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(09-06-2019 03:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:00 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I wonder if you get as upset with a new house going up next door?

And, as has been noted, what you see are drilling rigs; 3-4 weeks tops of activity. Not years.

3-4 weeks of a high derrick, and large construction activity vs 40 weeks of framing, interiors, finish out, and exterior work is probably about equal.

Not only that, but based on the photos, the derricks are most likely part of a pooling --- most pooling done with residential tracts has a partial interest going back to the commons or HOA. They have probably eliminated 80 per cent of the HOA load with that 3-4 weeks.

Not a bad trade off imo. Not only that but the resale values of the houses then goes up because of that subsidy.

I think when you buy a home in a neighborhood, you can expect other homes to be built nearby. I don't see why one would expect an oil and gas operation to be built nearby...

Again, a zoning issue (even though you don't see it as one, for some reason).

Anyways, not worth arguing over this topic anymore. I've proven my point that, in Colorado, O&G exploration and production happens inside neighborhoods. I think that sucks for homeowners who don't want to live in a neighborhood where that happens and they have no say in it.

I find if interesting that you excoriate one intrusive and noisy economic activity, and give an absolute and complete pass to another.

My neighbor can build a brand new house on his land and I have no say in it. i should feel aggrieved, I guess.

The difference between drilling activity and building a house is...... what?

By the way you do know how they can amazingly hide the long term well head activity, both visually and auditory? Can we agree that for the long term there is no impact (that is, beyond the initial 3-4 weeks that apparently no one should be expected to endure...... the horrors.....)

No offense, but you are seemingly fixated on the proverbial distinction without a difference here.
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(09-06-2019 03:46 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:00 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I wonder if you get as upset with a new house going up next door?

And, as has been noted, what you see are drilling rigs; 3-4 weeks tops of activity. Not years.

3-4 weeks of a high derrick, and large construction activity vs 40 weeks of framing, interiors, finish out, and exterior work is probably about equal.

Not only that, but based on the photos, the derricks are most likely part of a pooling --- most pooling done with residential tracts has a partial interest going back to the commons or HOA. They have probably eliminated 80 per cent of the HOA load with that 3-4 weeks.

Not a bad trade off imo. Not only that but the resale values of the houses then goes up because of that subsidy.

I think when you buy a home in a neighborhood, you can expect other homes to be built nearby. I don't see why one would expect an oil and gas operation to be built nearby...

Again, a zoning issue (even though you don't see it as one, for some reason).

Anyways, not worth arguing over this topic anymore. I've proven my point that, in Colorado, O&G exploration and production happens inside neighborhoods. I think that sucks for homeowners who don't want to live in a neighborhood where that happens and they have no say in it.

I find if interesting that you excoriate one intrusive and noisy economic activity, and give an absolute and complete pass to another.

My neighbor can build a brand new house on his land and I have no say in it. i should feel aggrieved, I guess.

The difference between drilling activity and building a house is...... what?

By the way you do know how they can amazingly hide the long term well head activity, both visually and auditory? Can we agree that for the long term there is no impact (that is, beyond the initial 3-4 weeks that apparently no one should be expected to endure...... the horrors.....)

No offense, but you are seemingly fixated on the proverbial distinction without a difference here.

Dude, take a ******* chill pill. I’m not excoriating anything.

I’m not responding anymore because you’re asking me to defend things I haven’t said, and certainly haven’t excoriated (you’ll notice that my original comment actually defended fracking).
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Im not the one decidedly against drilling (is that a better characterization from 'excoriated'? are you happy now that the 'bad' word (in your opinion) is gone?), and excusing another equally intrusive economic activity in the exact same locale. As I said, I find your distinction without a difference mildly amusing. And that is all I have said.

I guess I take a chill pill for asking you how that distinction is pertinent? Lolz.... You are decidedly promoting how outraged we should be for the situation, sorry to make you maddy poo that I am not. No offense, but I still dont see the material difference that we should be so outraged about.
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(09-06-2019 03:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:46 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:00 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I wonder if you get as upset with a new house going up next door?

And, as has been noted, what you see are drilling rigs; 3-4 weeks tops of activity. Not years.

3-4 weeks of a high derrick, and large construction activity vs 40 weeks of framing, interiors, finish out, and exterior work is probably about equal.

