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(11-27-2019 10:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:33 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:10 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-26-2019 11:03 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(11-26-2019 05:30 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  And before we go crazy lifting up the CAA for its football awesomeness, they're not exactly having their best season. Three teams in the 24-team tournament field this year: JMU, Nova and Albany.

ODU's bad, there's little doubt about that, but they're FBS bad, not bottom half of the CAA bad.

Even if we were at or near the top of CUSA we'd still be in the bottom 25% of FBS. Where is the glory in that?

Because watching CUSA football is a heck of a lot better football than CAA. There are some that like watching high school football and if thats your thing, sobeit, but the level of play in CUSA is substantially greater than CAA.

You watch us against our stumble bum opponents each week and think the level of play is higher? That's a hoot!!

If you don't think the talent in CUSA is substantially higher than CAA, then you honestly, have zero clue. How many players are in the NFL from CUSA versus CAA?



Yeah, this is true.
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RE: What week will ODU enter the "Bottom 10"? Or will they?
The talent in CUSA overall is better, but other than a few exceptions, the talent at ODU is about the same as ever. The top of the CAA (where we were) is as good or better than the bottom of CUSA (where we are now). I believe the Heinike/Washington teams would beat the FBS Monarchs the last two years. I go to support the Monarchs and cheer on our guys. I like beating and playing some bigger name team in the OOC, but in conference play, to me I’d just as soon play Richmond, JMU or WM as UTSA , MTSU or FIU (no disrespect intended to them). Because I like watching the Monarchs and don’t care much about the NFL talent on the other teams.
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RE: What week will ODU enter the "Bottom 10"? Or will they?
I think we will be fine, we just need a good coach.

I'm still salty about basketball being forced into a football conference centered around Texas. Not sure if I'll ever not be salty about it.
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I don't think anyone is challenging the talent is better. I am challenging the claim that watching the CUSA games is better. Based on attendance figures and butts in seats, seems most would agree. Even when we were still running on the sell out streak and had a decent team in CUSA, the stadium was still awash in empty seats.
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RE: What week will ODU enter the "Bottom 10"? Or will they?
(11-27-2019 10:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:33 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:10 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-26-2019 11:03 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Even if we were at or near the top of CUSA we'd still be in the bottom 25% of FBS. Where is the glory in that?

Because watching CUSA football is a heck of a lot better football than CAA. There are some that like watching high school football and if thats your thing, sobeit, but the level of play in CUSA is substantially greater than CAA.

You watch us against our stumble bum opponents each week and think the level of play is higher? That's a hoot!!

If you don't think the talent in CUSA is substantially higher than CAA, then you honestly, have zero clue. How many players are in the NFL from CUSA versus CAA?



Yeah, this is true.

At the beginning of the 2019 NFL season, CAA (12 team conference) had 30 players in the NFL vs 50 players from the CUSA (14 team conference) in the NFL, data found on the NCAA website.

Dang North Dakota State has 14 players in the NFL right now.

ODU was listed with 5

JMU with 6
Nova with 4
Delaware with 5
Richmond, W&M, Towsend, and Maine with 2-3
11-27-2019 11:23 AM
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RE: What week will ODU enter the "Bottom 10"? Or will they?
(11-27-2019 11:23 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:33 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:10 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Because watching CUSA football is a heck of a lot better football than CAA. There are some that like watching high school football and if thats your thing, sobeit, but the level of play in CUSA is substantially greater than CAA.

You watch us against our stumble bum opponents each week and think the level of play is higher? That's a hoot!!

If you don't think the talent in CUSA is substantially higher than CAA, then you honestly, have zero clue. How many players are in the NFL from CUSA versus CAA?



Yeah, this is true.

At the beginning of the 2019 NFL season, CAA (12 team conference) had 30 players in the NFL vs 50 players from the CUSA (14 team conference) in the NFL, data found on the NCAA website.

Dang North Dakota State has 14 players in the NFL right now.

