(08-30-2019 08:55 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: (08-30-2019 08:49 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: (08-30-2019 08:47 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: (08-30-2019 08:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: Climate change is real, but it is not the main problem, ultimately. Unchecked population growth is. Nobody is doing anything it and nobody wants to.
Spending all this effort on climate change, 'nee global warming, is like spreading weed killer in the yard while termites are eating the house.
Is it really true that no one is doing anything about unchecked population growth?
We see developed countries that have a below-replacement level birthrate (see Germany and most of Europe) and there are efforts to combat poverty and educate women in underdeveloped countries, both of which generally significantly lower birthrates.
Oh, good, problem solved.
You say we aren't doing anything.
I ask you if that is true, and point out some signs that indicate some countries have below replacement level birthrates and there are groups focused on helping developing countries (where birthrates are higher) in ways that decrease birth rates.
You respond with sarcasm.
So, again, are we really not doing something as you posit?
Who is doing those things and why? Is germany on a campaign to limit population growth, like China One child policy, or is it just happening?
Are the campaigns in the underdeveloped countries designed to limit population growth, or is that (if it is happening) just a side effect?
Point me to a campaign that has as its primary target population control.
The world's population continues to grow, but the means of feeding and taking care of them do not keep up. Maybe if Greenland thaws we will have millions of acres of arable land. But if we successfully keep it under ice, maybe not.
The climate people have outlined a problem, that even if solved, will just make the car more comfortable as it hurtles over the cliff.
It's not that it is not a problem, it is that it is not THE problem.
And in any case, there is no workable program to return the climate to the way it was in 1735, or whatever the target is. Because, among other things, the population of the world is not what it was in 1735, or 897, or 10,000 BC, or whatever the target is.
I am leaving the house in a few minutes, and will not return probably until late. Maybe we can continue this later tonight or tomorrow.
Go Owls!