Not only that, but based on the photos, the derricks are most likely part of a pooling --- most pooling done with residential tracts has a partial interest going back to the commons or HOA. They have probably eliminated 80 per cent of the HOA load with that 3-4 weeks.

Not a bad trade off imo. Not only that but the resale values of the houses then goes up because of that subsidy.

I think when you buy a home in a neighborhood, you can expect other homes to be built nearby. I don't see why one would expect an oil and gas operation to be built nearby...

Again, a zoning issue (even though you don't see it as one, for some reason).

Anyways, not worth arguing over this topic anymore. I've proven my point that, in Colorado, O&G exploration and production happens inside neighborhoods. I think that sucks for homeowners who don't want to live in a neighborhood where that happens and they have no say in it.

I find if interesting that you excoriate one intrusive and noisy economic activity, and give an absolute and complete pass to another.

My neighbor can build a brand new house on his land and I have no say in it. i should feel aggrieved, I guess.

The difference between drilling activity and building a house is...... what?

By the way you do know how they can amazingly hide the long term well head activity, both visually and auditory? Can we agree that for the long term there is no impact (that is, beyond the initial 3-4 weeks that apparently no one should be expected to endure...... the horrors.....)

No offense, but you are seemingly fixated on the proverbial distinction without a difference here.

Dude, take a ******* chill pill. I’m not excoriating anything.

I’m not responding anymore because you’re asking me to defend things I haven’t said, and certainly haven’t excoriated (you’ll notice that my original comment actually defended fracking).

That’s rich, coming from you.
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(09-06-2019 08:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:46 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:00 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I wonder if you get as upset with a new house going up next door?

And, as has been noted, what you see are drilling rigs; 3-4 weeks tops of activity. Not years.

3-4 weeks of a high derrick, and large construction activity vs 40 weeks of framing, interiors, finish out, and exterior work is probably about equal.

Not only that, but based on the photos, the derricks are most likely part of a pooling --- most pooling done with residential tracts has a partial interest going back to the commons or HOA. They have probably eliminated 80 per cent of the HOA load with that 3-4 weeks.

Not a bad trade off imo. Not only that but the resale values of the houses then goes up because of that subsidy.

I think when you buy a home in a neighborhood, you can expect other homes to be built nearby. I don't see why one would expect an oil and gas operation to be built nearby...

Again, a zoning issue (even though you don't see it as one, for some reason).

Anyways, not worth arguing over this topic anymore. I've proven my point that, in Colorado, O&G exploration and production happens inside neighborhoods. I think that sucks for homeowners who don't want to live in a neighborhood where that happens and they have no say in it.

I find if interesting that you excoriate one intrusive and noisy economic activity, and give an absolute and complete pass to another.

My neighbor can build a brand new house on his land and I have no say in it. i should feel aggrieved, I guess.

The difference between drilling activity and building a house is...... what?

By the way you do know how they can amazingly hide the long term well head activity, both visually and auditory? Can we agree that for the long term there is no impact (that is, beyond the initial 3-4 weeks that apparently no one should be expected to endure...... the horrors.....)

No offense, but you are seemingly fixated on the proverbial distinction without a difference here.

Dude, take a ******* chill pill. I’m not excoriating anything.

I’m not responding anymore because you’re asking me to defend things I haven’t said, and certainly haven’t excoriated (you’ll notice that my original comment actually defended fracking).

That’s rich.

Cool.
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(09-06-2019 08:47 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 08:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:46 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I think when you buy a home in a neighborhood, you can expect other homes to be built nearby. I don't see why one would expect an oil and gas operation to be built nearby...

Again, a zoning issue (even though you don't see it as one, for some reason).

Anyways, not worth arguing over this topic anymore. I've proven my point that, in Colorado, O&G exploration and production happens inside neighborhoods. I think that sucks for homeowners who don't want to live in a neighborhood where that happens and they have no say in it.

I find if interesting that you excoriate one intrusive and noisy economic activity, and give an absolute and complete pass to another.

My neighbor can build a brand new house on his land and I have no say in it. i should feel aggrieved, I guess.

The difference between drilling activity and building a house is...... what?

By the way you do know how they can amazingly hide the long term well head activity, both visually and auditory? Can we agree that for the long term there is no impact (that is, beyond the initial 3-4 weeks that apparently no one should be expected to endure...... the horrors.....)

No offense, but you are seemingly fixated on the proverbial distinction without a difference here.