ODU was listed with 5

JMU with 6
Nova with 4
Delaware with 5
Richmond, W&M, Towsend, and Maine with 2-3

The big question is, is the talent difference overall worth the hit in less fan interest and increased travel expenses, plus the Cox anti-ODU bill hit? I will say that as bad as CUSA media is, at least ESPNplus is available. CAA has it even worse these days.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that unless the AAC calls. A CAA/A10 affiliation is easily the best option for ODU if Wood could make it happen.
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CAUTION: DIATRIBE TO FOLLOW --
I watch week after week and have come to a couple of conclusions (my opinion): (1) while we get continually beat on the field, the 'raw' talent of ODU seems to be on par with the competition, (2) the talent stood in there against VT and UVA this year -- in fact after those games I thought that the performance against CUSA teams would make for a pretty good season, (3) after the 4th and 1 at our 29 yardline against UVA I think the season decended into chaos and BW lost control, (4) we seem to be outcoached at every turn -- e.g. once teams figured out, after UVA, that ODU couldn't pass (block or throw) they stuffed the box and may as well put a sign out "if you beat us it will have to be through the air, because we are going to stuff your run game" --- and that recipe has been effective in every game since -- with only some passing life (aka 50 throws against one of the poorest run defenses in the country [MTSU] that even the announcers had a hard time understanding), and (5) poor decisions/execution in coaching (e.g. OC also coaching OL, undisciplined play [120 yards of penalties against MTSU], poor personnel decisions [e.g. QB selection roulette]).

Probably the worst thing is the ridiculous spin put on week after week. This coupled with the delusional statements (e.g. best 1-5 team in the country, excited about leading this team next year, got a QB of the future in Wolff, etc., etc., etc.) make me want to 03-puke in looking what an embarrassment the program has become.

A HC is responsibe for everything the team does or fails to do -- all fingers point at the inability of BW to effectively coach at the FBS level -- that is the Elephant in the room that some people still want to ignore.

My apologies for the rant, but I am sick of responding to friends and family concerning the program - who know I am an avid ODU Football fan -- wanting to know "what is wrong with ODU Football?" -- I just shrug in embarrassment and no longer have any response - except that I am hoping for an early Christmas of dismissing the HC. I love ODU and ODU Football. The Monarchs have been my team from day one and will continue to be my team, but I cannot support the continued bastardization of the program by the current HC and the administrators (WS and JB) who have let this freakshow continue way beyond any reasonable expectation. Enough said. BlueandSilver out.
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RE: What week will ODU enter the "Bottom 10"? Or will they?
(11-27-2019 11:28 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:23 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:33 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  You watch us against our stumble bum opponents each week and think the level of play is higher? That's a hoot!!

If you don't think the talent in CUSA is substantially higher than CAA, then you honestly, have zero clue. How many players are in the NFL from CUSA versus CAA?



Yeah, this is true.

At the beginning of the 2019 NFL season, CAA (12 team conference) had 30 players in the NFL vs 50 players from the CUSA (14 team conference) in the NFL, data found on the NCAA website.

Dang North Dakota State has 14 players in the NFL right now.

ODU was listed with 5

JMU with 6
Nova with 4
Delaware with 5
Richmond, W&M, Towsend, and Maine with 2-3

The big question is, is the talent difference overall worth the hit in less fan interest and increased travel expenses, plus the Cox anti-ODU bill hit? I will say that as bad as CUSA media is, at least ESPNplus is available. CAA has it even worse these days.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that unless the AAC calls. A CAA/A10 affiliation is easily the best option for ODU if Wood could make it happen.

It won't happen until Lil' Woody is gone. In order for Lil' Woody to make it happen, he will have to admit he was wrong and his entire legacy is a waste. Not going to happen. He hasn't admitted to being wrong on anything over the last 10 years. He certainly isn't going to admit his legacy is a giant mistake and he created this Ponzi scheme that is collapsing at a rapid rate. Lil' Woody will be gone when the entire stadium saga is exposed. That will take several years. Did he really think after sellouts, Taylor Heinicke, and fundraising off the false premise of boatgating and a 30k waterfront stadium, he could keep this going? Right now he can still point the finger at Bobby... but the fraud will be exposed in due time. I warned y'all.
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(11-27-2019 10:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:33 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:10 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-26-2019 11:03 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(11-26-2019 05:30 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  And before we go crazy lifting up the CAA for its football awesomeness, they're not exactly having their best season. Three teams in the 24-team tournament field this year: JMU, Nova and Albany.

ODU's bad, there's little doubt about that, but they're FBS bad, not bottom half of the CAA bad.

Even if we were at or near the top of CUSA we'd still be in the bottom 25% of FBS. Where is the glory in that?

Because watching CUSA football is a heck of a lot better football than CAA. There are some that like watching high school football and if thats your thing, sobeit, but the level of play in CUSA is substantially greater than CAA.

You watch us against our stumble bum opponents each week and think the level of play is higher? That's a hoot!!

If you don't think the talent in CUSA is substantially higher than CAA, then you honestly, have zero clue. How many players are in the NFL from CUSA versus CAA?

