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RE: Jon Gilbert tenure @ USM
(08-17-2019 08:59 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 08:32 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  I am hearing nearly the exact opposite of what is transpiring here in Greenville so far.

Are you guys saying he did little because he had little?

Just saying that what you guys are saying about his tenure there just isn't matching up with what I am seeing in Greenville so far.

Then why come here and ask the question? If he’s y’alls real deal you don’t need our approval. Good for y’all if he’s working out.

Well, the lukewarm responses about him on here when the hire was made had me in one frame of mind, but up until now everything he's had his hands on here seems to be completely opposite of what getting brought up about him.

After the Compher era, anything is an improvement, but the discussions about him coming from you guys versus what I am seeing here feel like mixed messages but I'm not quite ready to chalk it to being as simple as haters gonna hate.
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I can assure you, this isn’t a haters gonna hate situation. He may lead your program to new heights, and I hope he does because I respect ECU. But that doesn’t nullify what he accomplished at USM, which was zero.
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You came here and asked us questions, we answered them as we see it. Now, good luck to your program, you are going to need it. You can see that the overwhelming majority of our posters that responded here were not impressed with him as you are. That ought to give you some insight.
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I said to myself when that tird was first hired "How is someone from a program with unlimited funds supposed to be able to make magic happen at Southern Miss with hardly nothing?" And to make things worse, the guy was hired from Alabama. Im sure that gave him perfect insight into how things work at USM LOL. Empty Suit!
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RE: Jon Gilbert tenure @ USM
(08-18-2019 08:58 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 08:59 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 08:32 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  I am hearing nearly the exact opposite of what is transpiring here in Greenville so far.

Are you guys saying he did little because he had little?

Just saying that what you guys are saying about his tenure there just isn't matching up with what I am seeing in Greenville so far.

Then why come here and ask the question? If he’s y’alls real deal you don’t need our approval. Good for y’all if he’s working out.

Well, the lukewarm responses about him on here when the hire was made had me in one frame of mind, but up until now everything he's had his hands on here seems to be completely opposite of what getting brought up about him.

After the Compher era, anything is an improvement, but the discussions about him coming from you guys versus what I am seeing here feel like mixed messages but I'm not quite ready to chalk it to being as simple as haters gonna hate.
Most USM fans have great respect for ECU. I know that I certainly do and only wish your program the best. But this guy was not good for us at all. The worst athletic director we have had in the last 20 years hands down. We learned some valuable lessons from the E loss Johnson debacle. Cut your losses fast is one. :lmfao:Some pun intended
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What does it matter? He's your AD now.
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I feel like he did alot of talking, but like Will Arnett in the episode of "The Office" when he interviewed for Michael's job, he didn't elaborate much on what he wanted to do..
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(08-18-2019 07:54 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(08-18-2019 03:29 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Based on Southern Miss' experience, I guess it is good that he did not land at a school that has money problems. Oh, wait.

http://www.reflector.com/News/2019/05/06...enges.html
Only for a short time my friend. You 49's sure are in ECU's wallet allot. If you are that concerned how about make a donation.

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I believe he was the guy that essentially said, "Give me a year to figure it out and I will have a plan."

Then he left.

I have no way of knowing, but I assume he wasnt very fond of our financial position and the fan base's lack of financial commitment to the athletic department.

Wish him well, but like others said, he wasn't a good fit at USM.
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(08-19-2019 08:53 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  
(08-18-2019 07:54 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(08-18-2019 03:29 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Based on Southern Miss' experience, I guess it is good that he did not land at a school that has money problems. Oh, wait.

http://www.reflector.com/News/2019/05/06...enges.html
Only for a short time my friend. You 49's sure are in ECU's wallet allot. If you are that concerned how about make a donation.

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To show my solidarity with the Pirate faithful I am also going to sit on my wallet. You will need to raid non-athletic funds if you want enough money to fund your program. However, I will buy a pound of bacon to help your swine farmers out--but mostly because, well bacon.