Dude, take a ******* chill pill. I’m not excoriating anything.

I’m not responding anymore because you’re asking me to defend things I haven’t said, and certainly haven’t excoriated (you’ll notice that my original comment actually defended fracking).

That’s rich.

Cool.

Once again, the leftie can dish it out but can’t take it.
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(09-06-2019 03:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Dude, take a ******* chill pill. I’m not excoriating anything.
I’m not responding anymore because you’re asking me to defend things I haven’t said, and certainly haven’t excoriated (you’ll notice that my original comment actually defended fracking).

How does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot?
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(09-06-2019 09:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 03:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Dude, take a ******* chill pill. I’m not excoriating anything.
I’m not responding anymore because you’re asking me to defend things I haven’t said, and certainly haven’t excoriated (you’ll notice that my original comment actually defended fracking).

How does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot?

Cool.
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apparently the difference between excoriating and mentioning in highly negative manner is so huge as to engender that
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Maybe he meant exfoliating.
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(09-06-2019 09:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  apparently the difference between excoriating and mentioning in highly negative manner is so huge as to engender that

Dude, actually read my original post.
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(09-06-2019 09:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  apparently the difference between excoriating and mentioning in highly negative manner is so huge as to engender that

Dude, actually read my original post.

That’s rich.
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(09-06-2019 10:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 10:00 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 09:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  apparently the difference between excoriating and mentioning in highly negative manner is so huge as to engender that

Dude, actually read my original post.

That’s rich.

Har, har, har, what a quality post!

If you agree with Tanq's point that I apparently hate drilling, why don't you go back and point out where I said that. Heck, I even stated in the original response that I disagreed with people trying to completely ban fracking and O&G exploration/production.
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(09-07-2019 03:25 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 10:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 10:00 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 09:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  apparently the difference between excoriating and mentioning in highly negative manner is so huge as to engender that

Dude, actually read my original post.

That’s rich.

Har, har, har, what a quality post!

If you agree with Tanq's point that I apparently hate drilling, why don't you go back and point out where I said that. Heck, I even stated in the original response that I disagreed with people trying to completely ban fracking and O&G exploration/production.

Whoooosh.

I don't care about your comments on drilling and fracking. I was referring to the fact you told Tanq to go back and read your original post when you keep misquoting mine.

Physician, heal thyself.
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(09-07-2019 03:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 03:25 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 10:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 10:00 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 09:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  apparently the difference between excoriating and mentioning in highly negative manner is so huge as to engender that

Dude, actually read my original post.

That’s rich.

Har, har, har, what a quality post!

If you agree with Tanq's point that I apparently hate drilling, why don't you go back and point out where I said that. Heck, I even stated in the original response that I disagreed with people trying to completely ban fracking and O&G exploration/production.

Whoooosh.

I don't care about your comments on drilling and fracking. I was referring to the fact you told Tanq to go back and read your original post when you keep misquoting mine.

Physician, heal thyself.

Which post am I misquoting?
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(09-07-2019 04:01 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 03:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 03:25 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 10:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 10:00 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Dude, actually read my original post.

That’s rich.

Har, har, har, what a quality post!

If you agree with Tanq's point that I apparently hate drilling, why don't you go back and point out where I said that. Heck, I even stated in the original response that I disagreed with people trying to completely ban fracking and O&G exploration/production.

Whoooosh.

I don't care about your comments on drilling and fracking. I was referring to the fact you told Tanq to go back and read your original post when you keep misquoting mine.

Physician, heal thyself.

Which post am I misquoting?

Go back and find all the times in this thread and the other where I say "I never said that". Start there.
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(09-07-2019 04:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 04:01 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 03:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 03:25 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 10:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  That’s rich.

Har, har, har, what a quality post!

If you agree with Tanq's point that I apparently hate drilling, why don't you go back and point out where I said that. Heck, I even stated in the original response that I disagreed with people trying to completely ban fracking and O&G exploration/production.

Whoooosh.

I don't care about your comments on drilling and fracking. I was referring to the fact you told Tanq to go back and read your original post when you keep misquoting mine.

Physician, heal thyself.

Which post am I misquoting?

Go back and find all the times in this thread and the other where I say "I never said that". Start there.

