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Old mrs quarterback will be key. Didn't their qb graduate?
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(08-20-2019 07:29 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 06:42 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 05:12 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 03:18 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  “The loss of Henderson and Pollard will not be as significant as many think.” I thought no this statement is outright ridiculous. It’s like saying losing DRose and CDR wasn’t as significant as most believed.

Your understanding of the team is the only thing ridiculous. They were a Sweet 16 team the following year and if the coach hadn't tanked the game would've been Elite 8 or better.

You occasionally post things that make me think you aren't just throwing things out there to see what stick, but then you post this.

They went from a stone cold national championship team to being saved in first round by Roburt Sallie’s 8 threes. I saw both teams in person in Tournament play. They weren’t even close in talent or as a “ team”. Of course, losing 2 all Americans tends to do that to a team.

I believe in Gainwell but is he going to put up 1100 rushing yards and Patrick close to 2000?

First comparing basketball to football is stupid. Losing two stars on a basketball team is 40% of starters. Losing 2 stars on a football team isn't even 9%. Not to mention that the basketball team lost more than just those two players.
I seem to remember a non-starter bailing out the basketball team against Miss St in the second round of 2008 as well.

Second, no. They will simply see along the lines of the progression from 2016, the first season with Riley Ferguson to 2017 the second. The passing numbers will likely go up to make up the difference. I see Taylor rushing for between 1000 and 1500. Not to mention that Pollard didn't even rush for 600 last year. So, while we won't have 2 dominant backs, we will likely have 4 or so that pick up the slack.

But, to go back to your ridiculous basketball situation. It would be more like Rose returned for his second year and we lost CDR and AA. I think if we would've had Dorsey, Dozier and Rose to add to the rest of the team, that would've been an easy Elite 8 team. Since the FOOTBALL team has a QB returning that had a Top 5 season in Tiger history in his first year. Only the 3rd WR in Tiger history to go over 1,000 receiving yards. A RB who should go down as the 2nd leading rushing in Tiger history, not to mention solid players to go around them... I don't see it being nearly as drastic of a loss as you seem to want to believe. And that's just the offensive side of the ball. Add to all that an improved defense, even less of a hit on the loss of those two players.

“I seem to remember a non-starter bailing out the basketball team against Miss St in the second round of 2008 as well.”

Do you recall at least 2 CBB writers called the 2008’s team tournament run as being the most dominant they had ever seen? One in is HOF. Nearly every champion has a game like we did vs MSU. It’s six straight wins to get the Nattie. The fact we dominated the better teams shows the MSU game to be the outlier. Please don’t even compare those two teams. Because of the Perfect Storm the last 2 minutes of that game, most don’t realize it’s maybe the best college team since one and done became the norm. Could have used one more big reserve and it definitely would have been.

And to say that your 2 running backs/receiver were 9% of our football success is asinine. These guys were PLAYMAKERS and they are just don’t get that name on potential. And your whole argument is full of assumptions:

White will improve passing yards substantially.
Gainwell and 3 unnamed RBs will pick up the slack
This team will improve offensively like the Tigers did from Riley’s first to second year. And so on.

That’s a lot of assumptions. I hope you are right but those postulating it as fact are going out on a limb.
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If you think last years numbers are relevant....you would believe Memphis will not make the NCAA Tournament in Basketball. Those numbers are meaningless.
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(08-20-2019 10:32 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  If you think last years numbers are relevant....you would believe Memphis will not make the NCAA Tournament in Basketball. Those numbers are meaningless.

That was my long winded point regarding football.
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After seeing these numbers it is obvious Memphis is the far superior team mentally and physically and will totally dominate a very stupid, ugly and inept University of Mississippi football team, representing a state which is ranked, in most categories, the 48th, 49th or 50th worst state in the union, and this year Mississippi's feeble football team will match those rankings. I'm not even sure why they will wander up this way to the big city, they don't stand a chance.
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(08-20-2019 11:12 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 10:32 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  If you think last years numbers are relevant....you would believe Memphis will not make the NCAA Tournament in Basketball. Those numbers are meaningless.

That was my long winded point regarding football.

Yes, you blew us away with your point about basketball.
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(08-20-2019 06:42 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 05:12 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 03:18 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  “The loss of Henderson and Pollard will not be as significant as many think.” I thought no this statement is outright ridiculous. It’s like saying losing DRose and CDR wasn’t as significant as most believed.

Your understanding of the team is the only thing ridiculous. They were a Sweet 16 team the following year and if the coach hadn't tanked the game would've been Elite 8 or better.

You occasionally post things that make me think you aren't just throwing things out there to see what stick, but then you post this.

They went from a stone cold national championship team to being saved in first round by Roburt Sallie’s 8 threes. I saw both teams in person in Tournament play. They weren’t even close in talent or as a “ team”. Of course, losing 2 all Americans tends to do that to a team.