You seem more a turkey bacon kind of guy. Need to keep that blood pressure down. Like that article states, we have new leadership that has been put in place to correct our financial issues. Stay diligent like you have in following ECU finances and watch us grow.
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(08-17-2019 11:33 AM)Colonel Angus Wrote:  One if his biggest flaws was that he just didn’t get or understand the culture at S. Miss. He was unable to relate and on occasions just socially awkward. His crowing glory at USM was likely his ability to secure a nice contract with Adidas. He has shown that he can be successful at a place that has resources, but not at an institution that needs out of the box thinking and discovery and development of new revenue streams.

And the crowning glory moment fell into his lap. Our contract was expiring so it wasn’t like he went out specifically trying to improve it. Russell athletics got out of the college contracts so a new one was going to be signed regardless with either Adidas or UA. Nike probably never entered the conversation as we dropped them to sign the Russell one 5 or so years ago.
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(08-20-2019 08:04 AM)usm99 Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 11:33 AM)Colonel Angus Wrote:  One if his biggest flaws was that he just didn’t get or understand the culture at S. Miss. He was unable to relate and on occasions just socially awkward. His crowing glory at USM was likely his ability to secure a nice contract with Adidas. He has shown that he can be successful at a place that has resources, but not at an institution that needs out of the box thinking and discovery and development of new revenue streams.

And the crowning glory moment fell into his lap. Our contract was expiring so it wasn’t like he went out specifically trying to improve it. Russell athletics got out of the college contracts so a new one was going to be signed regardless with either Adidas or UA. Nike probably never entered the conversation as we dropped them to sign the Russell one 5 or so years ago.
I kinda wish at times we'd went with UA...
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(08-20-2019 08:20 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 08:04 AM)usm99 Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 11:33 AM)Colonel Angus Wrote:  One if his biggest flaws was that he just didn’t get or understand the culture at S. Miss. He was unable to relate and on occasions just socially awkward. His crowing glory at USM was likely his ability to secure a nice contract with Adidas. He has shown that he can be successful at a place that has resources, but not at an institution that needs out of the box thinking and discovery and development of new revenue streams.

And the crowning glory moment fell into his lap. Our contract was expiring so it wasn’t like he went out specifically trying to improve it. Russell athletics got out of the college contracts so a new one was going to be signed regardless with either Adidas or UA. Nike probably never entered the conversation as we dropped them to sign the Russell one 5 or so years ago.
I kinda wish at times we'd went with UA...

Anything was better than freaking Russell. The Russell uni's we had in '15-'17 weren't that bad...but they were still Russell. The only Russell unis that really looked good were the Russell 90s throwbacks we wore vs. UNT in 2017 - those were sweet. The Russell uni's we had in '13-14 were the worst gd uniforms we've ever had in USM's history. Oddly enough, Nike's last year with us (2012, a season we'd all like to forget), those throwbacks were sweet.
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(08-20-2019 10:25 AM)TTT Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 08:20 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(08-20-2019 08:04 AM)usm99 Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 11:33 AM)Colonel Angus Wrote:  One if his biggest flaws was that he just didn’t get or understand the culture at S. Miss. He was unable to relate and on occasions just socially awkward. His crowing glory at USM was likely his ability to secure a nice contract with Adidas. He has shown that he can be successful at a place that has resources, but not at an institution that needs out of the box thinking and discovery and development of new revenue streams.

And the crowning glory moment fell into his lap. Our contract was expiring so it wasn’t like he went out specifically trying to improve it. Russell athletics got out of the college contracts so a new one was going to be signed regardless with either Adidas or UA. Nike probably never entered the conversation as we dropped them to sign the Russell one 5 or so years ago.
I kinda wish at times we'd went with UA...

Anything was better than freaking Russell. The Russell uni's we had in '15-'17 weren't that bad...but they were still Russell. The only Russell unis that really looked good were the Russell 90s throwbacks we wore vs. UNT in 2017 - those were sweet. The Russell uni's we had in '13-14 were the worst gd uniforms we've ever had in USM's history. Oddly enough, Nike's last year with us (2012, a season we'd all like to forget), those throwbacks were sweet.

