I just went back and mapped out every single throw that White made. I included the throws that were nullified by the roughing the passer and the illegal procedure; which had no effect on the actual throw. To allow for anyone to check on my accuracy, I have included the down and distance, in addition to the number of yards from the line of scrimmage each pass traveled. The line indicates the end of each drive.

The results are eye opening to say the least

1st/10 (-3)
3rd/2 (-2)
------------
1st/10 (-2)
2nd/9 (0)
1st/10 (30), Coxie wide open, the ball was late and he caught it out of bounds, incomplete
2nd/10 (-2)
3rd/2 (-4)
------------
1st/15 (-1)
2nd/14 (-5)
3rd/17 (-2)
------------
3rd/2 (33) Receiver covered
------------
1st/10 (17) Pop wide open; ball underthrown, had to go to the ground to catch it, complete
1st/10 (-7)
2nd/19 Ball grounded out of bounds
4th/8 Ball thrown out of bounds
------------
1st/10 (-2)
2nd/8 (-6)
3rd/6 (8) incomplete
------------
1st/10 (33) Dykes wide open, overthrown; play nullified by illegal procedure penalty
2nd/10 (19) Jones open, ball late and underthrown
3rd/10 (15) Out of bounds, receiver covered
------------
No throws on our 35 yard TD drive
------------
1st/10 (19) Taylor wide open, complete
2nd/7 (18) Incomplete, ball was late and underthrown, but Coxie was well covered
1st/10 (2)
2nd/2 (-8) Interception
------------
1st/10 (0)
3rd/20 (-1)
------------
1st/10 (12) complete
3rd/11 (10) complete
4th/1 (-3)
2nd/8 (22) receiver wide open, complete
3rd/4 (3)

By Yardage Traveled
0> yards
16

1-5 yards
2

6-10 yards
2

11-15 yards
2

16-20 yards
4

21-25 yards
1

26< yards
3

Throw Away/Out Of Bounds
2

Many surprises at both ends.
- A full half of White's passes (16) never crossed the line of scrimmage; including many in long down and distance

- A full 1/3 of White's passes traveled more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. I thought it was less

- The biggest surprise; on most of the passes that traveled 10 yards or more, our receivers were wide open

- Another 2nd half shutout for the offense

- On our 2nd touchdown drive of 35 yards, all of the yards were on the ground


Throws Of 10+ Yards
30 Open, incomplete
17 Open, complete
19 Open, incomplete
33 Covered, incomplete
39 Open, incomplete (nullified by procedure penalty)
19 Open, complete
18 Covered, incomplete
12 Open, complete
10 Open, complete
22 Open, complete

So the narrative is often that our receivers can't get open, can't get separation; but again, if you look at all of the longer throws our receivers were almost always open and often wide open.

(09-01-2019 09:43 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I just went back and mapped out every single throw that White made. I included the throws that were nullified by the roughing the passer and the illegal procedure; which had no effect on the actual throw. To allow for anyone to check on my accuracy, I have included the down and distance, in addition to the number of yards from the line of scrimmage each pass traveled. The line indicates the end of each drive.

The results are eye opening to say the least

1st/10 (-3)
3rd/2 (-2)
------------
1st/10 (-2)
2nd/9 (0)
1st/10 (30), Coxie wide open, the ball was late and he caught it out of bounds, incomplete
2nd/10 (-2)
3rd/2 (-4)
------------
1st/15 (-1)
2nd/14 (-5)
3rd/17 (-2)
------------
3rd/2 (33) Receiver covered
------------
1st/10 (17) Pop wide open; ball underthrown, had to go to the ground to catch it, complete
1st/10 (-7)
2nd/19 Ball grounded out of bounds
4th/8 Ball thrown out of bounds
------------
1st/10 (-2)
2nd/8 (-6)
3rd/6 (8) incomplete
------------
1st/10 (33) Dykes wide open, overthrown; play nullified by illegal procedure penalty
2nd/10 (19) Jones open, ball late and underthrown
3rd/10 (15) Out of bounds, receiver covered
------------
No throws on our 35 yard TD drive
------------
1st/10 (19) Taylor wide open, complete
2nd/7 (18) Incomplete, ball was late and underthrown, but Coxie was well covered
1st/10 (2)
2nd/2 (-8) Interception
------------
1st/10 (0)
3rd/20 (-1)
------------
1st/10 (12) complete
3rd/11 (10) complete
4th/1 (-3)
2nd/8 (22) receiver wide open, complete
3rd/4 (3)

