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https://fortune.com/longform/business-ro...s-purpose/

The Business Roundtable changed its mission statement. Fortune Magazine and the CEOs are endorsing a form of fascism without the nationalism.

Rather than having millions of shareholders decide what to do, they want unelected CEOs pushing public policy. They want a coalition of powerful corporations and government, which is fascism.

"...On Aug. 19, the BRT announced a new purpose for the corporation and tossed the old one into the dustbin. The new statement is 300 words long, and shareholders aren’t mentioned until word 250. (Scroll to the bottom of this page to read the statement in its entirety.) Before that, the group refers to creating “value for customers,” “investing in employees,” fostering “diversity and inclusion,” “dealing fairly and ethically with suppliers,” “supporting the communities in which we work,” and “protect[ing] the environment....""

"That December, after the election, Fortune assembled roughly 100 big-company CEOs in Rome, at the encouragement of Pope Francis"<of liberation theology fame-communist not fascist>", and spent a day in working-group deliberations on how the private sector could address global social problems. The group—which included CEOs of Allstate, Barclays, Dow Chemical, IBM, Johnson & Johnson, Siemens, and many others—proposed ways that business could help reach the billions of people in the world who lacked basic financial services; support the effort to fight climate change; expand training programs for those whose jobs were threatened by technological change; and provide basic community health services to the half-billion people who had no access to care....


The aim of the gathering—in a very un–­Milton Friedman way—was to maximize not shareholder value but rather social impact. And many of the CEOs seemed genuinely eager to use their business platforms to make a difference...."

Some of that may indeed be true. But given the immense power large companies exercise in society, the new social consciousness of business surely should be seen as a step in the right direction. At a time when the nation’s political leadership is tied in knots, more interested in fighting partisan battles than in uniting to solve public problems, business leadership is filling the leadership vacuum."

The scary part-is their power.
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To me I see this as step 1 in the Communist game plan. If you can get the corporations to wield power over the common man, then the common man will turn to government to control the corporation. And that control would be done by a nationalization of corporations.
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(08-19-2019 12:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  To me I see this as step 1 in the Communist game plan. If you can get the corporations to wield power over the common man, then the common man will turn to government to control the corporation. And that control would be done by a nationalization of corporations.

Precisely...

It's all fun and games for those corporations until the gov't goes all Venezuela and comes in and takes over. Right now, we're seeing the liberals eat their own on small levels. What you're talking about is when it evolves to the macro level, and that is when widespread devastation begins.
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(08-19-2019 11:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://fortune.com/longform/business-ro...s-purpose/

The Business Roundtable changed its mission statement. Fortune Magazine and the CEOs are endorsing a form of fascism without the nationalism.

Rather than having millions of shareholders decide what to do, they want unelected CEOs pushing public policy. They want a coalition of powerful corporations and government, which is fascism.

"...On Aug. 19, the BRT announced a new purpose for the corporation and tossed the old one into the dustbin. The new statement is 300 words long, and shareholders aren’t mentioned until word 250. (Scroll to the bottom of this page to read the statement in its entirety.) Before that, the group refers to creating “value for customers,” “investing in employees,” fostering “diversity and inclusion,” “dealing fairly and ethically with suppliers,” “supporting the communities in which we work,” and “protect[ing] the environment....""

"That December, after the election, Fortune assembled roughly 100 big-company CEOs in Rome, at the encouragement of Pope Francis"<of liberation theology fame-communist not fascist>", and spent a day in working-group deliberations on how the private sector could address global social problems. The group—which included CEOs of Allstate, Barclays, Dow Chemical, IBM, Johnson & Johnson, Siemens, and many others—proposed ways that business could help reach the billions of people in the world who lacked basic financial services; support the effort to fight climate change; expand training programs for those whose jobs were threatened by technological change; and provide basic community health services to the half-billion people who had no access to care....


The aim of the gathering—in a very un–­Milton Friedman way—was to maximize not shareholder value but rather social impact. And many of the CEOs seemed genuinely eager to use their business platforms to make a difference...."

Some of that may indeed be true. But given the immense power large companies exercise in society, the new social consciousness of business surely should be seen as a step in the right direction. At a time when the nation’s political leadership is tied in knots, more interested in fighting partisan battles than in uniting to solve public problems, business leadership is filling the leadership vacuum."

The scary part-is their power.

