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WSJ: The New Birthers - "Trump is a Racist"
An opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-new-bir...1565652122

Quote:The New Birthers
If Trump’s enemies can prove he’s a ‘racist,’ he has to go away and never come back. Right? Right?

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The most common of these charges is that Mr. Trump is a racist. And lately, the charge having failed to stick the way his despisers thought it would, the charge has been intensified to “white supremacist.”

The idea of describing Mr. Trump with any word ending in “ist” has always struck me as risible. The suffix connotes the conscious holding of a principle or doctrine, whether good or evil—socialist, Dadaist, impressionist, Platonist, meliorist. But Mr. Trump doesn’t do principles and doctrines. The only “ist” word that can tenably describe him is “nationalist,” and that fits loosely and only sometimes. A racist or a white supremacist must at some level consciously hold definably racist or white supremacist beliefs; otherwise the terms are useless. Mr. Trump may have a neurosis that makes it impossible for him to abide by social conventions, but that does not make him a racist. His attention span is too short, his eye too firmly fixed on momentary advantage, to adopt a creed more complex than “Make America great again.”

Yet Mr. Trump’s fiercest adversaries couldn’t be more certain that he is a racist. They parse his tweets and his spoken words and quote them to each other in versions deliberately stripped of context. They speak of “dog whistles” and “code language,” as if he were capable of verbal subtlety. They accuse him of saying what he hasn’t said: I wonder how many commentators on CNN and MSNBC have stated, as if reporting fact, that Mr. Trump thinks Mexicans are rapists and neo-Nazis “good people”? If he were an actual racist or white supremacist, Mr. Trump’s verbal incontinence would have made this fully apparent by now. There would be no need to debate the question.

But it is fully apparent now, I hear the president’s adversaries say. It’s all out there in the open! He’s saying it! Can’t you hear?

If you’ve ever had a conversation with a conspiracy theorist, you know this is what it’s like. Evidence that the theorist’s claim is unproven or false becomes evidence that it’s true. Countervailing logic only reinforces his certainty.

How strange, then, that many of Mr. Trump’s angriest detractors have begun to sound like adherents of the conspiracy theory he helped to propagate: birtherism. That is the claim, quietly peddled by Hillary Clinton ’s allies in 2007-08 and loudly promoted by Mr. Trump in the years after, that Barack Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. and therefore couldn’t legally be president.

Birtherism was the complaint of cranks from the beginning, and it should have died in April 2011, when, in response to Mr. Trump’s taunting, President Obama obtained and released a copy of his original birth certificate from the archives, which proved he was born in Honolulu.

The theory lived on for several more years, but not because there was evidence for it. Empirical evidence was never birtherism’s appeal. What made it attractive, what made it so hard for its exponents to relinquish it, was their hatred of Barack Obama. His fans often claimed such hatred was motivated by racism, but every recent president has been hated by large numbers of people.

Birtherism and the insistence that Mr. Trump is a racist are very different sorts of crotchets. But they have one thing in common. Devotees of both fully believe that once the truth is acknowledged, everything must change: The objects of their hatred will have to go away and never return. Hence the birthers’ preposterous theories about how Mr. Obama’s birth certificate was forged.

Mr. Trump’s accusers similarly appear to believe that once his racism is finally, irrefutably proven, he and his administration will be canceled, banished. Hence their obsessive need to believe that although he didn’t actually refer to race in this tweet or that remark, that’s what he meant. When you put it all together, it’s racism! That means he’s finished, never president in the first place.


Credit birthers with this much: Article II, section 1 of the U.S. Constitution does require that the president be a natural born citizen. There is no provision in the Constitution barring “racists,” real or alleged, from serving in any office. One of these theories is adopted mainly by Joe Blows who’ve spent too much time online, the other by educated metropolitans and media elites. I’m not sure which is crazier.
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looks like we'll need a long form birth certificate then
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Meh, just type up a word doc and stamp it with "Hawaii" somewhere on there.

We're good.
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A lot of the Democrats talking points are just flat out lies. Its hard to find a leftist viewpoint that doesn't state some of these false opinions as fact. Just reading one on an "Emerging Democratic Majority." It states as fact that Republicans (not the ones who actually do it-the Democrats) are race baiters as a party. That people will turn on Republicans because almost everyone supports gun control.
Some others:

"Hands up, don't shoot."
"Republicans are racists."
"Republicans are the party of the rich."
"Democrats are the only party that cares about blue collar workers."
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(08-14-2019 12:26 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-14-2019 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  A lot of the Democrats talking points are just flat out lies. Its hard to find a leftist viewpoint that doesn't state some of these false opinions as fact. Just reading one on an "Emerging Democratic Majority." It states as fact that Republicans (not the ones who actually do it-the Democrats) are race baiters as a party. That people will turn on Republicans because almost everyone supports gun control.
Some others:

"Hands up, don't shoot."
"Republicans are racists."
"Republicans are the party of the rich."
"Democrats are the only party that cares about blue collar workers."