By Yardage Traveled
0> yards
16

1-5 yards
2

6-10 yards
2

11-15 yards
2

16-20 yards
4

21-25 yards
1

26< yards
3

Throw Away/Out Of Bounds
2

Many surprises at both ends.
- A full half of White's passes (16) never crossed the line of scrimmage; including many in long down and distance

- A full 1/3 of White's passes traveled more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. I thought it was less

- The biggest surprise; on most of the passes that traveled 10 yards or more, our receivers were wide open

- Another 2nd half shutout for the offense

- On our 2nd touchdown drive of 35 yards, all of the yards were on the ground


Throws Of 10+ Yards
30 Open, incomplete
17 Open, complete
19 Open, incomplete
33 Covered, incomplete
39 Open, incomplete (nullified by procedure penalty)
19 Open, complete
18 Covered, incomplete
12 Open, complete
10 Open, complete
22 Open, complete

So the narrative is often that our receivers can't get open, can't get separation; but again, if you look at all of the longer throws our receivers were almost always open and often wide open.

Good job. Now it’s time to get someone else some snaps ; before we lose another 6 games or our backup quarterback is an o-lineman !

(09-01-2019 09:43 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I just went back and mapped out every single throw that White made. I included the throws that were nullified by the roughing the passer and the illegal procedure; which had no effect on the actual throw. To allow for anyone to check on my accuracy, I have included the down and distance, in addition to the number of yards from the line of scrimmage each pass traveled. The line indicates the end of each drive.

The results are eye opening to say the least

1st/10 (-3)
3rd/2 (-2)
------------
1st/10 (-2)
2nd/9 (0)
1st/10 (30), Coxie wide open, the ball was late and he caught it out of bounds, incomplete
2nd/10 (-2)
3rd/2 (-4)
------------
1st/15 (-1)
2nd/14 (-5)
3rd/17 (-2)
------------
3rd/2 (33) Receiver covered
------------
1st/10 (17) Pop wide open; ball underthrown, had to go to the ground to catch it, complete
1st/10 (-7)
2nd/19 Ball grounded out of bounds
4th/8 Ball thrown out of bounds
------------
1st/10 (-2)
2nd/8 (-6)
3rd/6 (8) incomplete
------------
1st/10 (33) Dykes wide open, overthrown; play nullified by illegal procedure penalty
2nd/10 (19) Jones open, ball late and underthrown
3rd/10 (15) Out of bounds, receiver covered
------------
No throws on our 35 yard TD drive
------------
1st/10 (19) Taylor wide open, complete
2nd/7 (18) Incomplete, ball was late and underthrown, but Coxie was well covered
1st/10 (2)
2nd/2 (-8) Interception
------------
1st/10 (0)
3rd/20 (-1)
------------
1st/10 (12) complete
3rd/11 (10) complete
4th/1 (-3)
2nd/8 (22) receiver wide open, complete
3rd/4 (3)

By Yardage Traveled
0> yards
16

1-5 yards
2

6-10 yards
2

11-15 yards
2

16-20 yards
4

21-25 yards
1

26< yards
3

Throw Away/Out Of Bounds
2

Many surprises at both ends.
- A full half of White's passes (16) never crossed the line of scrimmage; including many in long down and distance

- A full 1/3 of White's passes traveled more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. I thought it was less

- The biggest surprise; on most of the passes that traveled 10 yards or more, our receivers were wide open

- Another 2nd half shutout for the offense

- On our 2nd touchdown drive of 35 yards, all of the yards were on the ground


Throws Of 10+ Yards
30 Open, incomplete
17 Open, complete
19 Open, incomplete
33 Covered, incomplete
39 Open, incomplete (nullified by procedure penalty)
19 Open, complete
18 Covered, incomplete
12 Open, complete
10 Open, complete
22 Open, complete

So the narrative is often that our receivers can't get open, can't get separation; but again, if you look at all of the longer throws our receivers were almost always open and often wide open.

Cool breakdown thanks for doing this

Terrible we cant beat houston navy or Cincinnati with these numbers.