Last years team had 2 players make the NFL as defensive linemen. What did it get us? A 4-8 record. 13th in the conference in scoring defense. 14th in rushing defense. 12th in passing defense. What was the positive effect of having them on the field? And if they hadn't been on the field we couldn't have been much worse.
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RE: What week will ODU enter the "Bottom 10"? Or will they?
(11-27-2019 10:55 AM)monarx Wrote:  The talent in CUSA overall is better, but other than a few exceptions, the talent at ODU is about the same as ever. The top of the CAA (where we were) is as good or better than the bottom of CUSA (where we are now). I believe the Heinike/Washington teams would beat the FBS Monarchs the last two years. I go to support the Monarchs and cheer on our guys. I like beating and playing some bigger name team in the OOC, but in conference play, to me I’d just as soon play Richmond, JMU or WM as UTSA , MTSU or FIU (no disrespect intended to them). Because I like watching the Monarchs and don’t care much about the NFL talent on the other teams.

I don't think the top of the CAA is anywhere close to the bottom of CUSA.

Heinicke was a rare breed and that level QB doesn't come to even P5 very often. He would be the only reason the Heinicke led CAA teams would be close because those defenses would give up 50+ points per game. The Washington led teams were made up mostly of FBS recruits.

It just depends on what you like. Some people like High School, some college, some NFL. The quality increases at each level
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(11-27-2019 11:03 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I don't think anyone is challenging the talent is better. I am challenging the claim that watching the CUSA games is better. Based on attendance figures and butts in seats, seems most would agree. Even when we were still running on the sell out streak and had a decent team in CUSA, the stadium was still awash in empty seats.

I agree. I think there is a portion of our fanbase that only cares about winning and would rather see wins vs. Chowan than losses vs. UVA.
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(11-27-2019 11:23 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:33 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:10 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Because watching CUSA football is a heck of a lot better football than CAA. There are some that like watching high school football and if thats your thing, sobeit, but the level of play in CUSA is substantially greater than CAA.

You watch us against our stumble bum opponents each week and think the level of play is higher? That's a hoot!!

If you don't think the talent in CUSA is substantially higher than CAA, then you honestly, have zero clue. How many players are in the NFL from CUSA versus CAA?



Yeah, this is true.

At the beginning of the 2019 NFL season, CAA (12 team conference) had 30 players in the NFL vs 50 players from the CUSA (14 team conference) in the NFL, data found on the NCAA website.

Dang North Dakota State has 14 players in the NFL right now.

ODU was listed with 5

JMU with 6
Nova with 4
Delaware with 5
Richmond, W&M, Towsend, and Maine with 2-3

Have you ever heard of any of the players from JMU? I know of Mooreland just cause he's stinking up the joint with the Skins. Ive never heard of any of the Nova guys. 1 of the Delaware guys (Flacco).

Meanawhile FAU has singletary and hendrickson, FIU has TY Hilton and Jonnu Smith, LT has Driskell, Woods, and Jaylon Ferguson, WKY has Fant, Lamp, Doyle...Im sure there are others, but there are a lot of very productive players from CUSA; some maybe even pro bowlers.
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(11-27-2019 11:28 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:23 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:33 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  You watch us against our stumble bum opponents each week and think the level of play is higher? That's a hoot!!

If you don't think the talent in CUSA is substantially higher than CAA, then you honestly, have zero clue. How many players are in the NFL from CUSA versus CAA?



Yeah, this is true.

At the beginning of the 2019 NFL season, CAA (12 team conference) had 30 players in the NFL vs 50 players from the CUSA (14 team conference) in the NFL, data found on the NCAA website.

Dang North Dakota State has 14 players in the NFL right now.

ODU was listed with 5

JMU with 6
Nova with 4
Delaware with 5
Richmond, W&M, Towsend, and Maine with 2-3

The big question is, is the talent difference overall worth the hit in less fan interest and increased travel expenses, plus the Cox anti-ODU bill hit? I will say that as bad as CUSA media is, at least ESPNplus is available. CAA has it even worse these days.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that unless the AAC calls. A CAA/A10 affiliation is easily the best option for ODU if Wood could make it happen.

I may be in the minority but after experiencing FBS football, I'm not sitting in the stands for CAA games.
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(11-27-2019 02:01 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:33 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:10 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-26-2019 11:03 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Even if we were at or near the top of CUSA we'd still be in the bottom 25% of FBS. Where is the glory in that?

Because watching CUSA football is a heck of a lot better football than CAA. There are some that like watching high school football and if thats your thing, sobeit, but the level of play in CUSA is substantially greater than CAA.

