(09-07-2019 09:51 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Why are we hell bent on "proving" Brady isn't the deal. Especially when there is no alternative.

It is more a case of proving that our wide receivers, tight ends and offensive line are the real deal. We have posters that have trashed them incessantly.

(09-07-2019 02:43 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  The fourth quarter solidified my belief Adair needs more action! Better footwork, much quicker release! Completed ever pass; less the long one that hit receiver between his numbers. All this while getting no live game reps.

He did well. His reps were like going 7 on 7 in shells. Mostly a clean pocket to step into the throws.

(09-07-2019 09:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 07:03 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 09:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 01:14 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 12:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Amazing what the threat of actually being able to stretch the field can do. It stops the DBs from being able to cheat up and sell out on screen passes.

i dont think you understand how those plays work lol. They are literally planned when memphis has a 2 on 1 advantage on the outside... has nothing to do with the deep route.

It isn't complicated. If you have one player that can hit a baseball 400' to all fields and another that can only hit it 300' and only between the shortstop and the 2nd baseman, it is going to be exponentially more difficult for him to get a hit.

All things being equal, they are conceptually similar.

No. They aren't. You have an Elite level batter against an average batter.
Now taking it ONLY on hitting, then maybe they are the same. But, to use your ridiculous metaphor... baseball is more than just batting. Suppose you take that Elite level batter and he is a horrible fielder. His fielding percentage is below .500. Now, which is going to be a better fit for your team. An Elite level batter that might hit a HR every other game, might drive in a couple of runs, BUT will cost you a couple of runs every game as well with terrible defense. The average batter is a Golden Gloves fielder. Surrounded by a better team, are you wanting the defense or the offense.

See, what I don't understand is Stammers acts like Elite QBs grow on trees and have been a staple at Memphis. We lucked into Paxton and Riley was a bit of the same. Brady White will go down as a Top 5 QB in Memphis history.
The most important stat - through 15 regular season games and bowl games (I won't count the AAC Championship since Riley didn't make it his first year) Both QBs are 10-5. Brady has to go 11-3 to have the edge in two seasons of the most important stat and comparison there is... WINS!!!

I didn't need to read any of your post. I guess you don't know the meaning of all things being equal. Get back to me when you figure it out.

Get back to me when you do a throw by throw chart of the Southern Game.

All things AREN'T equal and YOU can't figure that out.

You probably shouldn't read any of my post, because I expose your fraud of an agenda. It's pathetic to be honest.

(09-07-2019 02:43 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  The fourth quarter solidified my belief Adair needs more action! Better footwork, much quicker release! Completed ever pass; less the long one that hit receiver between his numbers. All this while getting no live game reps.

He was 6/7 for 61 yards... That solidified your opinion? He threw one pass deep, the others were the same type throws Brady makes all the time. That's just sad.

(09-07-2019 02:43 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  The fourth quarter solidified my belief Adair needs more action! Better footwork, much quicker release! Completed ever pass; less the long one that hit receiver between his numbers. All this while getting no live game reps.

FFS. Adair looked good, but the Southern defense was so gassed by that point that multiple defensive players were simultaneously faking leg cramps to slow down the plays.

Its also a shame that some of you cant admit BW shut your mouths this week. It is VERY reminiscent of the "no noticeable improvement" and "hot garbage" threads of the past. Some of you, after being proven wrong, will simply double down. Its not a good look.

(09-08-2019 11:20 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 02:43 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  The fourth quarter solidified my belief Adair needs more action! Better footwork, much quicker release! Completed ever pass; less the long one that hit receiver between his numbers. All this while getting no live game reps.

FFS. Adair looked good, but the Southern defense was so gassed by that point that multiple defensive players were simultaneously faking leg cramps to slow down the plays.

Its also a shame that some of you cant admit BW shut your mouths this week. It is VERY reminiscent of the "no noticeable improvement" and "hot garbage" threads of the past. Some of you, after being proven wrong, will simply double down. Its not a good look.

Why do you guys think this is a good argument? We tossed the ball around against an inferior opponent. Shall we go ahead and inscribe Brady’s name on the Heisman?

