ColKurtz
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RE: P5: It’s mostly about the company you kept pre-1945
(08-13-2019 08:22 PM)bullet Wrote: (08-13-2019 06:42 PM)ColKurtz Wrote: (08-13-2019 05:46 PM)Statefan Wrote: (08-13-2019 02:50 PM)ColKurtz Wrote: (08-13-2019 01:14 PM)Statefan Wrote: NC State is both Land Grant and Flagship in NC.
UNC-Ch has no Engineering School, Agricultural School, Vet School, etc. In 1931 UNC and NC A&M were combined with the Woman's College (UNC-G) and made to split out programs. That's why NC State has no Med School, no Law School, and no Nursing School.
NC State is the land grant, but not the Flagship. Definitions vary, but UNC is one of the top research universities in the country. That, along with its "public ivy" status, and age, law/medical schools, gives it the pedigree sought after by people who give out such labels.
Kurtz,
Unlike the split between NC State and UNC-Ch, UVa has it's own Engineering School and has had since the 1820's, as well as it's own Architecture School. Other than the Vet School, Military Science, and Food Science, there is not much at VT that is not in Charlottesville.
NC State has the following that UNC-Ch does not:
Architecture, Design, Aerospace Engineering, Nuclear Engineering, Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Chemical Engineering, Animal Sciences, Food Sciences, Crop Sciences, Veterinary School, Horticulture, Forestry, Pulp and Paper, and Textiles. Lots of research dollars in those things.
UNC-Ch has the following that NC State does not:
Med, Dental, Nursing, and Public Health schools, Law school, Pharmacy school, Auditory program, Music, Journalism School, Library Science, and Radiology. We also share governance with UNC-Ch which you do not with UVa so your formative experience is not really analogous. Having taught at VT for a while is the reason I say this.
It's not an opinion; UNC is the flagship university in North Carolina. That's all I was pointing out.
Most flagships are land-grant, produce the highest R&D expenditures, have medical schools, and produce the most earned doctoral degrees. Vs. UVA, VT is land-grant, has significantly higher R&D expenditures, has a (fairly recent) medical school, and produces more than 1.5x doctoral degrees. Yet UVA is the flagship in VA because of its age, its Jefferson connection, and higher selectivity (at VT you apply to a specific college, whereas UVA has general admission. Many VT colleges are harder to get into that UVA general admission, but UVA is still in more selective overall).
It doesn't matter that NCSU has engineering and architecture programs while UNC generally does not. UNC is still the flagship because of its age, its selectivity, its top-10ish R&D expenditures.
Overall, UNC and UVA tick the marks for jobs where pedigree matters (doctors, lawyers, politicians, C-level execs). Their public ivy status grants them that, and that's really just historical. If VT and NCSU were founded first, they'd probably have the flagship status.
Most flagships are not necessarily land grants. VT, NCSU, Auburn, Clemson, Mississippi St., Texas A&M, Oklahoma St., Kansas St., Purdue, Michigan St. and Iowa St. are all the land grants in their states. Most of the west has separate land-grants and flagships-WSU, OSU, Montana St., Colorado St., Utah St., NMSU, So.Dakota St., No.Dakota St..
26 Universities are both the land-grant and flagship universities in their states. Over half, so I guess "most" is still accurate. The list:
University of Alaska Fairbanks
University of Arizona
University of Arkansas
University of California Berkely
University of Connecticut
University of Deleware
University of Florida
University of Georgia
University of Hawaii
University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign
University of Kentucky
Louisiana State University
University of Maine
University of Maryland, College Park
University of Massachusetts Amherst
University of Minnesota
University of Missouri
University of Nebraska–Lincoln
University of Nevada, Reno
University of New Hampshire
Rutgers University
New Mexico State University
Ohio State University
Pennsylvania State University
University of Rhode Island
University of Tennessee
University of Vermont
University of Wisconsin–Madison
University of Wyoming
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