(08-13-2019 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Trump keeps doing things that make me cringe, but then I look at the crop of democrats and think, "OMG, I could never, ever vote for any of these, nor would I really want to have any one of them as my president." Fortunately, I don't think Trump will need my vote in Texas, and if he does it's pretty much hopeless nationally. So I will probably vote Libertarian and pray to God that Trump wins.
I only see two issues with someone like you voting third party in TX.
1- If Trump only wins by a slim margin, or looses the popular vote again due to third party candidates; it gives libs fuel for continuing to "resist" Trump and to continue to argue for the elimination of the electoral college.
2- The closer the margin in victory in TX, the more dems will try to turn TX blue as they see it as more vulnerable.
just my two cents. I think protest votes, especially for a third party with quite literally no chance in winning, doesn't strengthen future third party candidate chances, nor is it viewed as a vote against the democrat candidate. Unfortunately the dem party is rapidly devolving into a rabid socialist mob and the only thing that will bring them back towards the center is a direct rebuke.
I agree that both of those are issues. But I've protest voted in every presidential election since 1980, and every one of those republicans was more appealing to me than Trump. If he caves on gun control, that just makes him even less appealing to me.
I did vote Ted Cruz in 2018 because he had run such a god-awful campaign, particularly in failing to call out Robert Francis O'Rourke for the lightweight that he is, that I worried he might be in trouble. But I did not vote for Abbott (he didn't need me) or Patrick (because I know him).
(This post was last modified: 08-13-2019 11:48 AM by Owl 69/70/75.)
(08-12-2019 10:23 AM)Kronke Wrote: I'm beginning to agree that despite not showing as such in the polls yet, the more we hear from the dems, the more it is going to cement Trump as the favorite. Biden is a buffoon and a gaffe machine, that can't go 45 minutes before he starts slurring his words, and pochahontas is a nut.
No one else is even viable at this point. Tulsi ended camila's campaign, mayor pete is cringe and will never eclipse 0% of the black vote, and bernie has been exposed as someone that just regurgitates the same 3 talking points.
I retain the right to change that opinion if Trump follows through with any more gun control in attempt to virtue signal to the dems' outrage, as if he gives them something, they'll be satisfied and won't just come back for more after the next shooting. If he gives in to them on universal background checks, he's done.
^^If he gives in to them on universal background checks, he's done.^^
So if he does that you'll vote for the Commies KNOWING that they won't stop until the amendment itself is repealed? Plus, knowing that the Commies don't know anything about free enterprise i.e. capitalism and only taxing.
just asking
I'm just giving you the facts, what I would do is irrelevant. If he allows the democrats to implement universal background checks, which would lead to calls for a national registry in order for UBC to actually work as advertised, yes, he is done.
He won PA, MI, and WI by razor thin margins, and there are enough 2A voters in those states that wouldn't show up in 2020 if he turned his back on them that way.
I would probably write in Ted Cruz or something, a guy that is willing to take the slings and arrows for 2A when it isn't easy or particularly popular at a snapshot in time when the emotional hoards are screaming at you to "do something".
I could vote for Cruz without holding my nose. I'm not sure he isn't just more of the status quo but he'd make a much more polished POTUS.
That's the thing, Cruz is a much more polished and tact politician. He wouldn't have shot himself in the foot after every victory like Trump does, negating said victories. Plus, he's much more principled and isn't a weather vane to what's popular during a snapshot in time, and wouldn't have based policy proposals around it like Trump has done here with UBC.
I think I've been vindicated in my 2016 primary support of Cruz over Trump.
(08-13-2019 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Trump keeps doing things that make me cringe, but then I look at the crop of democrats and think, "OMG, I could never, ever vote for any of these, nor would I really want to have any one of them as my president." Fortunately, I don't thi Trump will need my vote in Texas, and if he does it's pretty much hopeless nationally. So I will probably vote Libertarian and pray to God that Trump wins.
I only see two issues with someone like you voting third party in TX.
1- If Trump only wins by a slim margin, or looses the popular vote again due to third party candidates; it gives libs fuel for continuing to "resist" Trump and to continue to argue for the elimination of the electoral college.
2- The closer the margin in victory in TX, the more dems will try to turn TX blue as they see it as more vulnerable.
just my two cents. I think protest votes, especially for a third party with quite literally no chance in winning, doesn't strengthen future third party candidate chances, nor is it viewed as a vote against the democrat candidate. Unfortunately the dem party is rapidly devolving into a rabid socialist mob and the only thing that will bring them back towards the center is a direct rebuke.
(08-13-2019 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Trump keeps doing things that make me cringe, but then I look at the crop of democrats and think, "OMG, I could never, ever vote for any of these, nor would I really want to have any one of them as my president." Fortunately, I don't thi Trump will need my vote in Texas, and if he does it's pretty much hopeless nationally. So I will probably vote Libertarian and pray to God that Trump wins.
I only see two issues with someone like you voting third party in TX.
1- If Trump only wins by a slim margin, or looses the popular vote again due to third party candidates; it gives libs fuel for continuing to "resist" Trump and to continue to argue for the elimination of the electoral college.
2- The closer the margin in victory in TX, the more dems will try to turn TX blue as they see it as more vulnerable.
just my two cents. I think protest votes, especially for a third party with quite literally no chance in winning, doesn't strengthen future third party candidate chances, nor is it viewed as a vote against the democrat candidate. Unfortunately the dem party is rapidly devolving into a rabid socialist mob and the only thing that will bring them back towards the center is a direct rebuke.
Texas is guaranteed going blue by 2028, anyway.
That's what the Dems will tell you. They also told you 2016 was in the bag.
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anyone betting on the 2020 election?
