Some here, well, Mach the Unwell, think that our president, President Trump, said that ‘neo nazis’ and ‘white supremecists’ were very fine people. This did not happen. Will any leftists on this board disavow?

No, they will double down.

(08-15-2019 12:11 AM)VCE Wrote:  Some here, well, Mach the Unwell, think that our president, President Trump, said that ‘neo nazis’ and ‘white supremecists’ were very fine people. This did not happen. Will any leftists on this board disavow?

Nope.. I've posted "The Fine People Hoax" a few times and they usually abandon thread.

Their very existence is predicated on lies. To admit the lies would be counter productive for them. So they go on to another lie and know that some of the useful idiots will never discover the truth. To them a lie is not immoral. It is just a tool to be used to advance their agenda.

But Russia hacked our election!

That’s not a lie, that’s a fact!


(Backed up by no one and nothing)

.....when you have no workable policies or good reasons why the people should choose them to govern, the Alinsky rules are to lie and hope enough ignorant people buy it. It really is amazing.

Why does trump get away with lies so often?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/b...-meddlers/

And the media pays no attention to the hypocrisy of the Democrats who have proven cases of election meddling and collusion with foreign governments, including the USSR. Collusions by Carter in 76, Kennedy in 84 and 88 (extensively in 84). Clinton and Obama meddling in Israel and Russia elections.

Name a few, maybe someone can help you out.


Be amazed if any can even get in the zip code of “like your plan, can keep your plan”, seven (maybe more) plans later

(08-15-2019 12:11 AM)VCE Wrote:  Some here, well, Mach the Unwell, think that our president, President Trump, said that ‘neo nazis’ and ‘white supremecists’ were very fine people. This did not happen. Will any leftists on this board disavow?

He said that people "on both sides had very fine people" which was in reference to liberal protesters vs. people marching alongside Nazis and white supremacists.







So it IS incorrect to say he outright said nazis and wsup were fine people. But it's also nonsense to pretend like the marchers AT THAT EVENT were anything besides neonazis and wsup's. We've all seen the videos. No one walks up to a group wearing swastikas and says "Hey I might not be a wsup or a Nazi but can I march with you anyway? I disavow all of your evil tho, tbh".


AT THE VERY BEST, Trump gave neonazis and wp's an accidental wink of support.


AT THE VERY WORST, Trump gave an endorsement to creepy ******* rallies like this one was.

Because the people who control the conversations....

The press, social media etc etc etc are all complicit.

I was watching ABC the other night and some Republican with a supposed history of poor comments, you know... like Biden.... made another of those FACTUALLY TRUE statements, but politically incorrect and the worst part is 'how' he said it... I don't really know WHY he said it... and don't care....

but despite quoting him saying Trump doesn't support him... and the media saying that while Trump hasn't disavowed the guy, he also has never said anything positive about him either.... the 'summary'/headline of the story was that Trump WON'T disavow this guy.

BTW, his comment was along the lines of 'take incest and rape out of human history and the human race may not have survived'. This statement has some basis in fact... The idea is that we are all essentially descendants of (take your pick) a very small number of genetic anomalies reproducing, OR two humans created by God.... but it's an incredibly crass comment and I have no idea the context as to why (other than as an academic comment) someone would say such a thing...

but the bigger issue is, why is Trump somehow responsible for the guys comment?

(08-15-2019 08:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 12:11 AM)VCE Wrote:  Some here, well, Mach the Unwell, think that our president, President Trump, said that ‘neo nazis’ and ‘white supremecists’ were very fine people. This did not happen. Will any leftists on this board disavow?

He said that people "on both sides had very fine people" which was in reference to liberal protesters vs. people marching alongside Nazis and white supremacists.







So it IS incorrect to say he outright said nazis and wsup were fine people. But it's also nonsense to pretend like the marchers AT THAT EVENT were anything besides neonazis and wsup's. We've all seen the videos. No one walks up to a group wearing swastikas and says "Hey I might not be a wsup or a Nazi but can I march with you anyway? I disavow all of your evil tho, tbh".


AT THE VERY BEST, Trump gave neonazis and wp's an accidental wink of support.


AT THE VERY WORST, Trump gave an endorsement to creepy ******* rallies like this one was.

He also says in the video 40 seconds after the "fine people on both sides", I'm not talking about the white supremacists or neo nazis.

I know words are hard for you since you stated you'd leave for good if HRC lost, but I can't make it any simplier than that for you.

