Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
Author Message
JHS55 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 2,749
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation: 104
I Root For: Houston
Location:
Post: #1
A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
Firstly is moving to 32 teams for the autonomous conferences a good idea and if so what teams will be retained and what teams don’t make the cut
Teams that don’t make the new A4 32 team league will probably have to join the g5 in some kind of way to make a 96 team “ school “ block or it’s own FBS league that just might have enough Tv value to make enough coin to survive in the long run
08-12-2019 02:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

JHS55 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 2,749
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation: 104
I Root For: Houston
Location:
Post: #2
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
A5 conferences to cut teams

SEC...vandy, Arkansas, South Carolina
Big10...I don’t know, mybe 3 schools
AAC... seems like a bunch of schools here would get cut
Pac-12....also seems like a bunch of schools would get the boot
B-12.... this again would see most schools get the boot
(This post was last modified: 08-12-2019 02:20 PM by JHS55.)
08-12-2019 02:20 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Carolina_Low_Country Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,061
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 83
I Root For: Go Pirates
Location: ENC
Post: #3
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
Florida
Florida State
Miami
Georgia
Clemson
South Carolina
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
LSU
Texas A&M
Texas
Arkansas
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
North Carolina
Kentucky
08-12-2019 02:33 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
dbackjon Online
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,437
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 216
I Root For: NAU/Illini
Location:
Post: #4
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
The above list (and who is missing) shows why it would never be cut to 32.

Might as well put in Upper Iowa. Has just as much of a chance of happening.
(This post was last modified: 08-12-2019 02:44 PM by dbackjon.)
08-12-2019 02:43 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ken d Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,311
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 466
I Root For: college sports
Location: Raleigh
Post: #5
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
(08-12-2019 02:15 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Firstly is moving to 32 teams for the autonomous conferences a good idea

No
08-12-2019 02:58 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Fighting Muskie Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,456
Joined: Sep 2016
Reputation: 83
I Root For: Ohio St, MAC
Location:
Post: #6
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
(08-12-2019 02:58 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 02:15 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Firstly is moving to 32 teams for the autonomous conferences a good idea

No

Agreed. It’s a pointless exercise
08-12-2019 03:00 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

Carolina_Low_Country Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,061
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 83
I Root For: Go Pirates
Location: ENC
Post: #7
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
(08-12-2019 02:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The above list (and who is missing) shows why it would never be cut to 32.

Might as well put in Upper Iowa. Has just as much of a chance of happening.

Yep will never happen. If there is a separation it will be the current P5 + a mixed of G5s to make one more conference.
G5 Guaranteed a spot
Army
Navy
Air Force
BYU
Boise State
Cincinnati
Houston
Memphis

Good Chance:
UCF
USF
ECU
Temple
Tulane
Rice
Buffalo
Colorado State
San Diego State
UNLV
Hawaii
UAB

That's 85 teams 14 teams per conference (P6) + ACC and Notre Dame
08-12-2019 03:04 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JHS55 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 2,749
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation: 104
I Root For: Houston
Location:
Post: #8
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
(08-12-2019 02:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Florida
Florida State
Miami
Georgia
Clemson
South Carolina
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
LSU
Texas A&M
Texas
Arkansas
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
North Carolina
Kentucky
Ok so this list looks like a powerful league
But the other list of left behinds looks pretty good to , good enough to form a 96 team league and sustain itself financially with playoff and national championships that could be better than the other FBS league giving enough time, say 4 or 5 years imo
08-12-2019 03:43 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
dbackjon Online
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,437
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 216
I Root For: NAU/Illini
Location:
Post: #9
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
(08-12-2019 03:04 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 02:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The above list (and who is missing) shows why it would never be cut to 32.

Might as well put in Upper Iowa. Has just as much of a chance of happening.

Yep will never happen. If there is a separation it will be the current P5 + a mixed of G5s to make one more conference.
G5 Guaranteed a spot
Army
Navy
Air Force
BYU
Boise State
Cincinnati
Houston
Memphis

Good Chance:
UCF
USF
ECU
Temple
Tulane
Rice
Buffalo
Colorado State
San Diego State
UNLV
Hawaii
UAB

That's 85 teams 14 teams per conference (P6) + ACC and Notre Dame

I would put USM, La Tech, Ark State and ULL in that list as well (if you are including Temple, Rice and UAB)

I would put Fresno, New Mexico, Wyoming and Nevada ahead of all those right above
08-12-2019 04:00 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
goofus Offline
All American
*

Posts: 2,696
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 48
I Root For: Iowa
Location: chicago suburbs
Post: #10
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
The Big 32