There is plenty of evidence that he looks like a very average QB if you get him out of the pocket or if a little drizzle comes out of the sky.

I hope he definitively proves the naysayers wrong! I would love for that to be the case b/c that probably means we’re AAC Champs going to a NY6 Bowl. I’m not a believer yet, but I’d like to be converted. I just need more evidence. Fortunately he has the rest of the season, etc. to win us all over (or not).

(09-08-2019 10:27 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 09:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 07:03 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 09:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 01:14 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  i dont think you understand how those plays work lol. They are literally planned when memphis has a 2 on 1 advantage on the outside... has nothing to do with the deep route.

It isn't complicated. If you have one player that can hit a baseball 400' to all fields and another that can only hit it 300' and only between the shortstop and the 2nd baseman, it is going to be exponentially more difficult for him to get a hit.

All things being equal, they are conceptually similar.

No. They aren't. You have an Elite level batter against an average batter.
Now taking it ONLY on hitting, then maybe they are the same. But, to use your ridiculous metaphor... baseball is more than just batting. Suppose you take that Elite level batter and he is a horrible fielder. His fielding percentage is below .500. Now, which is going to be a better fit for your team. An Elite level batter that might hit a HR every other game, might drive in a couple of runs, BUT will cost you a couple of runs every game as well with terrible defense. The average batter is a Golden Gloves fielder. Surrounded by a better team, are you wanting the defense or the offense.

See, what I don't understand is Stammers acts like Elite QBs grow on trees and have been a staple at Memphis. We lucked into Paxton and Riley was a bit of the same. Brady White will go down as a Top 5 QB in Memphis history.
The most important stat - through 15 regular season games and bowl games (I won't count the AAC Championship since Riley didn't make it his first year) Both QBs are 10-5. Brady has to go 11-3 to have the edge in two seasons of the most important stat and comparison there is... WINS!!!

I didn't need to read any of your post. I guess you don't know the meaning of all things being equal. Get back to me when you figure it out.

Get back to me when you do a throw by throw chart of the Southern Game.

All things AREN'T equal and YOU can't figure that out.

You probably shouldn't read any of my post, because I expose your fraud of an agenda. It's pathetic to be honest.

You are confused as usual. You still don't understand that all things being equal is conceptual, so it applies to my example, and so far it applies to White.

You are obviously confused about everything. Part of the problem is how badly he performs against good versus bad competition. If anything, the first 2 games illustrate that perfectly. Last year he threw for 5 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in our losses, 21 and 4 in our wins. This year 0 and 1 and 2 and 0. It is what it is.

Hopefully, he can turn things around.

(09-08-2019 12:05 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 11:20 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 02:43 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  The fourth quarter solidified my belief Adair needs more action! Better footwork, much quicker release! Completed ever pass; less the long one that hit receiver between his numbers. All this while getting no live game reps.

FFS. Adair looked good, but the Southern defense was so gassed by that point that multiple defensive players were simultaneously faking leg cramps to slow down the plays.

Its also a shame that some of you cant admit BW shut your mouths this week. It is VERY reminiscent of the "no noticeable improvement" and "hot garbage" threads of the past. Some of you, after being proven wrong, will simply double down. Its not a good look.

Why do you guys think this is a good argument? We tossed the ball around against an inferior opponent. Shall we go ahead and inscribe Brady’s name on the Heisman?

There is plenty of evidence that he looks like a very average QB if you get him out of the pocket or if a little drizzle comes out of the sky.

I hope he definitively proves the naysayers wrong! I would love for that to be the case b/c that probably means we’re AAC Champs going to a NY6 Bowl. I’m not a believer yet, but I’d like to be converted. I just need more evidence. Fortunately he has the rest of the season, etc. to win us all over (or not).

Because, if you analyzed both games correctly, it isnt Brady's ARM that should have been questioned. The guy didnt just sprout an arm that could throw long and on target in a week. 4 different receivers had receptions over 45 yards from BW yesterday.

