https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...41048.html

Good argument on why the anti-zionists are anti-semetic.

"Criticism of Israel Is Not Anti-Semitism; Anti-Zionism Is
Imagine a group of people who work to destroy Italy because, they claim, Italy's origins are illegitimate. Imagine further that these people maintain that of all the countries in the world, only Italy is illegitimate. And then imagine that these people vigorously deny they are in any way anti-Italian. Would you believe them? Or would you dismiss their argument as not only dishonest but absurd?

Substitute "Israel" for "Italy" and "Jew" for "Italian" and you'll understand the dishonesty and absurdity of the argument that one can be anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic.


But that is precisely what anti-Zionists say. They argue that the very existence of a Jewish state in the geographic area known as Palestine -- there was never an independent country known as Palestine -- is illegitimate. They do not believe any other country in the world is illegitimate, no matter how bloody its origins. And then they get offended when they're accused of being anti-Semitic...."

Yeah. And I'm a non-racist Trump supporter.

Funny how that stuff works.

There are even some Christians now who are anti Zionists which is stunning.

The biggest Zionist of all is Yahweh. Its written in the Bible from Genesis through Revelation.

This doesn't mean we agree with every decision Israel makes, but they are back in the land as the Bible said they would be 2500+ years ago (after a 1900 year diaspora across the world), and they will now remain in the land forever more. The Bible tells us another major war and holocaust is coming in the tribulation, but they will never be fully removed again, Jerusalem will never fully fall again, and Christ will reign over the whole earth from Jerusalem for 1000 years after the 2nd coming.

The Jews will accept Jesus as their Messiah in the end.

(08-21-2019 10:47 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There are even some Christians now who are anti Zionists which is stunning.

The biggest Zionist of all is Yahweh. Its written in the Bible from Genesis through Revelation.

This doesn't mean we agree with every decision Israel makes, but they are back in the land as the Bible said they would be 2500+ years ago (after a 1900 year diaspora across the world), and they will now remain in the land forever more. The Bible tells us another major war and holocaust is coming in the tribulation, but they will never be fully removed again, Jerusalem will never fully fall again, and Christ will reign over the whole earth from Jerusalem for 1000 years after the 2nd coming.

The Jews will accept Jesus as their Messiah in the end.

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Which is why I have always wondered why Jewish people tend to vote Democrat. Never made any sense to me.

Never really understood the anti Semitic tag. Isn't this some sort of racial sub classification like Arabic, Hamitic, Aryan, etc.

Zionist Terror Groups

Quote:Radical elements of Zionists have adopted terrorism; in our era it is common to associate terrorism with Muslims, but radical Zionist Jews actually introduced a great deal of terrorist methods and ideology to modernity.[25] In 1954 Israel hijacked a Syrian airways civilian jet to obtain hostages,[26] and in 1956 shot down an Egyptian civilian airplane, killing 16 civilians, in order to assassinate a military leader.[27][28] Moreover, without terrorism the State of Israel likely would not have come to exist in 1948. Zionist terrorism demonstrated that "terrorism can, in the right conditions and with the appropriate strategy and tactics, succeed in attaining at least some of its practitioners’ fundamental aims.”[29] Indeed, "[i]n the end, the [Zionist] terrorists got what they wanted."[30]

Quote:Pre-state Zionists carried out extensive terror against Arab civilians, the British and politically unacceptable Jews. They also murdered UN mediator Folke Bernadotte, who as head of the Swedish Red Cross during WWII had rescued thousands of concentration camp survivors.[31] In 1943 Yitzhak Shamir wrote the article Terror for the journal of Lehi — the terrorist organization he headed — and therein advocated the "dismiss[al of] all the 'phobia' and babble against terror with simple, obvious arguments." "Neither Jewish morality nor Jewish tradition can be used to disallow terror as a means of war," he wrote, and "We are very far from any moral hesitations when concerned with the national struggle." "First and foremost, terror is for us a part of the political war appropriate for the circumstances of today, and its task is a major one: it demonstrates in the clearest language, heard throughout the world including by our unfortunate brethren outside the gates of this country, our war against the occupier."[32]

Some of these thinking are incorperated into Israel military and politics.

Quote:The Jewish Defense League, a group labeled as terrorists by the FBI, has also been active in Israel in the past several decades. In 1994, JDL member Baruch Goldstein slaughtered 29 Muslims who were kneeling in prayer in a Hebron mosque.[34] Goldstein is revered as a hero by many Israelis, especially settlers.[35][36][37]

Most recentlyWikipedia's W.svg, Zionist terrorism has erupted among settlers staking claims on Palestinian land in the West Bank (and many of them were born in America).[38] According to Yuval Diskin, Israel’s former internal security service chief, many settlers "apply some level of violence or terrorism against the persons or possessions of Palestinians" and that these stand ready to also commit violence against Jews who are, in the terrorists' view, insufficiently Zionist. Diskin states that Jewish terrorists act with near impunity, that there are "two justice systems, one for Jews (Israeli law) and the other for Palestinians (martial law). Whether we want it or not, these two justice systems have divergent measures to adjudicate identical offenses."[39] For instance, Israeli citizens are subject to civilian trials and lesser legal penalties if convicted. Palestinians are subject to military trials and higher penalties.[40]

One example of this seeming double standard is a 2015 arson attack by settlers upon a family, killing a mother, father and toddler. For months, no one was charged for these murders, although a number of suspects were detained.[41] On December 3, 2015 three Jewish settlers were arrested for indirect involvement, and one was quickly released to house arrest in his home in an illegal settlement; another three were held for allegedly being directly involved.[42][43] In contrast with Israel's collective punishment policy for Palestinians,[44] the homes of the accused Jewish terrorists have not been demolished. A member of the Dawabshe family said "We don’t have any trust in the Israeli justice system any more – neither the courts, nor the army."[citation needed]

JDL Terror Group

Jewish Defense League used violence and bombings which is why they are on the FBI terror list. Some of these people went to Isreal and become the far right wing who wants to get rid of all non-Jews from Isreal including making Gaza Strip, parts of Syria, parts of Lebenon, all of Jordan and all of Jordan to make it a big Jewish state They are pushing Netanyehu to the far right. What is Trump doing is actually doing what JDL wants. Trump needs to stop because he is gonna push all the Middle East against Isreal. The only thing is a 2 state solution, remove all illegal settlements out of the West Bank and Gaza.

