(08-14-2019 12:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 09:03 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  You pick a lot of losing arguments on this forum and the fact that are doubling down is hilarious. Only a far left prog would do this. Take your L and move on.

What have I lost again? You've yet to show anything that says whites are not allowed in that church.

Look dude, I would be willing to bet that every predominantly black church in my city (and probably every other city in America) has next to no whites who regularly attend. In no way does that mean whites are not allowed as you erroneously stated.

Show me a fact and I'll gladly take the "L".

The vast majority of black churches, Black Baptist, African Methodist Episcopal Church were founded because of discrimination in other main line churches.
Trinity was different, it was part of the mainline United Church of Christ then they went Black power. Take the L Tom.

The church instead opted to bring on the Rev. Reuben A. Sheares II as interim pastor.[27] According to Speller, Sheares's brief tenure with Trinity marked an important shift in the congregation's sense of purpose. Together with Trinity's remaining leaders, Sheares sought to discover the reasons behind Trinity's dramatic decline in membership and then work a remedy. As recounted by a key Trinity lay leader at the time, Vallmer E. Jordan, the small core of leaders concluded that b"for years we had prided ourselves on being a middle-class congregation within a mainline denomination, ut suddenly the values within the black community had shifted. Aspirations for integration and assimilation were being replaced by those of black pride and separation."[26] Byassee fills in details by pointing out that Chicago had long since become an organizing center for militant black religious groups like The Nation of Islam and The Black Hebrew Israelites, who strenuously argued that "black" and "Christian" were contradictory terms. Many blacks had been leaving Christianity as a result.[17]

Trinity's leaders had thus discovered the reasons for its decline in membership. As a congregation, Trinity would thus need to inaugurate a "shift" in how it viewed both itself and its mission—they needed to let blacks know, both those inside and outside its walls, that Christianity was not at all just a religion for whites. To begin this change, Sheares coined the motto "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian".[9][28] Contextualizing the motto, Speller, herself black, informs that shame about being black.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_..._of_Christ

(08-14-2019 04:26 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Democrats are low iq morons with memory problems.

Sad. Bigly

(08-14-2019 01:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 12:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 09:03 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  You pick a lot of losing arguments on this forum and the fact that are doubling down is hilarious. Only a far left prog would do this. Take your L and move on.

What have I lost again? You've yet to show anything that says whites are not allowed in that church.

Look dude, I would be willing to bet that every predominantly black church in my city (and probably every other city in America) has next to no whites who regularly attend. In no way does that mean whites are not allowed as you erroneously stated.

Show me a fact and I'll gladly take the "L".

The vast majority of black churches, Black Baptist, African Methodist Episcopal Church were founded because of discrimination in other main line churches.
Trinity was different, it was part of the mainline United Church of Christ then they went Black power. Take the L Tom.

The church instead opted to bring on the Rev. Reuben A. Sheares II as interim pastor.[27] According to Speller, Sheares's brief tenure with Trinity marked an important shift in the congregation's sense of purpose. Together with Trinity's remaining leaders, Sheares sought to discover the reasons behind Trinity's dramatic decline in membership and then work a remedy. As recounted by a key Trinity lay leader at the time, Vallmer E. Jordan, the small core of leaders concluded that b"for years we had prided ourselves on being a middle-class congregation within a mainline denomination, ut suddenly the values within the black community had shifted. Aspirations for integration and assimilation were being replaced by those of black pride and separation."[26] Byassee fills in details by pointing out that Chicago had long since become an organizing center for militant black religious groups like The Nation of Islam and The Black Hebrew Israelites, who strenuously argued that "black" and "Christian" were contradictory terms. Many blacks had been leaving Christianity as a result.[17]

Trinity's leaders had thus discovered the reasons for its decline in membership. As a congregation, Trinity would thus need to inaugurate a "shift" in how it viewed both itself and its mission—they needed to let blacks know, both those inside and outside its walls, that Christianity was not at all just a religion for whites. To begin this change, Sheares coined the motto "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian".[9][28] Contextualizing the motto, Speller, herself black, informs that shame about being black.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_..._of_Christ

Once A G A I N, there is no policy whatsoever from this church that says whites are not allowed, which is what you claimed. So no, I'm not wrong because there is no prohibition as you claimed.

There are many church demonstrations which are usually all-white or all-black, etc. Doesn't mean they have policy forbidding others as you claimed.

(08-15-2019 08:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 01:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 12:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 09:03 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  You pick a lot of losing arguments on this forum and the fact that are doubling down is hilarious. Only a far left prog would do this. Take your L and move on.