The first rule of Sun Tzu is to, "Know your enemy." There is no dictator like a corporate dictator where those they claim to benefit have all of their privacy and rights stripped away and only the promise of corporate benevolence remains. They don't give a rat's butt about the people. They replace older experienced workers before they hit retirement age to save on payroll by replacing them with a younger less paid worker and to get them off of their group insurance programs to save bucks. On the other end they hire cheap labor and fire them for whatever reason they choose but the firing goes on their permanent work record which follows that worker when they apply at another corporate workplace at minimum wage.

Their control would become absolute and things like the Constitution (which they hate) would essentially be unenforceable in a world where corporations controlled the government.

I've been telling folks this since I've been here. I'm glad to see some waking up.

While Public Education is warping the minds of our young, Corporations have been buying more and more political favor within our government. It is the #1 reason corporate money should be prohibited from elections and lobbying.

Facebook, Google, and Amazon are essentially thumbing their noses at government now. If we don't put some constraints on them their invasion and abuse of your privacy and life will only grow.

Politicians at least have to rely upon you for a vote. Corporations don't even have that self interest where you are concerned. How many here enjoy trying to straighten out an issue with AT&T? Guess what when corporations run the world you will have even less success in handling issues with those who control and dominate you.

It will be like the Company Store at the Coal Mine. They'll own your credit lock stock and barrel by the ratings they give you, they'll control your purchases, and obliquely through the other members of their conglomerates they will control the employment of your children or maybe even you. You will live in constant fear over what they place in your or your families file and you will have no redress for grievance outside of a corporately owned board of arbitration, not even the courts will be open to you should you be able to afford them.

This should scare the crap out of everyone but since most won't understand why there is a threat their control will simply keep growing.

Wake up! Your future depends on it!

And just so you know nothing could be more disingenuous and self serving than their criticism of the gridlock between the two parties since it is the Corporate S.O.B.'s paying both parties to keep those arguments going over gender, sexuality, race, abortion, and the PC that the corporations gave birth to. And while all of this is going on these slimy mothers are utilizing sweat shops, reaping trade perks, buying more control, and stealing your security and freedom while 95% of the electorate focuses on the social issues debates which are being covered 24/7/365 by their corporately owned media outlets.

They are the authors of the gridlock they criticize and are using it to turn you off from your elected representation so they can swoop in as the rescuer and steal everything your free government grants to you.

These are the enemies of the poor because they will keep them poor until they have power and then they will find passive ways to let them die. They will enslave the middle class to the pay scale they set and strip them of property ownership because it gets in the way of them taking what they want for profit or resources. And in the end only the super wealthy will determine your future, not you.

These are your enemies. Now read the rest of Sun Tzu to figure out how to protect those you love.
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(08-19-2019 12:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  To me I see this as step 1 in the Communist game plan. If you can get the corporations to wield power over the common man, then the common man will turn to government to control the corporation. And that control would be done by a nationalization of corporations.

Exactly right. Straight out of the Venezuelan playbook most recently.
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(08-19-2019 12:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 11:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://fortune.com/longform/business-ro...s-purpose/

The Business Roundtable changed its mission statement. Fortune Magazine and the CEOs are endorsing a form of fascism without the nationalism.

Rather than having millions of shareholders decide what to do, they want unelected CEOs pushing public policy. They want a coalition of powerful corporations and government, which is fascism.

"...On Aug. 19, the BRT announced a new purpose for the corporation and tossed the old one into the dustbin. The new statement is 300 words long, and shareholders aren’t mentioned until word 250. (Scroll to the bottom of this page to read the statement in its entirety.) Before that, the group refers to creating “value for customers,” “investing in employees,” fostering “diversity and inclusion,” “dealing fairly and ethically with suppliers,” “supporting the communities in which we work,” and “protect[ing] the environment....""

"That December, after the election, Fortune assembled roughly 100 big-company CEOs in Rome, at the encouragement of Pope Francis"<of liberation theology fame-communist not fascist>", and spent a day in working-group deliberations on how the private sector could address global social problems. The group—which included CEOs of Allstate, Barclays, Dow Chemical, IBM, Johnson & Johnson, Siemens, and many others—proposed ways that business could help reach the billions of people in the world who lacked basic financial services; support the effort to fight climate change; expand training programs for those whose jobs were threatened by technological change; and provide basic community health services to the half-billion people who had no access to care....


The aim of the gathering—in a very un–­Milton Friedman way—was to maximize not shareholder value but rather social impact. And many of the CEOs seemed genuinely eager to use their business platforms to make a difference...."