I believe in Gainwell but is he going to put up 1100 rushing yards and Patrick close to 2000?

Honestly, everything you say is dumb. You couldn't grasp the concept of Henderson continuing to improve and progress so it is no surprise that you are still clueless. Taylor will get more touches and will continue to improve. The only reason our other running backs didn't get many touches is because Henderson and Taylor were so lethal.

Everyone coming back should improve. If White and the wide receivers are better, it will make everyone else better. If the defense is better (it's impossible that it won't be), then the offense will have more and better opportunities to score.
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RE: Tigers vs Ole Miss by the numbers
(08-20-2019 03:18 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  “The loss of Henderson and Pollard will not be as significant as many think.” I thought no this statement is outright ridiculous. It’s like saying losing DRose and CDR wasn’t as significant as most believed.

Were you the one arguing at this time last year that Henderson was not an elite RB?
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(08-21-2019 08:02 AM)cmt Wrote:  After seeing these numbers it is obvious Memphis is the far superior team mentally and physically and will totally dominate a very stupid, ugly and inept University of Mississippi football team, representing a state which is ranked, in most categories, the 48th, 49th or 50th worst state in the union, and this year Mississippi's feeble football team will match those rankings. I'm not even sure why they will wander up this way to the big city, they don't stand a chance.

Hating on the state of Mississippi is rich coming from someone from Memphis. As a native Memphian and resident of Mississippi I find the irony overwhelming. At least I don’t have to worry about being shot in Mississippi.
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(08-21-2019 09:54 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 08:02 AM)cmt Wrote:  After seeing these numbers it is obvious Memphis is the far superior team mentally and physically and will totally dominate a very stupid, ugly and inept University of Mississippi football team, representing a state which is ranked, in most categories, the 48th, 49th or 50th worst state in the union, and this year Mississippi's feeble football team will match those rankings. I'm not even sure why they will wander up this way to the big city, they don't stand a chance.

Hating on the state of Mississippi is rich coming from someone from Memphis. As a native Memphian and resident of Mississippi I find the irony overwhelming. At least I don’t have to worry about being shot in Mississippi.

Most dangerous states in US
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(08-21-2019 09:54 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 08:02 AM)cmt Wrote:  After seeing these numbers it is obvious Memphis is the far superior team mentally and physically and will totally dominate a very stupid, ugly and inept University of Mississippi football team, representing a state which is ranked, in most categories, the 48th, 49th or 50th worst state in the union, and this year Mississippi's feeble football team will match those rankings. I'm not even sure why they will wander up this way to the big city, they don't stand a chance.

Hating on the state of Mississippi is rich coming from someone from Memphis. As a native Memphian and resident of Mississippi I find the irony overwhelming. At least I don’t have to worry about being shot in Mississippi.

I guess you hang out in Alabama then. 04-jawdrop 01-wingedeagle03-lmfao
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At least I don't have to worry about my cousin hitting on me in Memphis.
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(08-21-2019 10:30 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  At least I don't have to worry about my cousin hitting on me in Memphis.

I thought your kind did that as a right of passage?
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(08-21-2019 10:19 AM)geedog50 Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 09:54 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 08:02 AM)cmt Wrote:  After seeing these numbers it is obvious Memphis is the far superior team mentally and physically and will totally dominate a very stupid, ugly and inept University of Mississippi football team, representing a state which is ranked, in most categories, the 48th, 49th or 50th worst state in the union, and this year Mississippi's feeble football team will match those rankings. I'm not even sure why they will wander up this way to the big city, they don't stand a chance.

Hating on the state of Mississippi is rich coming from someone from Memphis. As a native Memphian and resident of Mississippi I find the irony overwhelming. At least I don’t have to worry about being shot in Mississippi.

I guess you hang out in Alabama then. 04-jawdrop 01-wingedeagle03-lmfao

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(08-20-2019 01:23 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 01:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Once again as usual in opening week games these are last year's final numbers. So we cannot read too much into them.

Seems that we should have a shootout with both teams having some offensive firepower.

Special teams could be a factor in the game.

The turnover game could also be big.

Very well could come down to a single stop by whichever defense stands up and makes that stop.

The loss of Henderson and Pollard will not be as significant as many think. Taylor will be able to take up much of the slack in the running game. Gainwell should be a lightning response to Taylor's thunder, while Samuel should do a good job replacing Pollard in the return game.

Tigers look solid at WR..

Another year in the system should give White a lot of confidence and he should improve on his 2018 numbers which already were a Tigers top 10 single-season performance.