(09-02-2019 06:00 AM)mrgajones1 Wrote:  Terrible we cant beat houston navy or Cincinnati with these numbers.

Probably it Tulane either

Watching in person, I felt like the pass to Dykes wasn’t overthrown as much as he (Dykes) slowed down part way through his route. I believe if he had kept running hard that ball would have been on his hands.

Agree though that he under-threw[/size] a lot of balls.

(09-02-2019 07:08 AM)JhanJo Wrote:  Watching in person, I felt like the pass to Dykes wasn’t overthrown as much as he (Dykes) slowed down part way through his route. I believe if he had kept running hard that ball would have been on his hands.

Agree though that he under-threw[/size] a lot of balls.

Agree with the Dykes throw. Everyone in my section was asking WTH Dykes? He definitely slowed down on the route, not sure why. That Pop Williams throw though, dang that was a TD had BW put something on it.

I will say that I saw a lot of poor throws this weekend on TV games.

OK ... Our next caller is from Canada .. Go ahead Stammers with your question for Coach Norvell.

None of those OM defensive backs made any of the three Coach's preseason SEC all conference teams. In fact, no OM players made the first three teams. Even lowly Arkanasas had 3 players named. Tennessee also had just 3 players named. Here is a link to the story. https://247sports.com/college/ole-miss/A...134483506/

(09-01-2019 09:43 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I just went back and mapped out every single throw that White made. I included the throws that were nullified by the roughing the passer and the illegal procedure; which had no effect on the actual throw. To allow for anyone to check on my accuracy, I have included the down and distance, in addition to the number of yards from the line of scrimmage each pass traveled. The line indicates the end of each drive.

The results are eye opening to say the least

1st/10 (-3)
3rd/2 (-2)
------------
1st/10 (-2)
2nd/9 (0)
1st/10 (30), Coxie wide open, the ball was late and he caught it out of bounds, incomplete
2nd/10 (-2)
3rd/2 (-4)
------------
1st/15 (-1)
2nd/14 (-5)
3rd/17 (-2)
------------
3rd/2 (33) Receiver covered
------------
1st/10 (17) Pop wide open; ball underthrown, had to go to the ground to catch it, complete
1st/10 (-7)
2nd/19 Ball grounded out of bounds
4th/8 Ball thrown out of bounds
------------
1st/10 (-2)
2nd/8 (-6)
3rd/6 (8) incomplete
------------
1st/10 (33) Dykes wide open, overthrown; play nullified by illegal procedure penalty
2nd/10 (19) Jones open, ball late and underthrown
3rd/10 (15) Out of bounds, receiver covered
------------
No throws on our 35 yard TD drive
------------
1st/10 (19) Taylor wide open, complete
2nd/7 (18) Incomplete, ball was late and underthrown, but Coxie was well covered
1st/10 (2)
2nd/2 (-8) Interception
------------
1st/10 (0)
3rd/20 (-1)
------------
1st/10 (12) complete
3rd/11 (10) complete
4th/1 (-3)
2nd/8 (22) receiver wide open, complete
3rd/4 (3)

By Yardage Traveled
0> yards
16

1-5 yards
2

6-10 yards
2

11-15 yards
2

16-20 yards
4

21-25 yards
1

26< yards
3

Throw Away/Out Of Bounds
2

Many surprises at both ends.
- A full half of White's passes (16) never crossed the line of scrimmage; including many in long down and distance

- A full 1/3 of White's passes traveled more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. I thought it was less

- The biggest surprise; on most of the passes that traveled 10 yards or more, our receivers were wide open

- Another 2nd half shutout for the offense

- On our 2nd touchdown drive of 35 yards, all of the yards were on the ground


Throws Of 10+ Yards
30 Open, incomplete
17 Open, complete
19 Open, incomplete
33 Covered, incomplete
39 Open, incomplete (nullified by procedure penalty)
19 Open, complete
18 Covered, incomplete
12 Open, complete
10 Open, complete
22 Open, complete

So the narrative is often that our receivers can't get open, can't get separation; but again, if you look at all of the longer throws our receivers were almost always open and often wide open.

Saloogi is going to spring a chub with this level of stat giving.

