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RE: How is realignment affected if football is outlawed?
if football gets banned due to its physicality and danger, so will hockey.
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RE: How is realignment affected if football is outlawed?
(08-13-2019 03:42 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  I'll play the game. Assuming that it got banned say in the 2030s, after everyone's GOR is up. ESPN/Fox/Amazon/CBS/NBC/etc. need content. They focus on soccer, baseball, and basketball, even hockey, and start promoting women's sports a little more.

Realignment still happens along the same lines - only the PAC-12 now has slightly more power because of soccer emphases. The SEC can now grab UNC and Duke without worry about Duke's football attendance. They could take Tech along with Texas without worry after Beard's 20 year reign as coach there. If Texas decides to go to the PAC-12, the SEC takes TCU for baseball and grabs Kansas for basketball.

The Pac-12 if they grab Texas/Tech doesn't have to worry as much, but if they don't they strongly consider Gonzaga.

The Big 10 reconsiders Syracuse/UConn/Pitt type schools.

If Football got banned...I doubt any ACC teams would leave for the B1G
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RE: How is realignment affected if football is outlawed?
(08-14-2019 12:33 PM)AntiG Wrote:  if football gets banned due to its physicality and danger, so will hockey.

Hockey is physical for sure, but it would be easier to tone down checking in hockey than it would be tackling in football.
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(08-14-2019 01:21 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(08-14-2019 12:33 PM)AntiG Wrote:  if football gets banned due to its physicality and danger, so will hockey.

Hockey is physical for sure, but it would be easier to tone down checking in hockey than it would be tackling in football.

Florida State adds Men's Soccer and is as successful with it as they are with Women's Soccer. Doak Campbell Stadium is replaced with two additional classroom/office buildings.
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RE: How is realignment affected if football is outlawed?
You have to ask yourself what is more unsafe, banning football or not banning football? I'd imagine outlawing the pigskin would result in as many, if not more, injuries and deaths due to the resulting riots and protests. We're talking several days of uncontrolled chaos all over America before the ruling is reversed.
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(08-14-2019 03:48 PM)StatesboroBluesman Wrote:  You have to ask yourself what is more unsafe, banning football or not banning football? I'd imagine outlawing the pigskin would result in as many, if not more, injuries and deaths due to the resulting riots and protests. We're talking several days of uncontrolled chaos all over America before the ruling is reversed.

Hello! It won't get that far ever. Our politicians realize that without the American version of Gladiatorial games the public might actually focus their attention on what the hell goes on in Washington. They and their corporate backers don't want that. They want to be seen as normal to the electorate. Why else do corporations and politicians frequent the luxury boxes to be seen by the throngs at football games? It makes them seem friendly and a part of the rabble, especially since they aren't.
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RE: How is realignment affected if football is outlawed?
OK, this is a ridiculous postulate, but I'll bite.

Assumption, a bill passes congress tomorrow and bans college football starting in say 2023 (long enough for Senators in office to retire and not face voter wrath). President Trump signs the bill mistaking it for a dinner order takeout from Burger King. Then spend the next two months blaming congress for the bill in repeated twitter storms. Whatever it happens.

What would happen is realignment at the major level (M6 = P5 plus Big East, 76 schools counting UConn now) would come to a screeching halt. OU and Texas would have no big paydays awaiting them in the SEC or B1G, as Basketball is not the same value. So they stand. The P12 is still too far away, and so nobody does anything.

If we look at the resources, using budgets as a guide, of the 76 M6 school, 61 are in the top 64 ($7m cutoff), 73 in the top 86 ($6m cutoff) , all 76 in the top 96 (Butler, Oregon State, Washington State $5m cutoff). So they are all top 100.

Gonzaga, Dayton and Memphis are 3 non M6 in the top 25. There is a cluster in the 65-86 range including all you'd expect: Wichita State, SMU, BYU, Cincy, Saint Louis, Temple, Colorado State, San Diego State, VCU. The group of 10 with the trailing 3 M6 includes Tulsa, UNLV, URI, Houston, and South Florida. (I discount LUC in the top 86 as a one time surge in cost due to the tournament appearance and top 96 GCU and Duquesne as a flukes). There are a dozen more schools in the upper mid-major with budgets above $4m including Richmond, Nevada, New Mexico, GMU and South Florida, plus some schools who include some decidedly not upper mid-major characteristics (St. Mary's, UMass, UTEP, Santa Clara, Tulane, Fordham, St. Joe's).

There really isn't anyone in the above who would excite a M6. Gonzaga fits the Big East, but is in the wrong time zone. Memphis is an atrocious school from an AI standpoint ... well Louisville got in the ACC is the argument I guess (weak argument). Dayton hasn't had the success you expect from that big a budget team to have. All the rest are in the transition zones, would be in the bottom group of any M6 conference, not likely to contribute to their NCAA bids.

So M6 is fixed.

Gonzaga and maybe BYU look attractive to the MWC, who might also try to boot SJSU. Similarly the American probably sees VCU and Dayton as attractive and might try to boot ECU (Tulane is equally bad, but you don't kick out a high standing academic school). But one wonders if SJSU and ECU would not direct some of their large investment in football into basketball with football banned, and take advantage of their strong local recruiting zones. Still one could make a case for Gonzaga and BYU with the MWc and Dayton and VCU or even Saint Louis with the AAC. On the other hand they both might just stand pat.

I think CUSA does blow up. I can see a upper South and Midwest basketball conference forming from that blow up, even raiding MVC schools. But it's hard to compose a conference that would actually be multi bid.

The West is already pretty much aligned by type of school and region, and some other conferences are as well i.e., (AEC, NEC). So I would not look for much change there. The South might completely reorg at the lower levels. But I have no clue how. And I don't think it'd matter, still one bid conferences.