Total Offense
Memphis 4th
Ole Miss 9th

Total Defense
Memphis 889th
Ole Miss 121st

Passing offense
Memphis 56th
Ole Miss 5th

Rushing Offense
Memphis 4th
Ole Miss 72nd

Passing Defense
Memphis 105th
Ole Miss 111th

Rushing Defense
Memphis 76th
Ole Miss 116th

Red Zone Offense
Memphis 23rd
Ole Miss 23rd

Red Zone Defense
Memphis 76th
Ole Miss 61st

Net Punting
Memphis 46th
Ole Miss 102nd

Punt Returns
Memphis 47th
Ole Miss 125th

Punt Return Defense
Memphis 79th
Ole Miss 124th

Blocked Punts
Memphis n/a
Ole Miss n/a

Blocked Punts Allowed
Memphis 107th
Ole Miss 56th

Kick Off Returns
Memphis 113th
Ole Miss 56th

Kick Off Return Defense
Memphis 16th
Ole Miss 119th

Turnover margin
Memphis 44th
Ole Miss 57th

Fumbles
Memphis 31st
Ole Miss 9th

Fumbles Recovered
Memphis 12th
Ole Miss 64th

Passes Had Intercepted
Memphis 53rd
Ole Miss 43rd

Passes Intercepted
Memphis 79th
Ole Miss 101st

Sacks
Memphis 32nd
Ole Miss 90th

Sacks allowed
Memphis 37th
Ole Miss 97th

ToP
Memphis 83rd
Ole Miss 122nd

Scoring Offense
Memphis 7th
Ole Miss 30th

Scoring Defense
Memphis 94th
Ole Miss 113th

So what is the point?

Here's the numbers for this year:
Total Offense
Memphis
Ole Miss

Total Defense
Memphis
Ole Miss

Passing offense
Memphis
Ole Miss

Rushing Offense
Memphis
Ole Miss

Passing Defense
Memphis
Ole Miss

Rushing Defense
Memphis
Ole Miss

Red Zone Offense
Memphis
Ole Miss

Red Zone Defense
Memphis
Ole Miss

Net Punting
Memphis
Ole Miss

Punt Returns
Memphis
Ole Miss

Punt Return Defense
Memphis
Ole Miss

Blocked Punts
Memphis
Ole Miss

Blocked Punts Allowed
Memphis
Ole Miss

Kick Off Returns
Memphis
Ole Miss

Kick Off Return Defense
Memphis
Ole Miss

Turnover margin
Memphis
Ole Miss

Fumbles
Memphis
Ole Miss

Fumbles Recovered
Memphis
Ole Miss

Passes Had Intercepted
Memphis
Ole Miss

Passes Intercepted
Memphis
Ole Miss

Sacks
Memphis
Ole Miss

Sacks allowed
Memphis
Ole Miss

ToP
Memphis
Ole Miss

Scoring Offense
Memphis
Ole Miss

Scoring Defense
Memphis
Ole Miss
I will say thank you for posting this. I appreciate it.

I was thinking Henderson would be hard to replace, but Pollard's success at Dallas is showing us just how good those two really were. It would be nice to have to more NFL quality players step up. Perhaps we will. I think it would wise to expect some drop off in both cases, but a little drop off should still give us players capable of competing given our schedule.
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(08-21-2019 10:38 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 10:30 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  At least I don't have to worry about my cousin hitting on me in Memphis.

I thought your kind did that as a right of passage?

No idea.

I'll defer to a citizen of the most backwards state in the US on incest though.
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(08-21-2019 10:45 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 10:38 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(08-21-2019 10:30 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  At least I don't have to worry about my cousin hitting on me in Memphis.

I thought your kind did that as a right of passage?

No idea.

I'll defer to a citizen of the most backwards state in the US on incest though.

How would I know about incest in Mississippi since my family lives in the third most dangerous city in America?
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I've lived in Memphis for going on thirteen years and have witnessed exactly zero acts of random violence.

Take away a few zip codes in the far south and far north parts of this city, places no one has to go to if you don't want to, and Memphis is little different than any other large place of people, re: crime.

Yet you think Memphis is Fallujah from your sh*thole DeSoto County.

We don't need you and we will never need you. Go away.
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(08-21-2019 11:13 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  I've lived in Memphis for going on thirteen years and have witnessed exactly zero acts of random violence.

Take away a few zip codes in the far south and far north parts of this city, places no one has to go to if you don't want to, and Memphis is little different than any other large place of people, re: crime.

Yet you think Memphis is Fallujah from your sh*thole DeSoto County.

We don't need you and we will never need you. Go away.

03-lmfao You sound like king willie.


I’ve been a member of this board longer than you have lived in Memphis. I owned a house there for 27 years.

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I don't care dude, I live here now. I lived in the exurbs growing up and everyone around me told me about the boogeymen who lived in the big dark city.

You're just a dumb*ss p*ssy who needs Memphis more than we need you.
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