West-6
USC, UCLA, Ore, Wash, Ariz, Col

Central-6
Tex, A@M, Ok, Kan, Neb, Mizzou

North-6
Iowa, Minn, Wisc, ILL, Mich, Ohio St

East-6
ND, Penn St, Va, UNC, Clem, Fla ST

South-8
Ga, Bama, Auburn, Tenn, KY, Ole Miss, LSU, FLA

P5 left out
Cal, Stan, Ore st, Wash St, Ariz St, Utah
TT, TCU, Bay, Ok St, Kan St, Iowa St, WV
Pur, Indy, Mich St, NW, Rut, MD
Cuse, Pitt, BC, VT, Lou, GT, NCSU, Duke, Wake, Miami
S. Car, Vandy, Miss St, Ark

Final totals
PAC - 6 left in, 6 left out
Big 12 - 3 left in, 7 left out
Big Ten - 8 left in, 6 left out
ACC - 4 left in, 10 left out
SEC - 10 left in, 4 left out
ND - 1 left in

Total - 32 left in, 33 left out
08-12-2019 04:47 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JHS55 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 2,749
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation: 104
I Root For: Houston
Location:
Post: #11
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
Thanks goofus
Intresting list of A5 left outs
08-12-2019 05:03 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

MKPitt Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 769
Joined: Dec 2012
Reputation: 38
I Root For: Pitt
Location:
Post: #12
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
(08-12-2019 04:47 PM)goofus Wrote:  The Big 32

West-6
USC, UCLA, Ore, Wash, Ariz, Col

Central-6
Tex, A@M, Ok, Kan, Neb, Mizzou

North-6
Iowa, Minn, Wisc, ILL, Mich, Ohio St

East-6
ND, Penn St, Va, UNC, Clem, Fla ST

South-8
Ga, Bama, Auburn, Tenn, KY, Ole Miss, LSU, FLA

P5 left out
Cal, Stan, Ore st, Wash St, Ariz St, Utah
TT, TCU, Bay, Ok St, Kan St, Iowa St, WV
Pur, Indy, Mich St, NW, Rut, MD
Cuse, Pitt, BC, VT, Lou, GT, NCSU, Duke, Wake, Miami
S. Car, Vandy, Miss St, Ark

Final totals
PAC - 6 left in, 6 left out
Big 12 - 3 left in, 7 left out
Big Ten - 8 left in, 6 left out
ACC - 4 left in, 10 left out
SEC - 10 left in, 4 left out
ND - 1 left in

Total - 32 left in, 33 left out

Stanford and Duke are the two that I just can’t foresee ever being left out of the top category if they want to be. Too many schools want to be associated with them. There’s absolutely no way schools like Mississippi get in over them.
(This post was last modified: 08-12-2019 05:43 PM by MKPitt.)
08-12-2019 05:41 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
P5PACSEC Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 769
Joined: Jul 2018
Reputation: 20
I Root For: P5- Texas Tech
Location: Austin
Post: #13
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/...1b8a486c64

Texas A&M
Texas
Michigan
Alabama
Ohio St
Oklahoma
Notre Dame
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Tennessee
Oregon
Arkansas
Penn St
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida St
USC
Washington
Nebraska
Ole Miss
Michigan St
Iowa
Wisconsin
Texas Tech

Not sure who the 7 other schools are that make the cut.
(This post was last modified: 08-12-2019 06:28 PM by P5PACSEC.)
08-12-2019 06:27 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
EvilVodka Offline
stuff
*

Posts: 3,047
Joined: Jan 2014
Reputation: 113
I Root For: FSU LSU
Location: Houston, TX
Post: #14
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
North-Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Iowa, Pitt

East-Georgia, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Tennessee, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, North Carolina

South-Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Auburn, Florida

West-USC, UCLA, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, BYU, Utah, Colorado
08-12-2019 07:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
dbackjon Online
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,437
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 216
I Root For: NAU/Illini
Location:
Post: #15
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
(08-12-2019 07:25 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  North-Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Iowa, Pitt

East-Georgia, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Tennessee, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, North Carolina

South-Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Auburn, Florida

West-USC, UCLA, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, BYU, Utah, Colorado

Why would Syracuse or Pitt be a pick, but zero teams from Illinois, Minnesota, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska?

West Virginia?

No way BYU would make the cut, especially leaving out Arizona schools. More likely to have two Arizona schools.
08-12-2019 07:32 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Statefan Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 772
Joined: May 2018
Reputation: 41
I Root For: .
Location:
Post: #16
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
(08-12-2019 07:32 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 07:25 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  North-Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Iowa, Pitt

East-Georgia, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Tennessee, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, North Carolina

South-Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Auburn, Florida

West-USC, UCLA, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, BYU, Utah, Colorado

Why would Syracuse or Pitt be a pick, but zero teams from Illinois, Minnesota, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska?

West Virginia?

No way BYU would make the cut, especially leaving out Arizona schools. More likely to have two Arizona schools.