The list is long, but distinguished.
"Only 3% of Planned Parenthood's business is abortions."
"1 in 4 women will be raped while they're in college." - not only is the number wrong, the message itself is misleading because every study shows that women who go to college are less likely to be sexually assaulted than women who don't go to college.
"1 in 5 kids faces hunger."
"People without insurance are denied health care." - For decades, ERs have been required to treat everyone who shows up. Hospitals typically get charities to pay the bill for poor people.
"Republicans suppress/intimidate minority voters."
"Republicans are only in power because of gerrymandering."
"Mass shooters are all white Republicans"

And two that really annoy me:
"Bush cuts taxes for the rich" - misleading (it was a tax cut for all)
"Trump cuts taxes for the rich" - an outright lie; the biggest effect of the tax cut was to place a limit on deductions for rich people (home mortgages over $750,000 and state/local taxes over $10,000).

Spot on. Now we are at the point were MSM and elected Dems are saying anyone who votes for Trump is a white supremacist. Never thought that it would get this bad.
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(08-14-2019 11:06 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Meh, just type up a word doc and stamp it with "Hawaii" somewhere on there.

We're good.

Right...because that's what Obama did, AMIRITE?

So tell me, how'd this whopper from the racist in chief turn out?

Quote:"I have people that have been studying [Obama's birth certificate] and they cannot believe what they're finding ... I would like to have him show his birth certificate, and can I be honest with you, I hope he can. Because if he can't, if he can't, if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility ... then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics."
14 of Trump's most outrageous 'birther' claims -- half from after 2011

Still waiting on those "findings".
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(08-14-2019 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-14-2019 11:06 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Meh, just type up a word doc and stamp it with "Hawaii" somewhere on there.

We're good.

Right...because that's what Obama did, AMIRITE?

So tell me, how'd this whopper from the racist in chief turn out?

Quote:"I have people that have been studying [Obama's birth certificate] and they cannot believe what they're finding ... I would like to have him show his birth certificate, and can I be honest with you, I hope he can. Because if he can't, if he can't, if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility ... then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics."
14 of Trump's most outrageous 'birther' claims -- half from after 2011

Still waiting on those "findings".

I mean---I never really understood why the birther movement went on as long as it did since it was so easily deflected by the simple release of the birth certificate. That said, the newspapers werent the one's saying there was no proof he wasnt born in the US----but they ARE the ones claiming Trump is a racist using links so tenuous that it makes the birther stuff look solid. It is what it is---the media has lost its credibilty--sacrificing it needlessly on the religious alter of progressive politics.
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Why don't Republicans ever fight back and start calling Democrats racist?

You know damn well Democrats have a pretty big hatred of white people and favor minorities in everything.

And when they say "Trump wants to make America white again" you know they really mean "this sucks that white people aren't going to become the minority in this country as fast as we want". They'd love nothing more than to make white people the minority in every country.
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(08-14-2019 03:27 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  Why don't Republicans ever fight back and start calling Democrats racist?

You know damn well Democrats have a pretty big hatred of white people and favor minorities in everything.

And when they say "Trump wants to make America white again" you know they really mean "this sucks that white people aren't going to become the minority in this country as fast as we want". They'd love nothing more than to make white people the minority in every country.

What a ridiculous take. Try harder.
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I would've given more credence to the OP and writer of the opinion piece if he had actually addressed (and then refuted) liberal talking points on why Trump is a racist. He basically ignored they exist and just said "nuh uh, made up just like birtherism".
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(08-15-2019 08:50 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  I would've given more credence to the OP and writer of the opinion piece if he had actually addressed (and then refuted) liberal talking points on why Trump is a racist. He basically ignored they exist and just said "nuh uh, made up just like birtherism".

03-yes

trump STILL maintains his racist take on the CP5, even after exoneration. And he never ever apologized for his bitherism, rather giving an off-handed remark that Obama was actually born here just to move his political career down the road. Sad.
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(08-15-2019 08:56 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 08:50 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  I would've given more credence to the OP and writer of the opinion piece if he had actually addressed (and then refuted) liberal talking points on why Trump is a racist. He basically ignored they exist and just said "nuh uh, made up just like birtherism".

03-yes

trump STILL maintains his racist take on the CP5, even after exoneration. And he never ever apologized for his bitherism, rather giving an off-handed remark that Obama was actually born here just to move his political career down the road. Sad.

Trump has a hard time apologizing when he's wrong, which is another thing he shares in common with my 3 year old nephew.
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(08-15-2019 08:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-14-2019 03:27 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  Why don't Republicans ever fight back and start calling Democrats racist?

You know damn well Democrats have a pretty big hatred of white people and favor minorities in everything.