There aren’t any posts in this thread where you said that...
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(09-07-2019 03:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 03:25 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 10:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 10:00 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 09:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  apparently the difference between excoriating and mentioning in highly negative manner is so huge as to engender that

Dude, actually read my original post.

That’s rich.

Har, har, har, what a quality post!

If you agree with Tanq's point that I apparently hate drilling, why don't you go back and point out where I said that. Heck, I even stated in the original response that I disagreed with people trying to completely ban fracking and O&G exploration/production.

Whoooosh.

I don't care about your comments on drilling and fracking. I was referring to the fact you told Tanq to go back and read your original post when you keep misquoting mine.

Physician, heal thyself.

lad, my comment was not on your having an apparent dislike not of drilling in general, I understand that you do not from both the thread and past interactions with you. The comment *was* of your very palpable dislike of drilling near houses.

I am sorry if you didnt see or comprehend that. I thought the connection, i.e. talking about the import of zoning and spacing, that that was the subject at hand.

Yes, I did read your comment on drilling overall and fracking.

But when you yourself stated that "I think when you buy a home in a neighborhood, you can expect other homes to be built nearby. I don't see why one would expect an oil and gas operation to be built nearby... " that any comment on noise and timeframes would be absolutely understood to refer to the subject that you yourself both defined and delimited.

So cut the **** that I was referring to drilling overall. Especially given the give and take that specifically put into play spacing, noise, timeframes, and zoning. None of which 9except spacing) have an substantive effect of drilling in a generalized sense.

If you grew into that realization after those delimeters and explicit comments, I am really fing sorry that you think I was referring or talking about hatred of drilling in general.

Yes, I did not explicitly re- delimit the term 'activity' with those words. But if you cant follow the ongoing comment, then that part is really on you. So I will expressly state 'my bad' for not typing 'drilling activity near houses' as the specific project. But there is a corresponding amount on yourself for not being able to understand or comprehend that the context of 'activity' as the activity we were all talking about at the time.
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(09-07-2019 05:31 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 03:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-07-2019 03:25 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 10:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(09-06-2019 10:00 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Dude, actually read my original post.

That’s rich.

Har, har, har, what a quality post!

If you agree with Tanq's point that I apparently hate drilling, why don't you go back and point out where I said that. Heck, I even stated in the original response that I disagreed with people trying to completely ban fracking and O&G exploration/production.

Whoooosh.

I don't care about your comments on drilling and fracking. I was referring to the fact you told Tanq to go back and read your original post when you keep misquoting mine.

Physician, heal thyself.

lad, my comment was not on your very apparent dislike not of drilling in general, but of your very palpable dislike of drilling near houses.

I am sorry if you didnt see or comprehend that. I thought the connection, i.e. talking about the import of zoning and spacing, that that was the subject at hand.

Yes, I did read your comment on drilling overall and fracking.

But when you yourself stated that "I think when you buy a home in a neighborhood, you can expect other homes to be built nearby. I don't see why one would expect an oil and gas operation to be built nearby... " that any comment on noise and timeframes would be absolutely understood to refer to the subject that you yourself both defined and delimited.

So cut the **** that I was referring to drilling overall. Especially given the give and take that specifically put into play spacing, noise, timeframes, and zoning. None of which 9except spacing) have an substantive effect of drilling in a generalized sense.

If you grew into that realization after those delimeters and explicit comments, I am really fing sorry that you think I was referring or talking about your hatred of drilling in general.

Yes, I did not explicitly re- delimit the term 'activity' with those words. But if you cant follow the ongoing comment, then that part is really on you.

I honestly didn’t get that you were trying to take me to town for my opinion on commercial and industrial activities in residential areas. You kept pushing back on me describing my opinion as being a zoning issue, after all...
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I kept pushing back on your dislike of the practice due to: a) noise; b) activity; c) sight of the derrick; and c) your dislike of that activity taking place on an adjoining parcel without 'the neighbor's' interaction.

The noise of the drilling activity is of less time than building a house. The overall activity is about the same. The derrick disappears. The long term pumpjack mechanisms are typically quite well hidden, and extraordinarily quiet. The overall 'interaction' is equivalent to the time and intrusion of a house being built next door.

The fact that it takes place 'next door' is a 'too fing bad' issue --- that is what the precept of private property usually entails.

I was surprised that you would defend building a house so vociferously and be very negative on another equivalent intrusion level of economic activity. That was the intent of my comment.
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