Some of that may indeed be true. But given the immense power large companies exercise in society, the new social consciousness of business surely should be seen as a step in the right direction. At a time when the nation’s political leadership is tied in knots, more interested in fighting partisan battles than in uniting to solve public problems, business leadership is filling the leadership vacuum."

The scary part-is their power.

The first rule of Sun Tzu is to, "Know your enemy." There is no dictator like a corporate dictator where those they claim to benefit have all of their privacy and rights stripped away and only the promise of corporate benevolence remains. They don't give a rat's butt about the people. They replace older experienced workers before they hit retirement age to save on payroll by replacing them with a younger less paid worker and to get them off of their group insurance programs to save bucks. On the other end they hire cheap labor and fire them for whatever reason they choose but the firing goes on their permanent work record which follows that worker when they apply at another corporate workplace at minimum wage.

Their control would become absolute and things like the Constitution (which they hate) would essentially be unenforceable in a world where corporations controlled the government.

I've been telling folks this since I've been here. I'm glad to see some waking up.

While Public Education is warping the minds of our young, Corporations have been buying more and more political favor within our government. It is the #1 reason corporate money should be prohibited from elections and lobbying.

Facebook, Google, and Amazon are essentially thumbing their noses at government now. If we don't put some constraints on them their invasion and abuse of your privacy and life will only grow.

Politicians at least have to rely upon you for a vote. Corporations don't even have that self interest where you are concerned. How many here enjoy trying to straighten out an issue with AT&T? Guess what when corporations run the world you will have even less success in handling issues with those who control and dominate you.

It will be like the Company Store at the Coal Mine. They'll own your credit lock stock and barrel by the ratings they give you, they'll control your purchases, and obliquely through the other members of their conglomerates they will control the employment of your children or maybe even you. You will live in constant fear over what they place in your or your families file and you will have no redress for grievance outside of a corporately owned board of arbitration, not even the courts will be open to you should you be able to afford them.

This should scare the crap out of everyone but since most won't understand why there is a threat their control will simply keep growing.

Wake up! Your future depends on it!

And just so you know nothing could be more disingenuous and self serving than their criticism of the gridlock between the two parties since it is the Corporate S.O.B.'s paying both parties to keep those arguments going over gender, sexuality, race, abortion, and the PC that the corporations gave birth to. And while all of this is going on these slimy mothers are utilizing sweat shops, reaping trade perks, buying more control, and stealing your security and freedom while 95% of the electorate focuses on the social issues debates which are being covered 24/7/365 by their corporately owned media outlets.

They are the authors of the gridlock they criticize and are using it to turn you off from your elected representation so they can swoop in as the rescuer and steal everything your free government grants to you.

These are the enemies of the poor because they will keep them poor until they have power and then they will find passive ways to let them die. They will enslave the middle class to the pay scale they set and strip them of property ownership because it gets in the way of them taking what they want for profit or resources. And in the end only the super wealthy will determine your future, not you.

These are your enemies. Now read the rest of Sun Tzu to figure out how to protect those you love.

We would do well to pay heed here : "6. There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.".
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Remember in all the places that socialism has failed, it wasn't real socialism, only in places where socialists have claimed it's flourished is real socialism...

Also remember.. The ACA was testing the waters.. That was a socialist program.. Failed miserably.
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(08-20-2019 10:51 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Remember in all the places that socialism has failed, it wasn't real socialism, only in places where socialists have claimed it's flourished is real socialism...

Also remember.. The ACA was testing the waters.. That was a socialist program.. Failed miserably.

Where exactly has socialism ever flourished??? A Kibbutz is really more of a camp than a socialist state, and the Amish may help one another but are hardly running a socialist community.
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(08-20-2019 10:51 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Remember in all the places that socialism has failed, it wasn't real socialism, only in places where socialists have claimed it's flourished is real socialism...

Also remember.. The ACA was testing the waters.. That was a socialist program.. Failed miserably.

Where exactly has socialism ever flourished??? A Kibbutz is really more of a camp than a socialist state, and the Amish may help one another but are hardly running a socialist community.

Honestly I don’t know but some here cite Finland and Sweden I think.
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(08-20-2019 02:10 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 02:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 10:51 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Remember in all the places that socialism has failed, it wasn't real socialism, only in places where socialists have claimed it's flourished is real socialism...
Also remember.. The ACA was testing the waters.. That was a socialist program.. Failed miserably.
Where exactly has socialism ever flourished??? A Kibbutz is really more of a camp than a socialist state, and the Amish may help one another but are hardly running a socialist community.
Honestly I don’t know but some here cite Finland and Sweden I think.