And when they say "Trump wants to make America white again" you know they really mean "this sucks that white people aren't going to become the minority in this country as fast as we want". They'd love nothing more than to make white people the minority in every country.

What a ridiculous take. Try harder.

Is it? To whom? You? LOL... The whiteness is strong in you.
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(08-15-2019 09:07 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 08:56 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 08:50 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  I would've given more credence to the OP and writer of the opinion piece if he had actually addressed (and then refuted) liberal talking points on why Trump is a racist. He basically ignored they exist and just said "nuh uh, made up just like birtherism".

03-yes

trump STILL maintains his racist take on the CP5, even after exoneration. And he never ever apologized for his bitherism, rather giving an off-handed remark that Obama was actually born here just to move his political career down the road. Sad.

Trump has a hard time apologizing when he's wrong, which is another thing he shares in common with my 3 year old nephew.

I don't know your 3 year old nephew, but Trump also shares that trait with Hillary, Obama and pretty much every Democratic presidential candidate.
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Any of you got proof that Trump is racist? I mean verifiable proof?
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(08-15-2019 10:33 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Any of you got proof that Trump is racist? I mean verifiable proof?

Dude, c'mon. What proves anyone is a racist really? It's not like your hair color or something identifiable.

So we have to look at words and actions and form our own opinion...and trump has a long history.

CP5 and Birtherism lead the way. To me, those are without a doubt racist. You may see it differently and that's fine.
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(08-15-2019 10:13 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 08:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-14-2019 03:27 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  Why don't Republicans ever fight back and start calling Democrats racist?

You know damn well Democrats have a pretty big hatred of white people and favor minorities in everything.

And when they say "Trump wants to make America white again" you know they really mean "this sucks that white people aren't going to become the minority in this country as fast as we want". They'd love nothing more than to make white people the minority in every country.

What a ridiculous take. Try harder.

Is it? To whom? You? LOL... The whiteness is strong in you.

Anyone with a brain. It's lazy and weak. It's basically the same as a toddler saying "I'm not, you are!"
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(08-15-2019 11:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 10:33 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Any of you got proof that Trump is racist? I mean verifiable proof?

Dude, c'mon. What proves anyone is a racist really? It's not like your hair color or something identifiable.

So we have to look at words and actions and form our own opinion...and trump has a long history.

CP5 and Birtherism lead the way. To me, those are without a doubt racist. You may see it differently and that's fine.

So that's a no from you, based on feels.. Got it.
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(08-15-2019 11:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 10:33 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Any of you got proof that Trump is racist? I mean verifiable proof?

Dude, c'mon. What proves anyone is a racist really? It's not like your hair color or something identifiable.

So we have to look at words and actions and form our own opinion...and trump has a long history.

CP5 and Birtherism lead the way. To me, those are without a doubt racist. You may see it differently and that's fine.

Birtherism is stupid, but has nothing to do with racism.

Lots of people agreed on the CP5. It was a horrible crime. Somebody had to be held responsible (sound familiar?).
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(08-14-2019 12:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(08-14-2019 12:26 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-14-2019 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  A lot of the Democrats talking points are just flat out lies. Its hard to find a leftist viewpoint that doesn't state some of these false opinions as fact. Just reading one on an "Emerging Democratic Majority." It states as fact that Republicans (not the ones who actually do it-the Democrats) are race baiters as a party. That people will turn on Republicans because almost everyone supports gun control.
Some others:

"Hands up, don't shoot."
"Republicans are racists."
"Republicans are the party of the rich."
"Democrats are the only party that cares about blue collar workers."

The list is long, but distinguished.
"Only 3% of Planned Parenthood's business is abortions."
"1 in 4 women will be raped while they're in college." - not only is the number wrong, the message itself is misleading because every study shows that women who go to college are less likely to be sexually assaulted than women who don't go to college.
"1 in 5 kids faces hunger."
"People without insurance are denied health care." - For decades, ERs have been required to treat everyone who shows up. Hospitals typically get charities to pay the bill for poor people.
"Republicans suppress/intimidate minority voters."
"Republicans are only in power because of gerrymandering."
"Mass shooters are all white Republicans"

And two that really annoy me:
"Bush cuts taxes for the rich" - misleading (it was a tax cut for all)
"Trump cuts taxes for the rich" - an outright lie; the biggest effect of the tax cut was to place a limit on deductions for rich people (home mortgages over $750,000 and state/local taxes over $10,000).

Spot on. Now we are at the point were MSM and elected Dems are saying anyone who votes for Trump is a white supremacist. Never thought that it would get this bad.

Once the Emory University president called chalking "Trump 2016" a hate crime, you could see where this was going. That pretty much sealed the deal on me voting for Trump instead of leaving things blank. 2020 is not a time for protest votes. Its important to destroy the leftist lurch of the Democrats and crush them at the ballot box. We need a Nixon/Reagan reelection type victory.
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