I think the first season with Russell I made a trip to Hattiesburg and went to a game.. I bought a simple black moisture wicking polo with the helmet logo on it.. To me it looked better than some of the other stuff they put out there...
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Gilbert was at USM for 22 months. Its interesting because the guy is all over the place at ECU. But i here you, sounds like USm had different needs than ECU does at the moment.
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I hope he does well for you, but he was a total failure at USM.
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RE: Jon Gilbert tenure @ USM
(08-19-2019 09:15 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(08-19-2019 08:53 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  
(08-18-2019 07:54 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  
(08-18-2019 03:29 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Based on Southern Miss' experience, I guess it is good that he did not land at a school that has money problems. Oh, wait.

http://www.reflector.com/News/2019/05/06...enges.html
Only for a short time my friend. You 49's sure are in ECU's wallet allot. If you are that concerned how about make a donation.

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To show my solidarity with the Pirate faithful I am also going to sit on my wallet. You will need to raid non-athletic funds if you want enough money to fund your program. However, I will buy a pound of bacon to help your swine farmers out--but mostly because, well bacon.

You seem more a turkey bacon kind of guy. Need to keep that blood pressure down. Like that article states, we have new leadership that has been put in place to correct our financial issues. Stay diligent like you have in following ECU finances and watch us grow.

What's funny is many school collect tons more in student fee's. UNCC collects about 6 million more a year off the backs of their student's fees ie "non athletic funds" than ECU and they can't stop talk about a one time 13 million dollar allocation by the school. Much of this money comes from students in one way or the other, there really is no difference than swipping 50 dollars more a semester in student fee's.

As far as Gilbert, Dave Hart who was a defining figure at ECU as well as Florida State, Alabama and Tennessee and came back to ECU, hired Dooley and hand picked Gilbert as his successor after he was his right hand man at Tennesse and Alabama. That's enough for me. I don't look at him getting his on the job training at USM for 22 months as a bad thing in that context. Let him get the kinks and newbie mistakes worked out there before he gets to us if there were any which no one has shown evidence he really did anything that terrible. Compher was terrible I can list many disasters there if you want to see what a terrible AD looks like, just read the that finance article. He put us in that shape.

What did Gilbert do in his first order of business here, he hired Mike Houston who has been to 3 national title games in 8 years. That's a pretty good start IMO and that should help us win and correct the finances.
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Gilbert spent his time at Southern Miss accumulating data and coming up with a long range plan and vision for the athletics dept that nobody that I'm aware of ever saw.

Our new AD seems to be much more active in getting things done and we will see what happens with attendance in a few months.

It seems that ECU fans are pleased with Gilbert. That's great. I think he is a good guy that didn't realize what he was walking into in H'burg and was severely out of his element.

Southern Miss fans are extremely pleased with Gilbert's replacement and feel that he has already done much more that Gilbert did during his tenure.

Let's reconvene in 2 or 3 years and see what we all have to say about these guys at that point. [/i]
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NC is an interesting sports state in that it has 4 P5/ACC schools, and 3 G5 schools. The G5 schools--ECU, App State and Charlotte--all have just hired new ADs, Football and Basketball coaches in the last 18 months (except App's AD in 2015). Charlotte and ECU feel certain we have significantly upgraded across the board, and App believes they have replaced their football coach with an equal. Doubtful that we are all correct. We should know if Gilbert is any good pretty soon. And Hill (Charlotte) and Gillan (App) too.
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One thing that is nice about our situation is Dave Hart is still at ECU in an advisory role and it's pretty seamless that his hand picked successor and former right hand man at Alabama and Tennessee will have him around as a consultant in continuing many of the same clean up policies Hart put in place as our interim AD. Hart and his 3 decades of experience as AD at ECU, Florida State, Tennessee and Alabama are still at use and is on the payroll to help Gilbert with a vest interest in seeing him succeed as it's part of his legacy here. Gilbert likely trust him enough to take his advice too with their relationship. This is probably something Compher never did when Holland was still on the payroll and a paid resource.
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