You watch us against our stumble bum opponents each week and think the level of play is higher? That's a hoot!!

If you don't think the talent in CUSA is substantially higher than CAA, then you honestly, have zero clue. How many players are in the NFL from CUSA versus CAA?

Last years team had 2 players make the NFL as defensive linemen. What did it get us? A 4-8 record. 13th in the conference in scoring defense. 14th in rushing defense. 12th in passing defense. What was the positive effect of having them on the field? And if they hadn't been on the field we couldn't have been much worse.

If watching future NFL players play for ODU doesn't do it for you, sobeit. It doesn't have to entertain everyone.
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Is this thread about football or basketball?
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(11-27-2019 02:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:28 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:23 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  If you don't think the talent in CUSA is substantially higher than CAA, then you honestly, have zero clue. How many players are in the NFL from CUSA versus CAA?



Yeah, this is true.

At the beginning of the 2019 NFL season, CAA (12 team conference) had 30 players in the NFL vs 50 players from the CUSA (14 team conference) in the NFL, data found on the NCAA website.

Dang North Dakota State has 14 players in the NFL right now.

ODU was listed with 5

JMU with 6
Nova with 4
Delaware with 5
Richmond, W&M, Towsend, and Maine with 2-3

The big question is, is the talent difference overall worth the hit in less fan interest and increased travel expenses, plus the Cox anti-ODU bill hit? I will say that as bad as CUSA media is, at least ESPNplus is available. CAA has it even worse these days.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that unless the AAC calls. A CAA/A10 affiliation is easily the best option for ODU if Wood could make it happen.

I may be in the minority but after experiencing FBS football, I'm not sitting in the stands for CAA games.

Can all those folks not sitting in the stands for CUSA games be wrong?

And if you want to see FBS football stay home and watch Alabama-Auburn or Ohio State-Michigan. Or the Redskins on Sunday! Nothing CUSA does comes close to matching the real FBS teams
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(11-27-2019 03:39 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 02:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:28 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:23 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  [/b]

Yeah, this is true.

At the beginning of the 2019 NFL season, CAA (12 team conference) had 30 players in the NFL vs 50 players from the CUSA (14 team conference) in the NFL, data found on the NCAA website.

Dang North Dakota State has 14 players in the NFL right now.

ODU was listed with 5

JMU with 6
Nova with 4
Delaware with 5
Richmond, W&M, Towsend, and Maine with 2-3

The big question is, is the talent difference overall worth the hit in less fan interest and increased travel expenses, plus the Cox anti-ODU bill hit? I will say that as bad as CUSA media is, at least ESPNplus is available. CAA has it even worse these days.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that unless the AAC calls. A CAA/A10 affiliation is easily the best option for ODU if Wood could make it happen.

I may be in the minority but after experiencing FBS football, I'm not sitting in the stands for CAA games.

Can all those folks not sitting in the stands for CUSA games be wrong?

And if you want to see FBS football stay home and watch Alabama-Auburn or Ohio State-Michigan. Or the Redskins on Sunday! Nothing CUSA does comes close to matching the real FBS teams

Im not sure what a "real" FBS game is but the level of talent on the field in CUSA is vasty superior than CAA. If you like watching ODU play Albany, have at it. Thats your prerogative.

If ODU wins there will be more fans in the seats than if they lose. I don't think a winning CAA team is outdrawing a winning CUSA team now that the newness has worn off.
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(11-27-2019 10:58 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I think we will be fine, we just need a good coach.

I'm still salty about basketball being forced into a football conference centered around Texas. Not sure if I'll ever not be salty about it.
Amen, brother.

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(11-27-2019 02:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:03 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I don't think anyone is challenging the talent is better. I am challenging the claim that watching the CUSA games is better. Based on attendance figures and butts in seats, seems most would agree. Even when we were still running on the sell out streak and had a decent team in CUSA, the stadium was still awash in empty seats.

I agree. I think there is a portion of our fanbase that only cares about winning and would rather see wins vs. Chowan than losses vs. UVA.
I am not all in on the let's go back to CAA, but I did enjoy football more then. The problem in CUSA for me is that it is all basically an exhibition. There is nothing to win but a conference championship, which we have never competed for. The talent may be lesser at the FCS level, but at least the games mean something, and there is nothing even approaching the drama of a playoff for a CUSA team. It just doesn't feel like we are playing for anything but pride where we are right now. G5 is pretty much the new FCS without the one good thing FCS ever had... A tournament.

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RE: What week will ODU enter the "Bottom 10"? Or will they?
True. But its also like winning the NIT.
11-27-2019 08:45 PM
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