(08-15-2019 12:11 AM)VCE Wrote:  Some here, well, Mach the Unwell, think that our president, President Trump, said that ‘neo nazis’ and ‘white supremecists’ were very fine people. This did not happen. Will any leftists on this board disavow?

Very fine people on both sides?

What’s the problem?

(08-15-2019 08:56 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 08:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 12:11 AM)VCE Wrote:  Some here, well, Mach the Unwell, think that our president, President Trump, said that ‘neo nazis’ and ‘white supremecists’ were very fine people. This did not happen. Will any leftists on this board disavow?

He said that people "on both sides had very fine people" which was in reference to liberal protesters vs. people marching alongside Nazis and white supremacists.







So it IS incorrect to say he outright said nazis and wsup were fine people. But it's also nonsense to pretend like the marchers AT THAT EVENT were anything besides neonazis and wsup's. We've all seen the videos. No one walks up to a group wearing swastikas and says "Hey I might not be a wsup or a Nazi but can I march with you anyway? I disavow all of your evil tho, tbh".


AT THE VERY BEST, Trump gave neonazis and wp's an accidental wink of support.


AT THE VERY WORST, Trump gave an endorsement to creepy ******* rallies like this one was.

He also says in the video 40 seconds after the "fine people on both sides", I'm not talking about the white supremacists or neo nazis.

I know words are hard for you since you stated you'd leave for good if HRC lost, but I can't make it any simplier than that for you.

This was the press conference to clear up the first foot in mouth.

(08-15-2019 08:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  He said that people "on both sides had very fine people" which was in reference to liberal protesters vs. people marching alongside Nazis and white supremacists.

I suggest you stop reading synopses of these statements and instead, read the whole interview.

Trump was VERY clearly talking about those there simply to protest the renaming of a park. You say 'marching alongside nazis'... because it sounds good... and you're doing exactly what Trump is talking about because it gives 'weight' to weak arguments..... You put people in the same category as 'evil' people in order to diminish their opinion.... You guys do this a lot when you note that 'anti government people' are more aligned with small government people (the right) than BIG government (or ALL government) people (the left).... but they weren't there for the same purposes. Trump even goes into some decent detail about how if you're going to 'remove' Robert E Lee, that you should at least be seriously considering removing George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, who weren't not only slave owners, but didn't recognize 'slaves' as citizens. They didn't NEED to fight a war to keep slaves because NOBODY was trying to change that at the time.

If you're saying that not one person there was there only to protest 'changing history'.... then that's an opinion, not a fact.... and while Trump's opinion that some of those people were there may not be fact, it is VERY clear that he's condemning the nazis and ONLY talking about those there SOLELY to protest the removal of a part of history.

I mean, I don't know how much more clear he could have been than this....

and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists --because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

Here is more of the conversation



Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

Reporter: "Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying."

Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

"But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest -- because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country -- a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.


To me, the complicancy of the press here is VERY obvious...

He says... I'm not talking about white nationalists and neo nazis, but the other people who were there and you've been unfair to them.... and the reporter responds
I don't understand what you are saying... are you saying that we've been unfair to white nationalists and neo nazis?

Either the guy is a moron or that's about the most obvious attempt to claim the opposite of what someone just said as I've ever seen

Just curious, who organized the Unite the Right rally that summer?

They go along with the lies because that is what the MSM tells them. Further, they really really really want to believe the lie so they just go with it because it furthers the agenda.

(08-15-2019 09:20 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Just curious, who organized the Unite the Right rally that summer?

Jason Kessler.

(08-15-2019 08:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 12:11 AM)VCE Wrote:  Some here, well, Mach the Unwell, think that our president, President Trump, said that ‘neo nazis’ and ‘white supremecists’ were very fine people. This did not happen. Will any leftists on this board disavow?

He said that people "on both sides had very fine people" which was in reference to liberal protesters vs. people marching alongside Nazis and white supremacists.







So it IS incorrect to say he outright said nazis and wsup were fine people. But it's also nonsense to pretend like the marchers AT THAT EVENT were anything besides neonazis and wsup's. We've all seen the videos. No one walks up to a group wearing swastikas and says "Hey I might not be a wsup or a Nazi but can I march with you anyway? I disavow all of your evil tho, tbh".


AT THE VERY BEST, Trump gave neonazis and wp's an accidental wink of support.


AT THE VERY WORST, Trump gave an endorsement to creepy ******* rallies like this one was.

And right on cue another leftist lie by a guy who agreed to a self ban if Trump won the election.

(08-15-2019 09:20 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Just curious, who organized the Unite the Right rally that summer?

Putin.

Clearly