumored (but highly unlikely imo) CUSA-Sun Belt swap to get both conferences into the best geographic alignment to control travel. If the western conference ended up with an odd number of members, that's NMSU's chance. Hard to say without knowing which way a few schools would break (mostly thinking Southern Miss, who could go either direction probably).

Simply put:
CUSA East ===> SBC
SBC West ===> CUSA
UTA + UALR => CUSA
CUSA =====> SWC 2.0

If I'm following you on that, then something like:

SBC (Eastern-based conference) 14 teams:
SBC East: ODU, App State, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Marshall, FAU, FIU
SBC West: MTSU, WKU, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Troy, UAB, USA

CUSA (Western-based conference) 10+2 teams:
CUSA East: Southern Miss, Arkansas St., Louisiana Tech, ULL, ULM
CUSA West: UNT, UTSA, UTEP, Texas St., Rice
Non-FB: UALR, UTA

So that doesn't really open up a spot for NMSU. I'm somewhat skeptical that Southern Miss would agree to go to CUSA instead of the Sun Belt. I think they are more likely to identify with UAB, USA, Troy, and such over the Louisiana and Texas teams. Not sure how that would work, but if the SBC ended up at 16 (USM+JMU?), then that would give NMSU a slot.
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More Fantasyland posts from conference realignment honks with no rooting interest in NMSU or the WAC. Le sigh.
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(09-12-2019 08:20 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 05:37 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  I don't see how the Summit or Horizon make any more sense for NMSU than the WAC.

I don't think the Horizon makes a lick of sense. It's a Great Lakes based conference. But the Summit makes more sense simply because it's established, not at risk of losing its autobid, and not dependent on D-2 call-ups who all want to get out of the WAC themselves to remain a conference.

The WAC makes more sense than the other two because it is a western conference. The Summit is a Dakota league. The Summit League was originally established in 1982. The WAC was established in 1962. The WAC in 2020-2021 will have eight men's basketball schools, ten baseball schools and 11 men's soccer schools. The Summit in 2020-2021 will have nine men's basketball schools, five baseball schools and six men's soccer schools. NCAA rules require six schools to keep an automatic bid. They will get a waiver for two years, but eventually the Summit will need to add a D2 school.
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(09-12-2019 10:29 PM)gleadley Wrote:  More Fantasyland posts from conference realignment honks with no rooting interest in NMSU or the WAC. Le sigh.

Feel free to actually quote and debate the statements made. That said, I have an Idaho rooting interest, so I've followed their path and NMSU's (since they were in the same boat).
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(09-12-2019 08:20 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 05:37 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  I don't see how the Summit or Horizon make any more sense for NMSU than the WAC.

I don't think the Horizon makes a lick of sense. It's a Great Lakes based conference. But the Summit makes more sense simply because it's established, not at risk of losing its autobid, and not dependent on D-2 call-ups who all want to get out of the WAC themselves to remain a conference.

Actually the Summit is in danger of losing it's autobid, and likely will need a D2 callup to survive.
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(09-13-2019 01:18 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 10:29 PM)gleadley Wrote:  More Fantasyland posts from conference realignment honks with no rooting interest in NMSU or the WAC. Le sigh.

Feel free to actually quote and debate the statements made. That said, I have an Idaho rooting interest, so I've followed their path and NMSU's (since they were in the same boat).


My sympathies for your Idaho rooting interests.


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RE: New Conference for NMSU
(09-13-2019 02:01 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 08:20 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 05:37 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  I don't see how the Summit or Horizon make any more sense for NMSU than the WAC.

I don't think the Horizon makes a lick of sense. It's a Great Lakes based conference. But the Summit makes more sense simply because it's established, not at risk of losing its autobid, and not dependent on D-2 call-ups who all want to get out of the WAC themselves to remain a conference.

Actually the Summit is in danger of losing it's autobid, and likely will need a D2 callup to survive.