The REAL issues in game one were:

1. Procedure penalties that stopped the game (meaning there was no ability to run tempo offense) AND caused the offense to have to gain an extra 5, 10, or 15 yards per series. (Which ended up stalling out some of the drives)

2. Lack of protection.(Meaning Brady, whether Brady White or Tom Brady, had time to even set their feet for a throw) And some of this was simply caused by number 1. Its easy to keep up defensive pressure when you can substitute every other down and have another 10-20 seconds between plays to get set.

We likely faced the toughest defense we will see all year in game one. Many teams played cupcakes in game one. But the teams that did see a tough defense in game one of this year kind of looked like our offense in game one. And we would have looked much better had we not had the incredibly high number of penalties.

(09-08-2019 10:30 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 02:43 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  The fourth quarter solidified my belief Adair needs more action! Better footwork, much quicker release! Completed ever pass; less the long one that hit receiver between his numbers. All this while getting no live game reps.

He was 6/7 for 61 yards... That solidified your opinion? He threw one pass deep, the others were the same type throws Brady makes all the time. That's just sad.

In fairness to Adair it should have been 7 for 7 and each pass was on the money.

Memphis fans have been spoiled by Paxton Lynch and Riley Ferguson...Brady is a good QB for what Norvell is trying to do and Adair is a solid back-up IMHO. We're lucky.

(09-08-2019 01:48 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Memphis fans have been spoiled by Paxton Lynch and Riley Ferguson...Brady is a good QB for what Norvell is trying to do and Adair is a solid back-up IMHO. We're lucky.

I agree that we have been spoiled and there is no shame in White being an average D1 quarterback. This issue I have is with posters who say he is great while blasting our receivers and offensive line.

(09-08-2019 01:15 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 12:05 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 11:20 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 02:43 PM)shirley temple Wrote:  The fourth quarter solidified my belief Adair needs more action! Better footwork, much quicker release! Completed ever pass; less the long one that hit receiver between his numbers. All this while getting no live game reps.

FFS. Adair looked good, but the Southern defense was so gassed by that point that multiple defensive players were simultaneously faking leg cramps to slow down the plays.

Its also a shame that some of you cant admit BW shut your mouths this week. It is VERY reminiscent of the "no noticeable improvement" and "hot garbage" threads of the past. Some of you, after being proven wrong, will simply double down. Its not a good look.

Why do you guys think this is a good argument? We tossed the ball around against an inferior opponent. Shall we go ahead and inscribe Brady’s name on the Heisman?

There is plenty of evidence that he looks like a very average QB if you get him out of the pocket or if a little drizzle comes out of the sky.

I hope he definitively proves the naysayers wrong! I would love for that to be the case b/c that probably means we’re AAC Champs going to a NY6 Bowl. I’m not a believer yet, but I’d like to be converted. I just need more evidence. Fortunately he has the rest of the season, etc. to win us all over (or not).

Because, if you analyzed both games correctly, it isnt Brady's ARM that should have been questioned. The guy didnt just sprout an arm that could throw long and on target in a week. 4 different receivers had receptions over 45 yards from BW yesterday.

The REAL issues in game one were:

1. Procedure penalties that stopped the game (meaning there was no ability to run tempo offense) AND caused the offense to have to gain an extra 5, 10, or 15 yards per series. (Which ended up stalling out some of the drives)

2. Lack of protection.(Meaning Brady, whether Brady White or Tom Brady, had time to even set their feet for a throw) And some of this was simply caused by number 1. Its easy to keep up defensive pressure when you can substitute every other down and have another 10-20 seconds between plays to get set.

We likely faced the toughest defense we will see all year in game one. Many teams played cupcakes in game one. But the teams that did see a tough defense in game one of this year kind of looked like our offense in game one. And we would have looked much better had we not had the incredibly high number of penalties.

These were issues for sure, but his arm strength gets questioned b/c he short hops throws pretty regularly. That and he gets a lot of air under his deep ball. Not sure what needs to be questioned more, arm strength or accuracy. He's had issue with both, but I hope he improves.

Not all of the issues are 100% his fault, but he has to roll with the hand he's dealt. He's not going to have a perfectly clean pocket every game with sunny skies.

(09-08-2019 02:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 01:48 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Memphis fans have been spoiled by Paxton Lynch and Riley Ferguson...Brady is a good QB for what Norvell is trying to do and Adair is a solid back-up IMHO. We're lucky.