Finland and Sweden are not socialist. They are not about massive redistribution of income and/or wealth, nor are they about state ownership of the means of production. They are capitalist with a safety net.
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(08-20-2019 02:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 02:10 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 02:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 10:51 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Remember in all the places that socialism has failed, it wasn't real socialism, only in places where socialists have claimed it's flourished is real socialism...
Also remember.. The ACA was testing the waters.. That was a socialist program.. Failed miserably.
Where exactly has socialism ever flourished??? A Kibbutz is really more of a camp than a socialist state, and the Amish may help one another but are hardly running a socialist community.
Honestly I don’t know but some here cite Finland and Sweden I think.

Finland and Sweden are not socialist. They are not about massive redistribution of income and/or wealth, nor are they about state ownership of the means of production. They are capitalist with a safety net.

France is more socialist than Sweden.

If you look at State Owned Enterprises as a percent of the economy, Norway leads Europe because of the size of its oil industry.

It's followed by Latvia, Estonia, Finland, France, and Hungary. Sweden is in the next group along with Czech, Slovakia, & Italy.

But Finland & Sweden don't have the laws that Spain, Italy, and Greece have that make it nearly impossible to fire an employee. Basically everyone who gets a job gets to keep it for life. That's why unemployment is so high in those countries.
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(08-20-2019 02:10 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 02:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 10:51 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Remember in all the places that socialism has failed, it wasn't real socialism, only in places where socialists have claimed it's flourished is real socialism...

Also remember.. The ACA was testing the waters.. That was a socialist program.. Failed miserably.

Where exactly has socialism ever flourished??? A Kibbutz is really more of a camp than a socialist state, and the Amish may help one another but are hardly running a socialist community.

Honestly I don’t know but some here cite Finland and Sweden I think.

Doesn't Finland have one of the lowest birth rates and highest suicide rates?

Doesn't Sweden have no go rape zones?
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(08-20-2019 02:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 10:51 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Remember in all the places that socialism has failed, it wasn't real socialism, only in places where socialists have claimed it's flourished is real socialism...

Also remember.. The ACA was testing the waters.. That was a socialist program.. Failed miserably.

Where exactly has socialism ever flourished??? A Kibbutz is really more of a camp than a socialist state, and the Amish may help one another but are hardly running a socialist community.
Nowhere really. Guessing tribes in the Amazon or on some of those small islands are kinda socialist in practice. There is government of course.
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I think the OP is a fairly extreme interpretation of the statement.

MOST businesses understand that being a good member of the community, treating your employees and business partners fairly and other things are good for business. It costs a lot less to retain most employees than to replace them.... skilled ones anyway.

Diversity and inclusion isn't about gender and race, it's more about accepting that good ideas can come from anywhere along the chain. a diversity of opinions and perspectives, properly channeled, is a good thing.
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(08-20-2019 04:53 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I think the OP is a fairly extreme interpretation of the statement.

MOST businesses understand that being a good member of the community, treating your employees and business partners fairly and other things are good for business. It costs a lot less to retain most employees than to replace them.... skilled ones anyway.

Diversity and inclusion isn't about gender and race, it's more about accepting that good ideas can come from anywhere along the chain. a diversity of opinions and perspectives, properly channeled, is a good thing.

Get back to me in 20 years and let me know how you feel then. What you say is more true of regional and local business. Large international corporations don't care what you think or feel, but they do care about who thy do business with at the macro level thinks about them. And their personnel policies, including evaluations are something I've worked with. The larger the scope of a corporation or conglomerate the less empathy they have at the grassroots. It's just the way it is.

And I might add that the larger they are the more they see nation states and their policies as annoying encumbrances to their growth and profit. And that's a dangerous attitude that puts the welfare of the nation and its people in a subordinate priority to their quarterly statement.
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(08-20-2019 05:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 04:53 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I think the OP is a fairly extreme interpretation of the statement.

MOST businesses understand that being a good member of the community, treating your employees and business partners fairly and other things are good for business. It costs a lot less to retain most employees than to replace them.... skilled ones anyway.

Diversity and inclusion isn't about gender and race, it's more about accepting that good ideas can come from anywhere along the chain. a diversity of opinions and perspectives, properly channeled, is a good thing.

Get back to me in 20 years and let me know how you feel then. What you say is more true of regional and local business. Large international corporations don't care what you think or feel, but they do care about who thy do business with at the macro level thinks about them. And their personnel policies, including evaluations are something I've worked with. The larger the scope of a corporation or conglomerate the less empathy they have at the grassroots. It's just the way it is.