The thing that really caught my attention is how many plays were designed to start behind the line of scrimmage. Those type of plays have to be quick hitters and I'm not sure we have that type of personnel this season. Gainwell would be a great option for this type of play. Not sure why they call those plays unless they are concerned about White's arm. I had read that he had more snap in his throws but I did not see it. I like the guy and respect the coach but this does concern me.

(09-02-2019 07:55 AM)paramedicrntiger Wrote:  The thing that really caught my attention is how many plays were designed to start behind the line of scrimmage. Those type of plays have to be quick hitters and I'm not sure we have that type of personnel this season. Gainwell would be a great option for this type of play. Not sure why they call those plays unless they are concerned about White's arm. I had read that he had more snap in his throws but I did not see it. I like the guy and respect the coach but this does concern me.

I think those plays will work, if our receivers get serious about downfield blocking. Most receivers don’t want to do this.

You can't really fault Dykes. I'm sure he was just as amazed as we were that Brady actually had the arm strength to overthrow someone.

Most of us saw this, but thanks for compiling the stats.

Our QB and our play calling is suspect, still.

Thankfully BW and our calls were on target when it mattered most.

(09-02-2019 08:24 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  You can't really fault Dykes. I'm sure he was just as amazed as we were that Brady actually had the arm strength to overthrow anyone.

Exactly what I thought when I saw it happen.

Sometime in the off season someone commented that he couldn't wait for the season to start so some "fan" could start a replace Brady White thread the first time he throws an incomplete pass.

Coach Norvell gets his first SEC win against a solid Ole Miss defense, and many still complain. Used to be the same few, now they have picked up followers. shirley temple was the first to post after the numbers on this thread posted, asking for another QB to get snaps. And shirley temple was the first to post to the bumped ' Question for those down on White at QB' thread from April. TigerSeth starts the Connor Adair thread after the Ole Miss win, because he has learned so much from the 2 passes Connor has thrown in his 2+ years here.

And a lot of these numbers are misleading. E.g, the pass the QB has to make on these sideline screens that Coach Norvell runs a lot is not an easy throw. QB has to take the snap, quickly turn and throw firmly and accurately to the outside receiver. Many college QB's cannot make that throw. QB can't step into it, but also can't float it, has to turn, plant, and throw. Brady is very good at these 25 yard throws. But on this list, they would show up as a zero yard throw because they are completed behind the line of scrimmage.

He's not as good as Paxton, but when are we going to have another QB drafted in the 1st round? Or even drafted at all? Barring injury, Brady will be the starting QB for another 25 or so games. Going to get real old complaining about him on every missed throw.

nerd. we won.

So what's the point of this? Backup qb is everybody's favorite to get pt.

(09-01-2019 09:43 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I just went back and mapped out every single throw that White made. I included the throws that were nullified by the roughing the passer and the illegal procedure; which had no effect on the actual throw. To allow for anyone to check on my accuracy, I have included the down and distance, in addition to the number of yards from the line of scrimmage each pass traveled. The line indicates the end of each drive.

The results are eye opening to say the least

1st/10 (-3)
3rd/2 (-2)
------------
1st/10 (-2)
2nd/9 (0)
1st/10 (30), Coxie wide open, the ball was late and he caught it out of bounds, incomplete
2nd/10 (-2)
3rd/2 (-4)
------------
1st/15 (-1)
2nd/14 (-5)
3rd/17 (-2)
------------
3rd/2 (33) Receiver covered
------------
1st/10 (17) Pop wide open; ball underthrown, had to go to the ground to catch it, complete
1st/10 (-7)
2nd/19 Ball grounded out of bounds
4th/8 Ball thrown out of bounds
------------
1st/10 (-2)
2nd/8 (-6)
3rd/6 (8) incomplete
------------
1st/10 (33) Dykes wide open, overthrown; play nullified by illegal procedure penalty
2nd/10 (19) Jones open, ball late and underthrown
3rd/10 (15) Out of bounds, receiver covered
------------
No throws on our 35 yard TD drive
------------
1st/10 (19) Taylor wide open, complete
2nd/7 (18) Incomplete, ball was late and underthrown, but Coxie was well covered
1st/10 (2)
2nd/2 (-8) Interception
------------
1st/10 (0)
3rd/20 (-1)
------------
1st/10 (12) complete
3rd/11 (10) complete
4th/1 (-3)
2nd/8 (22) receiver wide open, complete
3rd/4 (3)

