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Oberlin's fiasco
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/artic...y-oberlin/

This was the case where Oberlin College in Ohio boycotted a 140 year old business because they arrested 3 students who were shoplifting wine.

This Dean Raimondo is dangerously scarily demented.

"...The previous day, a Lorain County jury had awarded Gibson’s an astounding $33 million in punitive damages in addition to the $11.2 million it had already assigned to the family business for compensatory damages.

The jury found that Oberlin College and its dean of students had maliciously libeled the Gibson family as racists and deliberately damaged their business by suspending and later cancelling its century-long business relationship with the bakery—all while unofficially encouraging a student boycott. And the jury found that the college had intentionally inflicted emotional distress on the Gibsons themselves....

In August 2017, nine months after his arrest, Jonathan Aladin pled guilty to misdemeanor charges of attempted theft, aggravated trespassing, and underage purchase of alcohol. His friends pled guilty to the first two charges. All three students read statements to the court acknowledging that Allyn Gibson had been within his rights to detain them and that his actions had not been racially motivated. On the sidelines of the court, the director of Oberlin’s Multicultural Resource Center and interim assistant dean of students, Antoinette Myers, texted her supervisor, Dean Raimondo. “After a year”—that is, after the students were eligible to have their criminal records expunged—“I hope we rain fire and brimstone on that store,” Myers wrote....

But it was Copeland’s letter that upset administrators. Upon reading it, Oberlin’s Vice President of Communications Ben Jones texted Meredith Raimondo the following: “**** ROGER COPELAND!” To which Raimondo responded, “**** him. I’d say unleash the students if I wasn’t convinced this needs to be put behind us.” Which is to say, if prudence hadn’t suggested otherwise at that moment, Oberlin’s dean of students thought it would be a good idea to incite students against a professor for urging a respect for facts, law, and the welfare of one’s neighbors....

Apparently concerned that the protests were backfiring, a worried Raimondo emailed the Oberlin Student Senate: “At this point, demonstrations are driving u[p] Gibson’s business.” The Saturday demonstrations were duly cancelled, a fact that suggests that Raimondo knew not only how to “unleash the students,” but how to re-leash them....

As for Raimondo and Tita Reed, who were named as the point persons in finding that “full and true narrative,” David Gibson testified that Raimondo warned him that she had sent people door-to-door to ask if the Gibsons were racists. Raimondo denied that in court—but in any event, no such witnesses were produced by Oberlin (truth is, of course, always an absolute defense against libel). While she was ostensibly working on finding the “full and true narrative,” Reed was forwarded an email from an Oberlin employee and resident of the town who wrote: “I have talked to 15 townie friends who are poc (persons of color) and they are disgusted and embarrassed by the protest. In their view, the kid was breaking the law, period (even if he wasn’t shoplifting, he was underage). To them this is not a race issue at all and they do not believe the Gibsons are racist. They believe the students have picked the wrong target. … I find this misdirected rage very disturbing, and it’s only going to widen the gap (between) town and gown.”

The college president’s special assistant for community relations responded: “Doesn’t change a damn thing for me....""
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These idiots become blinded by their agendas. They don't engage their brains and think these things through, they'll literally do almost anything to advance whatever cause they think they are supporting. You are absolutely correct that it's demented, and therefore dangerous.
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Their insurance company will be glad to know these emails exist.
08-29-2019 12:39 PM
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(08-29-2019 12:39 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Their insurance company will be glad to know these emails exist.

A lot of the damages awarded in this case are from claims not uncovered by insurance. Punitive damages are not insurable in Ohio (that $33M right there). Intentional acts are not covered by an insurance policy.

There will be a negotiated amount which will be less than the full verdict, the insurer will pay some of it, but Oberlin will also be paying out of pocket. How much will be a big part of all the negotiations.
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(08-29-2019 12:44 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(08-29-2019 12:39 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Their insurance company will be glad to know these emails exist.

A lot of the damages awarded in this case are from claims not uncovered by insurance. Punitive damages are not insurable in Ohio (that $33M right there). Intentional acts are not covered by an insurance policy.

There will be a negotiated amount which will be less than the full verdict, the insurer will pay some of it, but Oberlin will also be paying out of pocket. How much will be a big part of all the negotiations.

Insurance company will likely refuse to pay due to the actions of Oberlin not being covered at all.

Oberlin is liable, and will have to pay it out of pocket.

Oberlin can take their insurance company to the state, but they are unlikely to get anywhere. Deliberate actions are almost always excluded from coverage. Insurers typically wont even negotiate these, because they are 0% liable, especially when there's undisputed proof that the willful act occurred.