And I might add that the larger they are the more they see nation states and their policies as annoying encumbrances to their growth and profit. And that's a dangerous attitude that puts the welfare of the nation and its people in a subordinate priority to their quarterly statement.

in 20 years I probably won't care lol

Mission statements etc aren't written for boards of directors. They're written for the masses. Even a large corporation has local offices and small businesses... and it's the job of people like me to embrace the cold hard corporation while still motivating the local worker and customers.

Corporations like you're speaking of stand on people's necks and demand results... but you GET those results by having invested employees and customers who think you value them
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(08-20-2019 06:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 05:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 04:53 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I think the OP is a fairly extreme interpretation of the statement.

MOST businesses understand that being a good member of the community, treating your employees and business partners fairly and other things are good for business. It costs a lot less to retain most employees than to replace them.... skilled ones anyway.

Diversity and inclusion isn't about gender and race, it's more about accepting that good ideas can come from anywhere along the chain. a diversity of opinions and perspectives, properly channeled, is a good thing.

Get back to me in 20 years and let me know how you feel then. What you say is more true of regional and local business. Large international corporations don't care what you think or feel, but they do care about who thy do business with at the macro level thinks about them. And their personnel policies, including evaluations are something I've worked with. The larger the scope of a corporation or conglomerate the less empathy they have at the grassroots. It's just the way it is.

And I might add that the larger they are the more they see nation states and their policies as annoying encumbrances to their growth and profit. And that's a dangerous attitude that puts the welfare of the nation and its people in a subordinate priority to their quarterly statement.

in 20 years I probably won't care lol

Mission statements etc aren't written for boards of directors. They're written for the masses. Even a large corporation has local offices and small businesses... and it's the job of people like me to embrace the cold hard corporation while still motivating the local worker and customers.

Corporations like you're speaking of stand on people's necks and demand results... but you GET those results by having invested employees and customers who think you value them

I perceive you as still having kids at home. I have grown grandchildren. The kinds of corporations I'm talking about do have people at the local level who make things run and try to put a good face out for the public, but they also are, and operate as, monoliths who buy political favors, throw their weight around, and do solely what is in their self interests, which does sometimes conflict with what's best for the nation. I give you AT&T as the poster child of an unresponsive monolith which is completely out of touch with its consumer. I give you Google as one whose international interests are in direct conflict with the security of the country. When they get that big their innovation slackens and their force and connections are used to keep business. At that point they stifle less funded innovative companies and abuse their power to remain viable. We need anti-trust to return. There are too many too big to fail today, but they are also getting too big to be useful, at least in constructive ways.
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(08-20-2019 04:53 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I think the OP is a fairly extreme interpretation of the statement.

MOST businesses understand that being a good member of the community, treating your employees and business partners fairly and other things are good for business. It costs a lot less to retain most employees than to replace them.... skilled ones anyway.

Diversity and inclusion isn't about gender and race, it's more about accepting that good ideas can come from anywhere along the chain. a diversity of opinions and perspectives, properly channeled, is a good thing.


"....spent a day in working-group deliberations on how the private sector could address global social problems. The group—which included CEOs of Allstate, Barclays, Dow Chemical, IBM, Johnson & Johnson, Siemens, and many others—proposed ways that business could help reach the billions of people in the world who lacked basic financial services; support the effort to fight climate change; expand training programs for those whose jobs were threatened by technological change; and provide basic community health services to the half-billion people who had no access to care.

The aim of the gathering—in a very un–­Milton Friedman way—was to maximize not shareholder value but rather social impact. And many of the CEOs seemed genuinely eager to use their business platforms to make a difference...."


In that light, it’s perhaps no wonder that Salesforce’s Benioff publicly took on a “religious liberties” law in Indiana that he viewed as discriminating against gay people. Or that Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan publicly objected when the legislature in North Carolina, the bank’s home base, passed a bill limiting transgender access to public bathrooms. Or that Delta CEO Ed Bastian battled with his home-state Georgia legislature when he discontinued a discount program for the National Rifle Association. Or that Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier withdrew from President Trump’s advisory council after the President’s equivocal comments about the Charlottesville riots...."

The first section is fascism. The last paragraph is purely political, which, corporations uniting with political parties, is fascism.

