They are already in a P6 conference. They have arrived.

(09-21-2019 06:35 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  They are already in a P6 conference. They have arrived.

(09-21-2019 07:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  [quote='Ohio Poly' pid='16312943' dateline='1569065729']
They are already in a P6 conference. They have arrived.

Try telling that to the TV people.The $$ gap between P5 and mid majors keeps growing.

(09-21-2019 05:30 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:35 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:16 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the most they could do is mandate that all state supported D1-A schools have to be in the same conference (and then threaten funding if they are not)

that is HIGHLY unrealistic to ever happen and there would definitely be challenges in court, but I don't think there is anything the courts could really do to stop it

of course the problem with that is you only get 6 teams and you have to then define what "better" is.....would Florida, Free Shoes, FAU, FIU, USF and UCF be better than what USF and UCF are in now.......possibly at first, but definitely not for long when all the recruiting for all those programs goes to hell

along with that they still need to find two more teams to meet the NCAA mandate of 8 and while they could easily get some CUSA members or possibly some AAC members to join up from there you have to ask yet again is that better than the current AAC....and even if it was thought to be at first long term it would be a disaster

there is nothing that is going to be done legislatively by the states or feds to force conference membership things just do not work like that......states do not control conferences with members spread throughout various states and there is nothing against the law about freedom of association and people that talk about "cartels" or "anti-trust" clearly have no idea what means or how that works

How.does.that.force.a.conference.to.invite.them.

??!!!!!!??????

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well the question was not could the legislature force a conference to admit USF and UCF

this is the question that was ask "Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?"

and the answer is the only thing the Florida legislature could do is try and create a "better" conference by forcing all 6 D1-A public schools into Florida into the same (new) conference

then the debate is "is that conference better" and would they find two other schools from outside of Florida to join

and that is debatable especially on the first part

but the question did not ask about forcing a conference to admit USF and UCF

No, they couldn't do that either...

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while it would be the dumbest thing in the history of college sports to do what would keep them from doing it if they wanted to

there is nothing that prevents a new conference from being formed if you can get 8 teams together and follow the other mandates

and I don't think there would be anything that would stop the state legislature from mandating what state universities do.......even if it would be incredibly stupid

(09-21-2019 05:37 AM)whittx Wrote:  Would this conference allow for FAMU to make another run at FBS status and provide a home for the job-football D1 pubkics?

well if the goal was to get USF and UCF in a "better conference" (already debatable with the all Florida plus 2 line up) then the answer would be no they would not do that because FAMU would drag it way down

if the goal was to get as many Florida schools as possible into one conference (and pretend it was a good idea or a better conference) then again I know of nothing that would be able to stop the legislature from mandating that FAMU move up to D1-A and then they also be tossed into that conference

David State can probably suggest an 8th Florida public school to add as well, but there again that would make an already questionable "better conference" claim pretty much unquestionably "not better"

again this is a completely stupid idea, but the whole question to start the thread is dumb and the Florida legislature can only control things in Florida so if they were going to try something their options are mandate things to Florida public universities and that is about it (no matter how dumb of an idea and how big of a disaster it would be especially long term)

LOL, no. The Legislature is dominated by Gators and tolerates FSU. They're more likely to eliminate athletics at UCF and USF than they are to twist the arms of UF or FSU to help us.

(09-21-2019 11:32 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(09-21-2019 05:30 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:35 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:16 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the most they could do is mandate that all state supported D1-A schools have to be in the same conference (and then threaten funding if they are not)

that is HIGHLY unrealistic to ever happen and there would definitely be challenges in court, but I don't think there is anything the courts could really do to stop it

of course the problem with that is you only get 6 teams and you have to then define what "better" is.....would Florida, Free Shoes, FAU, FIU, USF and UCF be better than what USF and UCF are in now.......possibly at first, but definitely not for long when all the recruiting for all those programs goes to hell

along with that they still need to find two more teams to meet the NCAA mandate of 8 and while they could easily get some CUSA members or possibly some AAC members to join up from there you have to ask yet again is that better than the current AAC....and even if it was thought to be at first long term it would be a disaster

there is nothing that is going to be done legislatively by the states or feds to force conference membership things just do not work like that......states do not control conferences with members spread throughout various states and there is nothing against the law about freedom of association and people that talk about "cartels" or "anti-trust" clearly have no idea what means or how that works

How.does.that.force.a.conference.to.invite.them.

??!!!!!!??????

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well the question was not could the legislature force a conference to admit USF and UCF

this is the question that was ask "Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?"

and the answer is the only thing the Florida legislature could do is try and create a "better" conference by forcing all 6 D1-A public schools into Florida into the same (new) conference

then the debate is "is that conference better" and would they find two other schools from outside of Florida to join

and that is debatable especially on the first part

but the question did not ask about forcing a conference to admit USF and UCF

No, they couldn't do that either...

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while it would be the dumbest thing in the history of college sports to do what would keep them from doing it if they wanted to

there is nothing that prevents a new conference from being formed if you can get 8 teams together and follow the other mandates

and I don't think there would be anything that would stop the state legislature from mandating what state universities do.......even if it would be incredibly stupid

(09-21-2019 05:37 AM)whittx Wrote:  Would this conference allow for FAMU to make another run at FBS status and provide a home for the job-football D1 pubkics?

well if the goal was to get USF and UCF in a "better conference" (already debatable with the all Florida plus 2 line up) then the answer would be no they would not do that because FAMU would drag it way down

if the goal was to get as many Florida schools as possible into one conference (and pretend it was a good idea or a better conference) then again I know of nothing that would be able to stop the legislature from mandating that FAMU move up to D1-A and then they also be tossed into that conference

David State can probably suggest an 8th Florida public school to add as well, but there again that would make an already questionable "better conference" claim pretty much unquestionably "not better"

again this is a completely stupid idea, but the whole question to start the thread is dumb and the Florida legislature can only control things in Florida so if they were going to try something their options are mandate things to Florida public universities and that is about it (no matter how dumb of an idea and how big of a disaster it would be especially long term)

What keeps any new FBS conference from being formed tomorrow? SMH

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(09-21-2019 11:47 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-21-2019 11:32 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(09-21-2019 05:30 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:35 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:27 PM)panama Wrote:  How.does.that.force.a.conference.to.invite.them.