Isn’t all the Middle East already against Israel to at least some extent?


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(08-21-2019 10:47 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There are even some Christians now who are anti Zionists which is stunning.

The biggest Zionist of all is Yahweh. Its written in the Bible from Genesis through Revelation.

This doesn't mean we agree with every decision Israel makes, but they are back in the land as the Bible said they would be 2500+ years ago (after a 1900 year diaspora across the world), and they will now remain in the land forever more. The Bible tells us another major war and holocaust is coming in the tribulation, but they will never be fully removed again, Jerusalem will never fully fall again, and Christ will reign over the whole earth from Jerusalem for 1000 years after the 2nd coming.

The Jews will accept Jesus as their Messiah in the end.

We live in bizzarro world.

(08-24-2019 08:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Zionist Terror Groups

Quote:Radical elements of Zionists have adopted terrorism; in our era it is common to associate terrorism with Muslims, but radical Zionist Jews actually introduced a great deal of terrorist methods and ideology to modernity.[25] In 1954 Israel hijacked a Syrian airways civilian jet to obtain hostages,[26] and in 1956 shot down an Egyptian civilian airplane, killing 16 civilians, in order to assassinate a military leader.[27][28] Moreover, without terrorism the State of Israel likely would not have come to exist in 1948. Zionist terrorism demonstrated that "terrorism can, in the right conditions and with the appropriate strategy and tactics, succeed in attaining at least some of its practitioners’ fundamental aims.”[29] Indeed, "[i]n the end, the [Zionist] terrorists got what they wanted."[30]

Quote:Pre-state Zionists carried out extensive terror against Arab civilians, the British and politically unacceptable Jews. They also murdered UN mediator Folke Bernadotte, who as head of the Swedish Red Cross during WWII had rescued thousands of concentration camp survivors.[31] In 1943 Yitzhak Shamir wrote the article Terror for the journal of Lehi — the terrorist organization he headed — and therein advocated the "dismiss[al of] all the 'phobia' and babble against terror with simple, obvious arguments." "Neither Jewish morality nor Jewish tradition can be used to disallow terror as a means of war," he wrote, and "We are very far from any moral hesitations when concerned with the national struggle." "First and foremost, terror is for us a part of the political war appropriate for the circumstances of today, and its task is a major one: it demonstrates in the clearest language, heard throughout the world including by our unfortunate brethren outside the gates of this country, our war against the occupier."[32]

Some of these thinking are incorperated into Israel military and politics.

Quote:The Jewish Defense League, a group labeled as terrorists by the FBI, has also been active in Israel in the past several decades. In 1994, JDL member Baruch Goldstein slaughtered 29 Muslims who were kneeling in prayer in a Hebron mosque.[34] Goldstein is revered as a hero by many Israelis, especially settlers.[35][36][37]

Most recentlyWikipedia's W.svg, Zionist terrorism has erupted among settlers staking claims on Palestinian land in the West Bank (and many of them were born in America).[38] According to Yuval Diskin, Israel’s former internal security service chief, many settlers "apply some level of violence or terrorism against the persons or possessions of Palestinians" and that these stand ready to also commit violence against Jews who are, in the terrorists' view, insufficiently Zionist. Diskin states that Jewish terrorists act with near impunity, that there are "two justice systems, one for Jews (Israeli law) and the other for Palestinians (martial law). Whether we want it or not, these two justice systems have divergent measures to adjudicate identical offenses."[39] For instance, Israeli citizens are subject to civilian trials and lesser legal penalties if convicted. Palestinians are subject to military trials and higher penalties.[40]

One example of this seeming double standard is a 2015 arson attack by settlers upon a family, killing a mother, father and toddler. For months, no one was charged for these murders, although a number of suspects were detained.[41] On December 3, 2015 three Jewish settlers were arrested for indirect involvement, and one was quickly released to house arrest in his home in an illegal settlement; another three were held for allegedly being directly involved.[42][43] In contrast with Israel's collective punishment policy for Palestinians,[44] the homes of the accused Jewish terrorists have not been demolished. A member of the Dawabshe family said "We don’t have any trust in the Israeli justice system any more – neither the courts, nor the army."[citation needed]

JDL Terror Group

Jewish Defense League used violence and bombings which is why they are on the FBI terror list. Some of these people went to Isreal and become the far right wing who wants to get rid of all non-Jews from Isreal including making Gaza Strip, parts of Syria, parts of Lebenon, all of Jordan and all of Jordan to make it a big Jewish state They are pushing Netanyehu to the far right. What is Trump doing is actually doing what JDL wants. Trump needs to stop because he is gonna push all the Middle East against Isreal. The only thing is a 2 state solution, remove all illegal settlements out of the West Bank and Gaza.

What does ANY of that have to do with the thread topic?