I'm not overstating it a bit. None of this stuff has to do with treating your employees fairly. In fact, few of the Fortune 500 treat their employees well. Treating your employees well is good business, not social justice. Being fair with your suppliers is also good business, not social justice. Recruiting a diverse workforce is both good business and social justice. But companies like Google have no interest in recruiting a diverse workforce. They drive out those with differing opinions.
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RE: Corporate CEOs and Fortune endorse facism
(08-20-2019 06:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 06:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 05:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 04:53 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I think the OP is a fairly extreme interpretation of the statement.

MOST businesses understand that being a good member of the community, treating your employees and business partners fairly and other things are good for business. It costs a lot less to retain most employees than to replace them.... skilled ones anyway.

Diversity and inclusion isn't about gender and race, it's more about accepting that good ideas can come from anywhere along the chain. a diversity of opinions and perspectives, properly channeled, is a good thing.

Get back to me in 20 years and let me know how you feel then. What you say is more true of regional and local business. Large international corporations don't care what you think or feel, but they do care about who thy do business with at the macro level thinks about them. And their personnel policies, including evaluations are something I've worked with. The larger the scope of a corporation or conglomerate the less empathy they have at the grassroots. It's just the way it is.

And I might add that the larger they are the more they see nation states and their policies as annoying encumbrances to their growth and profit. And that's a dangerous attitude that puts the welfare of the nation and its people in a subordinate priority to their quarterly statement.

in 20 years I probably won't care lol

Mission statements etc aren't written for boards of directors. They're written for the masses. Even a large corporation has local offices and small businesses... and it's the job of people like me to embrace the cold hard corporation while still motivating the local worker and customers.

Corporations like you're speaking of stand on people's necks and demand results... but you GET those results by having invested employees and customers who think you value them

I perceive you as still having kids at home. I have grown grandchildren. The kinds of corporations I'm talking about do have people at the local level who make things run and try to put a good face out for the public, but they also are, and operate as, monoliths who buy political favors, throw their weight around, and do solely what is in their self interests, which does sometimes conflict with what's best for the nation. I give you AT&T as the poster child of an unresponsive monolith which is completely out of touch with its consumer. I give you Google as one whose international interests are in direct conflict with the security of the country. When they get that big their innovation slackens and their force and connections are used to keep business. At that point they stifle less funded innovative companies and abuse their power to remain viable. We need anti-trust to return. There are too many too big to fail today, but they are also getting to big to be useful, at least in constructive ways.

Anybody who is too big to fail is too big not to split up with anti-trust.
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RE: Corporate CEOs and Fortune endorse facism
(08-20-2019 06:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 06:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 06:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 05:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 04:53 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I think the OP is a fairly extreme interpretation of the statement.

MOST businesses understand that being a good member of the community, treating your employees and business partners fairly and other things are good for business. It costs a lot less to retain most employees than to replace them.... skilled ones anyway.

Diversity and inclusion isn't about gender and race, it's more about accepting that good ideas can come from anywhere along the chain. a diversity of opinions and perspectives, properly channeled, is a good thing.

Get back to me in 20 years and let me know how you feel then. What you say is more true of regional and local business. Large international corporations don't care what you think or feel, but they do care about who thy do business with at the macro level thinks about them. And their personnel policies, including evaluations are something I've worked with. The larger the scope of a corporation or conglomerate the less empathy they have at the grassroots. It's just the way it is.

And I might add that the larger they are the more they see nation states and their policies as annoying encumbrances to their growth and profit. And that's a dangerous attitude that puts the welfare of the nation and its people in a subordinate priority to their quarterly statement.

in 20 years I probably won't care lol

Mission statements etc aren't written for boards of directors. They're written for the masses. Even a large corporation has local offices and small businesses... and it's the job of people like me to embrace the cold hard corporation while still motivating the local worker and customers.

Corporations like you're speaking of stand on people's necks and demand results... but you GET those results by having invested employees and customers who think you value them

I perceive you as still having kids at home. I have grown grandchildren. The kinds of corporations I'm talking about do have people at the local level who make things run and try to put a good face out for the public, but they also are, and operate as, monoliths who buy political favors, throw their weight around, and do solely what is in their self interests, which does sometimes conflict with what's best for the nation. I give you AT&T as the poster child of an unresponsive monolith which is completely out of touch with its consumer. I give you Google as one whose international interests are in direct conflict with the security of the country. When they get that big their innovation slackens and their force and connections are used to keep business. At that point they stifle less funded innovative companies and abuse their power to remain viable. We need anti-trust to return. There are too many too big to fail today, but they are also getting to big to be useful, at least in constructive ways.

Anybody who is too big to fail is too big not to split up with anti-trust.

Precisely!
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