By Yardage Traveled
0> yards
16

1-5 yards
2

6-10 yards
2

11-15 yards
2

16-20 yards
4

21-25 yards
1

26< yards
3

Throw Away/Out Of Bounds
2

Many surprises at both ends.
- A full half of White's passes (16) never crossed the line of scrimmage; including many in long down and distance

- A full 1/3 of White's passes traveled more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. I thought it was less

- The biggest surprise; on most of the passes that traveled 10 yards or more, our receivers were wide open

- Another 2nd half shutout for the offense

- On our 2nd touchdown drive of 35 yards, all of the yards were on the ground


Throws Of 10+ Yards
30 Open, incomplete
17 Open, complete
19 Open, incomplete
33 Covered, incomplete
39 Open, incomplete (nullified by procedure penalty)
19 Open, complete
18 Covered, incomplete
12 Open, complete
10 Open, complete
22 Open, complete

So the narrative is often that our receivers can't get open, can't get separation; but again, if you look at all of the longer throws our receivers were almost always open and often wide open.

You kind of left out, pressured throws, outside of pocket, inside of the pocket, rolling right, rolling left. If you are going to do all that charting you should not leave out key details.

(09-01-2019 09:43 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I just went back and mapped out every single throw that White made. I included the throws that were nullified by the roughing the passer and the illegal procedure; which had no effect on the actual throw. To allow for anyone to check on my accuracy, I have included the down and distance, in addition to the number of yards from the line of scrimmage each pass traveled. The line indicates the end of each drive.

The results are eye opening to say the least

1st/10 (-3)
3rd/2 (-2)
------------
1st/10 (-2)
2nd/9 (0)
1st/10 (30), Coxie wide open, the ball was late and he caught it out of bounds, incomplete
2nd/10 (-2)
3rd/2 (-4)
------------
1st/15 (-1)
2nd/14 (-5)
3rd/17 (-2)
------------
3rd/2 (33) Receiver covered
------------
1st/10 (17) Pop wide open; ball underthrown, had to go to the ground to catch it, complete
1st/10 (-7)
2nd/19 Ball grounded out of bounds
4th/8 Ball thrown out of bounds
------------
1st/10 (-2)
2nd/8 (-6)
3rd/6 (8) incomplete
------------
1st/10 (33) Dykes wide open, overthrown; play nullified by illegal procedure penalty
2nd/10 (19) Jones open, ball late and underthrown
3rd/10 (15) Out of bounds, receiver covered
------------
No throws on our 35 yard TD drive
------------
1st/10 (19) Taylor wide open, complete
2nd/7 (18) Incomplete, ball was late and underthrown, but Coxie was well covered
1st/10 (2)
2nd/2 (-8) Interception
------------
1st/10 (0)
3rd/20 (-1)
------------
1st/10 (12) complete
3rd/11 (10) complete
4th/1 (-3)
2nd/8 (22) receiver wide open, complete
3rd/4 (3)

By Yardage Traveled
0> yards
16

1-5 yards
2

6-10 yards
2

11-15 yards
2

16-20 yards
4

21-25 yards
1

26< yards
3

Throw Away/Out Of Bounds
2

Many surprises at both ends.
- A full half of White's passes (16) never crossed the line of scrimmage; including many in long down and distance

- A full 1/3 of White's passes traveled more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. I thought it was less

- The biggest surprise; on most of the passes that traveled 10 yards or more, our receivers were wide open

- Another 2nd half shutout for the offense

- On our 2nd touchdown drive of 35 yards, all of the yards were on the ground


Throws Of 10+ Yards
30 Open, incomplete
17 Open, complete
19 Open, incomplete
33 Covered, incomplete
39 Open, incomplete (nullified by procedure penalty)
19 Open, complete
18 Covered, incomplete
12 Open, complete
10 Open, complete
22 Open, complete

So the narrative is often that our receivers can't get open, can't get separation; but again, if you look at all of the longer throws our receivers were almost always open and often wide open.

So says you by your interpretation of this tripe you posted.

So, bottom line, are you saying Brady White is the best we have or are you just going to be Stammers and ***** about something and offer no solution?

Should Norvell move Bryce Huff to QB because he can throw a ball 70yds. downfield??

What's your deal, man?