Even if a court were to force the insurer to pay until their case with Oberlin is settled (not likely), the carrier will eventually win and place Oberlin in subrogation, where they will have to repay the insurance company.

Many of these cases are settled by the insurance company when their customer has some percent of liability that they are bound to cover, and they simply negotiate a value to save costs, especially those incurred going to trial. But when they have 0% liability, they probably wont even get involved other than to send a letter to say they arent paying the claim.
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You would think the Trustees would have some sense and cut their losses, settle and get rid of these clowns.
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(08-29-2019 12:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(08-29-2019 12:44 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(08-29-2019 12:39 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Their insurance company will be glad to know these emails exist.

A lot of the damages awarded in this case are from claims not uncovered by insurance. Punitive damages are not insurable in Ohio (that $33M right there). Intentional acts are not covered by an insurance policy.

There will be a negotiated amount which will be less than the full verdict, the insurer will pay some of it, but Oberlin will also be paying out of pocket. How much will be a big part of all the negotiations.

Insurance company will likely refuse to pay due to the actions of Oberlin not being covered at all.

Oberlin is liable, and will have to pay it out of pocket.

Oberlin can take their insurance company to the state, but they are unlikely to get anywhere. Deliberate actions are almost always excluded from coverage. Insurers typically wont even negotiate these, because they are 0% liable, especially when there's undisputed proof that the willful act occurred.

Even if a court were to force the insurer to pay until their case with Oberlin is settled (not likely), the carrier will eventually win and place Oberlin in subrogation, where they will have to repay the insurance company.

Many of these cases are settled by the insurance company when their customer has some percent of liability that they are bound to cover, and they simply negotiate a value to save costs, especially those incurred going to trial. But when they have 0% liability, they probably wont even get involved other than to send a letter to say they arent paying the claim.

Generally you are right, but odds are plaintiff made numerous allegations- many that are clearly not covered by the policy, some that are clearly covered by the policy and some that are in the gray area. Of course they will take the position they owe none of the damages awarded in this case. I've personally handled matters like this in my career, and trust me the carrier will come to the table to pay some portion of the judgment (even if it is a small amount).
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Given Oberlin's "thin margins", I hope they go belly up.
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From the link in the OP:

Quote:In the aftermath of the jury’s verdict, Krislov’s successor as president, Carmen Ambar, along with college proxies and sympathetic journalists, have implied that—guilty pleas, allocutions, and an exhaustive six-week civil trial notwithstanding—there really was, after all, something to the claim that Gibson’s had racially profiled Aladin and others. In interviews, Ambar has hit on a bit of bad philosophy to obfuscate this point. “You can have two different lived experiences, and both those things can be true,” she told the Wall Street Journal editorial board. One is tempted to say that the facile relativism of this—there is a Gibson truth and an Aladin truth; a townie truth and a college truth—reveals the sophistry behind Oberlin’s self-destructive approach, but actually it’s worse than that, if not philosophically at least morally. Nothing in the actions of Oberlin College or those of its dean and vice president suggests an understanding or empathy with the Gibson family’s experience.
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These people are flat-out nuts. No other way to put it.
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(08-29-2019 04:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  From the link in the OP:

Quote:In the aftermath of the jury’s verdict, Krislov’s successor as president, Carmen Ambar, along with college proxies and sympathetic journalists, have implied that—guilty pleas, allocutions, and an exhaustive six-week civil trial notwithstanding—there really was, after all, something to the claim that Gibson’s had racially profiled Aladin and others. In interviews, Ambar has hit on a bit of bad philosophy to obfuscate this point. “You can have two different lived experiences, and both those things can be true,” she told the Wall Street Journal editorial board. One is tempted to say that the facile relativism of this—there is a Gibson truth and an Aladin truth; a townie truth and a college truth—reveals the sophistry behind Oberlin’s self-destructive approach, but actually it’s worse than that, if not philosophically at least morally. Nothing in the actions of Oberlin College or those of its dean and vice president suggests an understanding or empathy with the Gibson family’s experience.

Let's play along with the leftist for a moment and say that there are two truths.

The Oberlin administration has obviously given additional weight to the Aladin truth over the Gibson truth. By doing so, they indicate by their actions that one truth is greater than the other truth.

And the Oberlin administration has therefore chosen the truth that has been ruled criminal over the truth that is not criminal.



Seriously, these people are dangerously mentally sick.



But hey, at least they brai---, uh, teach our children.
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