I agree that we have been spoiled and there is no shame in White being an average D1 quarterback. This issue I have is with posters who say he is great while blasting our receivers and offensive line.

There you go again, doubling down. Average D1 QB, huh?

Remind me again who all of those offensive penalties in game 1 were on? Maybe do a "every offensive penalty in game 1" analysis thread.

(09-08-2019 02:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 02:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 01:48 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Memphis fans have been spoiled by Paxton Lynch and Riley Ferguson...Brady is a good QB for what Norvell is trying to do and Adair is a solid back-up IMHO. We're lucky.

I agree that we have been spoiled and there is no shame in White being an average D1 quarterback. This issue I have is with posters who say he is great while blasting our receivers and offensive line.

There you go again, doubling down. Average D1 QB, huh?

Remind me again who all of those offensive penalties in game 1 were on? Maybe do a "every offensive penalty in game 1" analysis thread.

One touchdown drive kept alive by 2 major penalties on 3rd down. The other 35 yard touchdown drive with no passes thrown. Another 2nd half shutout. Saved from a horrible loss by our defense. Multiple bad throws when he did throw more than 10 yards.


Describing that as average is as kind as it gets. But he did have a great game (as usual) against an overmatched opponent.

(09-08-2019 12:08 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 10:27 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 09:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 07:03 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 09:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  It isn't complicated. If you have one player that can hit a baseball 400' to all fields and another that can only hit it 300' and only between the shortstop and the 2nd baseman, it is going to be exponentially more difficult for him to get a hit.

All things being equal, they are conceptually similar.

No. They aren't. You have an Elite level batter against an average batter.
Now taking it ONLY on hitting, then maybe they are the same. But, to use your ridiculous metaphor... baseball is more than just batting. Suppose you take that Elite level batter and he is a horrible fielder. His fielding percentage is below .500. Now, which is going to be a better fit for your team. An Elite level batter that might hit a HR every other game, might drive in a couple of runs, BUT will cost you a couple of runs every game as well with terrible defense. The average batter is a Golden Gloves fielder. Surrounded by a better team, are you wanting the defense or the offense.

See, what I don't understand is Stammers acts like Elite QBs grow on trees and have been a staple at Memphis. We lucked into Paxton and Riley was a bit of the same. Brady White will go down as a Top 5 QB in Memphis history.
The most important stat - through 15 regular season games and bowl games (I won't count the AAC Championship since Riley didn't make it his first year) Both QBs are 10-5. Brady has to go 11-3 to have the edge in two seasons of the most important stat and comparison there is... WINS!!!

I didn't need to read any of your post. I guess you don't know the meaning of all things being equal. Get back to me when you figure it out.

Get back to me when you do a throw by throw chart of the Southern Game.

All things AREN'T equal and YOU can't figure that out.

You probably shouldn't read any of my post, because I expose your fraud of an agenda. It's pathetic to be honest.

You are confused as usual. You still don't understand that all things being equal is conceptual, so it applies to my example, and so far it applies to White.

You are obviously confused about everything. Part of the problem is how badly he performs against good versus bad competition. If anything, the first 2 games illustrate that perfectly. Last year he threw for 5 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in our losses, 21 and 4 in our wins. This year 0 and 2 and 2 and 0. It is what it is.

Hopefully, he can turn things around.

GIVE IT A REST ALREADY.

He made you eat your words. Your entire OP was about his lack, of arm strength and how he could not throw the deep ball. He did it this gamer and did it accurately. So quit heeing and hawing and trying to spin things.

You SPECIFICALLY went out of your way to chart exactly how far the ball traveled in the air. The opposing team does not change arm strength.

(09-08-2019 03:29 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 12:08 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 10:27 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 09:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 07:03 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  No. They aren't. You have an Elite level batter against an average batter.
Now taking it ONLY on hitting, then maybe they are the same. But, to use your ridiculous metaphor... baseball is more than just batting. Suppose you take that Elite level batter and he is a horrible fielder. His fielding percentage is below .500. Now, which is going to be a better fit for your team. An Elite level batter that might hit a HR every other game, might drive in a couple of runs, BUT will cost you a couple of runs every game as well with terrible defense. The average batter is a Golden Gloves fielder. Surrounded by a better team, are you wanting the defense or the offense.