So there you have it, things would probably be more stable.
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RE: How is realignment affected if football is outlawed?
Football does have a valid long term talent pipeline problem. If you want to see what that does to a sport long term .... see boxing. Football won't die. But without players it can certainly be relegated.

Here's some outside the box thinking:
Also the talent pipeline could be pretty easily expanded. The NFL already plays half a franchise worth of games in London every year. It's easy to see expanding the pipeline via the UK, Canada, Mexico, and even Australia. If you got somebody visionary at the NFL it's easy to see reorganizing football internationally in a soccer format, maybe even complete with relegation. There aren't many credible football leagues outside North America, so reorganizing now is the time to do it. This also means unified rules which means changing the game a bit. The Canadians gain a down but lose about 30 yards vertically and another 20 or so horizontally. The Americans gain forward motion pre-snap by WR. The NFL adds a franchise in London and maybe a travel partner franchise in Dublin or Manchester. You merge with the CFL and then relegate the lowest 12 teams to a kiddie table league. Each year you promote up the champion at the kiddie table and drop down the lowest team at the adult table. This also gives teams an incentive to avoid tanking. Because the lesser league has lesser draft status. Maybe they get one round after the big boy league gets two? If things work out well for the UK franchises, start playing games every year in Sydney. Mexico City is low hanging fruit and minimal fuss with the language barrier. If even Mexico is a slam dunk then you look to push into continental Europe.
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(08-14-2019 06:08 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Football does have a valid long term talent pipeline problem. If you want to see what that does to a sport long term .... see boxing. Football won't die. But without players it can certainly be relegated.

Here's some outside the box thinking:
Also the talent pipeline could be pretty easily expanded. The NFL already plays half a franchise worth of games in London every year. It's easy to see expanding the pipeline via the UK, Canada, Mexico, and even Australia. If you got somebody visionary at the NFL it's easy to see reorganizing football internationally in a soccer format, maybe even complete with relegation. There aren't many credible football leagues outside North America, so reorganizing now is the time to do it. This also means unified rules which means changing the game a bit. The Canadians gain a down but lose about 30 yards vertically and another 20 or so horizontally. The Americans gain forward motion pre-snap by WR. The NFL adds a franchise in London and maybe a travel partner franchise in Dublin or Manchester. You merge with the CFL and then relegate the lowest 12 teams to a kiddie table league. Each year you promote up the champion at the kiddie table and drop down the lowest team at the adult table. This also gives teams an incentive to avoid tanking. Because the lesser league has lesser draft status. Maybe they get one round after the big boy league gets two? If things work out well for the UK franchises, start playing games every year in Sydney. Mexico City is low hanging fruit and minimal fuss with the language barrier. If even Mexico is a slam dunk then you look to push into continental Europe.
The pipeline problem begins when there are no football salaries. The CFL minimum is better than working at Walmart.

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It's interesting that none has, to my knowledge, suggested a variation of rugby league (not union) being looked at as a replacement for American-rules football. Some type of rugby might satiable some of the demand for contact sports that a banning of American football might create.

I would think the rugby people would see an opportunity to expand the mindshare of their game by hosting exhibitions at American college football stadiums.





There are already club teams playing rugby in the USA, mostly on the coasts. All it would need is some push at the high school level to add rugby league. States that have high populations but low participation rates in football, like New York and Massachusetts, could see a benefit if done right.
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RE: How is realignment affected if football is outlawed?
(08-14-2019 06:08 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Football does have a valid long term talent pipeline problem. If you want to see what that does to a sport long term .... see boxing. Football won't die. But without players it can certainly be relegated.

Here's some outside the box thinking:
Also the talent pipeline could be pretty easily expanded. The NFL already plays half a franchise worth of games in London every year. It's easy to see expanding the pipeline via the UK, Canada, Mexico, and even Australia. If you got somebody visionary at the NFL it's easy to see reorganizing football internationally in a soccer format, maybe even complete with relegation. There aren't many credible football leagues outside North America, so reorganizing now is the time to do it. This also means unified rules which means changing the game a bit. The Canadians gain a down but lose about 30 yards vertically and another 20 or so horizontally. The Americans gain forward motion pre-snap by WR. The NFL adds a franchise in London and maybe a travel partner franchise in Dublin or Manchester. You merge with the CFL and then relegate the lowest 12 teams to a kiddie table league. Each year you promote up the champion at the kiddie table and drop down the lowest team at the adult table. This also gives teams an incentive to avoid tanking. Because the lesser league has lesser draft status. Maybe they get one round after the big boy league gets two? If things work out well for the UK franchises, start playing games every year in Sydney. Mexico City is low hanging fruit and minimal fuss with the language barrier. If even Mexico is a slam dunk then you look to push into continental Europe.


Regarding pipeline ... I watched "A Football Life: Christian Okoye" on the NFL network this summer ... and it was a good story. Comparing the Nigerian Nightmare (Okoye's nickname) to Hakeem the Dream (fellow Nigerian Hakeem Olajuwon), and how they found athletic success in the states after immigrating from Nigeria.

But the end of the show focused on literally DOZENS of current NFL players who have now come from Nigeria. It was crazy. I had no idea the impact Christian Okoye had on the sport of American football in Nigeria.


Bottom line --- as long as you get paid like a king, there will be kids lining up to play that sport. American, or not.

Football isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Just because there's a market doesn't mean it can't end or be altered. Football will be played but not necessarily as we know it or legally.
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Only a matter of time before a presidential candidate gains steam who wants to ban football. Give it 3 or 4 election cycles.
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