What's the situation there? Everyone in the conference is a full-counter to my knowledge.

(09-13-2019 02:07 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(09-13-2019 01:18 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 10:29 PM)gleadley Wrote:  More Fantasyland posts from conference realignment honks with no rooting interest in NMSU or the WAC. Le sigh.

Feel free to actually quote and debate the statements made. That said, I have an Idaho rooting interest, so I've followed their path and NMSU's (since they were in the same boat).


My sympathies for your Idaho rooting interests.


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Yeah, moving down sucks, but even as rough as independence is for NMSU, it was going to be even worse for the Vandals. Getting the rivalry game back with Montana plus MSU and EWU is worth something.
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(09-04-2019 12:23 PM)Johnny Crunch Wrote:  Uconn wont be replaced.

If Air Force made the move to AAC.
I think MWC looks to Texas with Rice, UTSA, UNT maybe UTEP and NDSU a long shot.
The MVC for all sports makes sense as they try to hold onto being an elite basketball conference.
I see football staying independent and doing fine.
One of two things will happen over time independents increase in numbers or a new conference.
Most say that is impossible but U Conn and Liberty have joined the independent ranks since NMSU was orphaned.
A Texas private YSU after their football stadium renovation.
NDSU if the fans get bored with FCS.
Idaho has a fractured fan base and can claim harm has been done by the drop down.
The ten team conference championship game rule screwed Idaho and NMSU.
First needing twelve killed WAC football if ten then USU, SJSU, Tex ST, UTSA all stay.
Then the need for twelve disappears and UI and NMSU are no longer needed.
BYU and Army are not realistic annual games.
U Conn , Liberty, U Mass are good annual games along with UTEP and UNM.
Get two to four more independents no conference is needed.
Get enough independents I could see them voting like a conference and getting increased revenue.
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RE: New Conference for NMSU
(09-12-2019 08:20 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 05:37 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  I don't see how the Summit or Horizon make any more sense for NMSU than the WAC.

I don't think the Horizon makes a lick of sense. It's a Great Lakes based conference. But the Summit makes more sense simply because it's established, not at risk of losing its autobid, and not dependent on D-2 call-ups who all want to get out of the WAC themselves to remain a conference.

The Horizon makes zero sense for NMSU. They need an all sports league. The Summit only makes sense if it adds FB at the FBS level, not likely unless NoDak's crazy theories come true.
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RE: New Conference for NMSU
(09-16-2019 02:36 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 08:20 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 05:37 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  I don't see how the Summit or Horizon make any more sense for NMSU than the WAC.

I don't think the Horizon makes a lick of sense. It's a Great Lakes based conference. But the Summit makes more sense simply because it's established, not at risk of losing its autobid, and not dependent on D-2 call-ups who all want to get out of the WAC themselves to remain a conference.

The Horizon makes zero sense for NMSU. They need an all sports league. The Summit only makes sense if it adds FB at the FBS level, not likely unless NoDak's crazy theories come true.

I see the Summit as an option for NMSU if the WAC unravels further. i.e. Chicago State drops out of D1 and maybe UTRGV decide to jump ship to the Southland in the not too distant future. It wouldn't give the WAC an FBS home but it would stabilize the rest of the NMSU programs.

If the WAC is going to survive, the WAC Commissioner needs to locate more D2 move ups within the west region to give the WAC a western identity once again; eliminating any reason for the majority of the WAC schools to leave the conference. I think Grand Canyon, Cal Baptist, and Dixie State were all good additions. All three will soon enough be better basketball programs than most of the Big West, Big Sky, and Summit. GCU is already there but CBU and DSU will be on the rise. As former D2 programs go, all three have solid fan bases and good basketball attendance entering the WAC.

Ideally, NMSU needs to be back in the Sun Belt as a full member; or longshots of getting into C-USA or the MWC. Who knows? With California trying to pass a "pay for play" law for its college programs, maybe the whole NCAA system will blow up and conferences will reorganize again.
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