North Carolina just cut the size of their football stadium from 63K down to 50K. The school itself is now about 58% female. They aren't going to be making a football cut.
08-12-2019 07:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

Nerdlinger Offline
Realignment Enthusiast
*

Posts: 1,978
Joined: May 2017
Reputation: 87
I Root For: Realignment!
Location: :uoᴉʇɐɔo⌉
Post: #17
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
Here's my thread from last year wherein I tallied people's votes for the top 32: https://csnbbs.com/thread-857797.html
08-12-2019 08:06 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ArQ Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 923
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 32
I Root For: Pitt/Louisville
Location: Most beautiful place
Post: #18
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
(08-12-2019 02:15 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Firstly is moving to 32 teams for the autonomous conferences a good idea and if so what teams will be retained and what teams don’t make the cut
Teams that don’t make the new A4 32 team league will probably have to join the g5 in some kind of way to make a 96 team “ school “ block or it’s own FBS league that just might have enough Tv value to make enough coin to survive in the long run

There is no way to have 32 team A4.

Most likely 14x4 or 16x4 configuration. And when it happens, the current NCAA basketball tournament will end.
08-12-2019 11:00 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ken d Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,311
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 466
I Root For: college sports
Location: Raleigh
Post: #19
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
(08-12-2019 11:00 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 02:15 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Firstly is moving to 32 teams for the autonomous conferences a good idea and if so what teams will be retained and what teams don’t make the cut
Teams that don’t make the new A4 32 team league will probably have to join the g5 in some kind of way to make a 96 team “ school “ block or it’s own FBS league that just might have enough Tv value to make enough coin to survive in the long run

There is no way to have 32 team A4.

Most likely 14x4 or 16x4 configuration. And when it happens, the current NCAA basketball tournament will end.

Not addressed here is the mechanism by which such an A4 would be created. How do you suppose the 32 schools would be selected? Would there be a czar appointed to make the decisions about which schools on the bubble are invited or rejected? Would a smaller group of schools (like the SEC members) quietly go about recruiting others to break away with them, and just stop recruiting when they get to 32?

Would wealthy schools who derive a substantial part of that wealth from basketball be invited, even though they wouldn't be invited if based strictly on football prowess or market value?

Would those 32 teams form their own smaller all-sports conferences outside the NCAA? Because surely the schools they kick out of the current P5 aren't likely to allow them to remain in their current conference for Olympic sports.

No, a 32 team A4 isn't going to happen.
08-13-2019 08:13 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ken d Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,311
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 466
I Root For: college sports
Location: Raleigh
Post: #20
RE: A5 at 32 teams, who makes the cut ...?
While a 32 team A4 isn't going to happen, something short of that could. And it wouldn't require breaking up the NCAA.

The length of the ACC's GoR complicates matters, but only if some of their members are invited to join a new, football centric conference. If the ACC were to be left intact, I could see how (though it's still a longshot) a new 24 member national conference might be possible. The key here is that one or more media companies would have to do the inviting, and they would want to have the creme de la creme spanning coast to coast.

Here are the four 6 team divisions I come up with that meet those criteria.

************************************************************

Pacific Division: Stanford, Oregon, USC, Washington, UCLA and California.

Southwest Division: Oklahoma, LSU, Texas A&M, Texas, Missouri and Arkansas

South Division: Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Florida, Ole Miss and Tennessee

North Division: Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan St, Penn St, Michigan and Iowa

***********************************************************

This conference would eschew any post season championship tournament except for its own 8 team CCG. They would play a regular season conference schedule of 8 games with a 5-1-1-1 format. The 8 game schedule allows them all to continue rivalries with teams from other conferences, many, if not most, of which would have strong TV appeal. It also provides an opportunity for most of the 24 teams to reach bowl eligibility despite their brutal conference schedule.

The establishment of this new conference leaves a number of schools capable of earning recognition as Mythical National Champion despite not playing the top teams from the new conference in the post season. The ACC and remnants of the B1G and Big 12 absorb the four SEC teams not invited to the new conference. The PAC backfills with top western teams and the AAC remains intact. With Notre Dame, this group is a powerful second tier in its own right, looking like this:

***********************************************************

PAC: Washington St, Oregon St, Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado, Boise St, BYU, San Diego St and Fresno St

B1G: Nebraska, Minnesota, Nortwestern, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers and Vanderbilt

Big 12: Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, West Virginia, TCU and Mississippi St

ACC Atlantic: Florida St, Miami, Clemson, South Carolina, Louisville, Kentucky, Pitt and Syracuse

ACC Coastal: Virginia, Virginia Tech, UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech and Boston College

American: USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Temple, East Carolina, Houston, SMU, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa and Navy

Independent: Notre Dame

************************************************************

The champions of each of these six conferences/divisions (the P6) plus two teams selected at large would conduct their own 8 team post season tournament. Given the strong possibility that the champion of the new 24 team conference would have two losses, it's quite possible that the winner of the P6 tournament would be able to overtake them in polls and/or other rankings like Sagarin, Massey, etc. to claim a national championship.

The only thing left is to come up with a name for the new conference. Any suggestions?
(This post was last modified: 08-13-2019 12:18 PM by ken d.)
08-13-2019 11:57 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2019 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2019 MyBB Group.