??!!!!!!??????

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well the question was not could the legislature force a conference to admit USF and UCF

this is the question that was ask "Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?"

and the answer is the only thing the Florida legislature could do is try and create a "better" conference by forcing all 6 D1-A public schools into Florida into the same (new) conference

then the debate is "is that conference better" and would they find two other schools from outside of Florida to join

and that is debatable especially on the first part

but the question did not ask about forcing a conference to admit USF and UCF

No, they couldn't do that either...

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while it would be the dumbest thing in the history of college sports to do what would keep them from doing it if they wanted to

there is nothing that prevents a new conference from being formed if you can get 8 teams together and follow the other mandates

and I don't think there would be anything that would stop the state legislature from mandating what state universities do.......even if it would be incredibly stupid

(09-21-2019 05:37 AM)whittx Wrote:  Would this conference allow for FAMU to make another run at FBS status and provide a home for the job-football D1 pubkics?

well if the goal was to get USF and UCF in a "better conference" (already debatable with the all Florida plus 2 line up) then the answer would be no they would not do that because FAMU would drag it way down

if the goal was to get as many Florida schools as possible into one conference (and pretend it was a good idea or a better conference) then again I know of nothing that would be able to stop the legislature from mandating that FAMU move up to D1-A and then they also be tossed into that conference

David State can probably suggest an 8th Florida public school to add as well, but there again that would make an already questionable "better conference" claim pretty much unquestionably "not better"

again this is a completely stupid idea, but the whole question to start the thread is dumb and the Florida legislature can only control things in Florida so if they were going to try something their options are mandate things to Florida public universities and that is about it (no matter how dumb of an idea and how big of a disaster it would be especially long term)

What keeps any new FBS conference from being formed tomorrow? SMH

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It would definitely be foolish. That being said, FAMU has a history of foolishness and you would need an eighth team of Miami didn't join. If we went full stupid, you would add UNF and FGCU as non-football members. No DavidSt silliness needed.

(09-20-2019 10:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  ACC could trade Miami Flo with USF and Big 12 can trade Baylor for UCF. Both Baylor and Miami been given their conferences black eyes with the illegal acts done by their players, coaches, boasters, ADs and the school leaders overall.

I was actually thinking Tampa. I mean they were D1 before right?

Or even Jacksonville. Had some great basketball seasons and a cool mascot. What more could you ask?

(09-21-2019 11:47 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-21-2019 11:32 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(09-21-2019 05:30 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:35 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(09-20-2019 11:27 PM)panama Wrote:  How.does.that.force.a.conference.to.invite.them.

??!!!!!!??????

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well the question was not could the legislature force a conference to admit USF and UCF

this is the question that was ask "Could/would the FL legislature do anything to get UCF and USF in a better conference?"

and the answer is the only thing the Florida legislature could do is try and create a "better" conference by forcing all 6 D1-A public schools into Florida into the same (new) conference

then the debate is "is that conference better" and would they find two other schools from outside of Florida to join

and that is debatable especially on the first part

but the question did not ask about forcing a conference to admit USF and UCF

No, they couldn't do that either...

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while it would be the dumbest thing in the history of college sports to do what would keep them from doing it if they wanted to

there is nothing that prevents a new conference from being formed if you can get 8 teams together and follow the other mandates

and I don't think there would be anything that would stop the state legislature from mandating what state universities do.......even if it would be incredibly stupid

(09-21-2019 05:37 AM)whittx Wrote:  Would this conference allow for FAMU to make another run at FBS status and provide a home for the job-football D1 pubkics?

well if the goal was to get USF and UCF in a "better conference" (already debatable with the all Florida plus 2 line up) then the answer would be no they would not do that because FAMU would drag it way down

if the goal was to get as many Florida schools as possible into one conference (and pretend it was a good idea or a better conference) then again I know of nothing that would be able to stop the legislature from mandating that FAMU move up to D1-A and then they also be tossed into that conference

David State can probably suggest an 8th Florida public school to add as well, but there again that would make an already questionable "better conference" claim pretty much unquestionably "not better"

again this is a completely stupid idea, but the whole question to start the thread is dumb and the Florida legislature can only control things in Florida so if they were going to try something their options are mandate things to Florida public universities and that is about it (no matter how dumb of an idea and how big of a disaster it would be especially long term)

What keeps any new FBS conference from being formed tomorrow? SMH

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if 8 teams get together and decide they want to leave their current conference and form a new one then nothing at all prevents that

what makes that a bad idea is that the NCAA does not automatically grant spots in any NCAA championships to new conferences

also a new conference would probably not immediately share in any of the G5 (or definitely P5) cut of the football playoff money

they would also need to line up a TV contract

but the reality is there is nothing at all that prevents a new conference from being formed if 8 teams get together and decide to do so

and again my answer is to a very dumb question to start and I am not claiming it is a good idea or something that the legislature would ever remotely consider

but it is about the only thing the legislature COULD do to try and get USF and UCF into a "better conference" and again I think there would be a question in the short term and definitely in the long term if that would be a better conference

but there is nothing in the NCAA rules that would prevent it even if there are things in the NCAA rules (and other things) that make it a very bad idea

There is football on.

I'm out

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Fla does donate a lot of money to (at least 8 )bowl games