See, what I don't understand is Stammers acts like Elite QBs grow on trees and have been a staple at Memphis. We lucked into Paxton and Riley was a bit of the same. Brady White will go down as a Top 5 QB in Memphis history.
The most important stat - through 15 regular season games and bowl games (I won't count the AAC Championship since Riley didn't make it his first year) Both QBs are 10-5. Brady has to go 11-3 to have the edge in two seasons of the most important stat and comparison there is... WINS!!!

I didn't need to read any of your post. I guess you don't know the meaning of all things being equal. Get back to me when you figure it out.

Get back to me when you do a throw by throw chart of the Southern Game.

All things AREN'T equal and YOU can't figure that out.

You probably shouldn't read any of my post, because I expose your fraud of an agenda. It's pathetic to be honest.

You are confused as usual. You still don't understand that all things being equal is conceptual, so it applies to my example, and so far it applies to White.

You are obviously confused about everything. Part of the problem is how badly he performs against good versus bad competition. If anything, the first 2 games illustrate that perfectly. Last year he threw for 5 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in our losses, 21 and 4 in our wins. This year 0 and 2 and 2 and 0. It is what it is.

Hopefully, he can turn things around.

GIVE IT A REST ALREADY.

He made you eat your words. Your entire OP was about his lack, of arm strength and how he could not throw the deep ball. He did it this gamer and did it accurately. So quit heeing and hawing and trying to spin things.

You SPECIFICALLY went out of your way to chart exactly how far the ball traveled in the air. The opposing team does not change arm strength.

You can't read, and the last two games continue the trend from every game he has played. I can't help you, you are as dumb as dumb gets.

Brady jumps up the QB rankings to # 33 (from 70 something) with a 168 rating over 2 games.

Quote:RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT
31 Zac Thomas, QB APP 30 44 68.2 332 7.5 73 5 0 3 169.1
32 Nate Stanley, QB IOWA 37 58 63.8 488 8.4 58 6 0 2 168.6
33 Brady White, QB MEM 40 52 76.9 509 9.8 65 2 1 3 168.0
34 Sam Ehlinger, QB TEX 59 85 69.4 677 8.0 55 8 0 6 167.4
35 Kaleb Barker, QB TROY 18 29 62.1 282 9.7 61 2 0 2 166.5
36 Josh Jackson, QB MD 36 62 58.1 541 8.7 49 7 1 1 165.4
37 James Blackman, QB FSU 53 73 72.6 609 8.3 75 6 2 6 164.3
38 Elijah Sindelar, QB PUR 68 104 65.4 932 9.0 70 9 3 1 163.5
39 Tyler Huntley, QB UTAH 27 35 77.1 320 9.1 38 1 0 0 163.4
40 Chris Reynolds, QB CHAR 34 51 66.7 432 8.5 36 5 2 4 162.3

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sta...backRating

Here’s what’s true:

Some teams, notably Ole Miss this year, and UCF and Wake Forest at the end of last year, stacked the box and dared us to beat them over the top and we couldn’t do it.

(09-08-2019 06:57 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  Here’s what’s true:

Some teams, notably Ole Miss this year, and UCF and Wake Forest at the end of last year, stacked the box and dared us to beat them over the top and we couldn’t do it.

I dont recall Ole Miss stacking the box on us. I've gone back and reviewed thru the first quarter, and havent seen one instance of it yet.

And they didnt need to. On the play where they got the roughing the passer call, they only had 4 in the box. And one of them ran through untouched. Its at the 15:20 mark in the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNeE3H62Mdg

(09-08-2019 06:57 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  Here’s what’s true:

Some teams, notably Ole Miss this year, and UCF and Wake Forest at the end of last year, stacked the box and dared us to beat them over the top and we couldn’t do it.

No, it's UCF and WF played extremely tight bump and run coverage. Against that, our WRs look very bad. Partially, in their defense, they didn't practice against it, because our defense never runs it. Second, they were VERY young.