What have I lost again? You've yet to show anything that says whites are not allowed in that church.

Look dude, I would be willing to bet that every predominantly black church in my city (and probably every other city in America) has next to no whites who regularly attend. In no way does that mean whites are not allowed as you erroneously stated.

Show me a fact and I'll gladly take the "L".

The vast majority of black churches, Black Baptist, African Methodist Episcopal Church were founded because of discrimination in other main line churches.
Trinity was different, it was part of the mainline United Church of Christ then they went Black power. Take the L Tom.

The church instead opted to bring on the Rev. Reuben A. Sheares II as interim pastor.[27] According to Speller, Sheares's brief tenure with Trinity marked an important shift in the congregation's sense of purpose. Together with Trinity's remaining leaders, Sheares sought to discover the reasons behind Trinity's dramatic decline in membership and then work a remedy. As recounted by a key Trinity lay leader at the time, Vallmer E. Jordan, the small core of leaders concluded that b"for years we had prided ourselves on being a middle-class congregation within a mainline denomination, ut suddenly the values within the black community had shifted. Aspirations for integration and assimilation were being replaced by those of black pride and separation."[26] Byassee fills in details by pointing out that Chicago had long since become an organizing center for militant black religious groups like The Nation of Islam and The Black Hebrew Israelites, who strenuously argued that "black" and "Christian" were contradictory terms. Many blacks had been leaving Christianity as a result.[17]

Trinity's leaders had thus discovered the reasons for its decline in membership. As a congregation, Trinity would thus need to inaugurate a "shift" in how it viewed both itself and its mission—they needed to let blacks know, both those inside and outside its walls, that Christianity was not at all just a religion for whites. To begin this change, Sheares coined the motto "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian".[9][28] Contextualizing the motto, Speller, herself black, informs that shame about being black.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_..._of_Christ

Once A G A I N, there is no policy whatsoever from this church that says whites are not allowed, which is what you claimed. So no, I'm not wrong because there is no prohibition as you claimed.

There are many church demonstrations which are usually all-white or all-black, etc. Doesn't mean they have policy forbidding others as you claimed.

Do you think they would put whites not allowed on their website? You would have been a great useful idiot leftist western reporter who goes to the Soviet Union...who gets the KGB tour of the nice places, yep no Gulags here. It is starring you right in the face Tom.

(08-15-2019 09:07 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 08:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 01:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 12:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 09:03 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  You pick a lot of losing arguments on this forum and the fact that are doubling down is hilarious. Only a far left prog would do this. Take your L and move on.

What have I lost again? You've yet to show anything that says whites are not allowed in that church.

Look dude, I would be willing to bet that every predominantly black church in my city (and probably every other city in America) has next to no whites who regularly attend. In no way does that mean whites are not allowed as you erroneously stated.

Show me a fact and I'll gladly take the "L".

The vast majority of black churches, Black Baptist, African Methodist Episcopal Church were founded because of discrimination in other main line churches.
Trinity was different, it was part of the mainline United Church of Christ then they went Black power. Take the L Tom.

The church instead opted to bring on the Rev. Reuben A. Sheares II as interim pastor.[27] According to Speller, Sheares's brief tenure with Trinity marked an important shift in the congregation's sense of purpose. Together with Trinity's remaining leaders, Sheares sought to discover the reasons behind Trinity's dramatic decline in membership and then work a remedy. As recounted by a key Trinity lay leader at the time, Vallmer E. Jordan, the small core of leaders concluded that b"for years we had prided ourselves on being a middle-class congregation within a mainline denomination, ut suddenly the values within the black community had shifted. Aspirations for integration and assimilation were being replaced by those of black pride and separation."[26] Byassee fills in details by pointing out that Chicago had long since become an organizing center for militant black religious groups like The Nation of Islam and The Black Hebrew Israelites, who strenuously argued that "black" and "Christian" were contradictory terms. Many blacks had been leaving Christianity as a result.[17]

Trinity's leaders had thus discovered the reasons for its decline in membership. As a congregation, Trinity would thus need to inaugurate a "shift" in how it viewed both itself and its mission—they needed to let blacks know, both those inside and outside its walls, that Christianity was not at all just a religion for whites. To begin this change, Sheares coined the motto "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian".[9][28] Contextualizing the motto, Speller, herself black, informs that shame about being black.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_..._of_Christ

Once A G A I N, there is no policy whatsoever from this church that says whites are not allowed, which is what you claimed. So no, I'm not wrong because there is no prohibition as you claimed.

There are many church demonstrations which are usually all-white or all-black, etc. Doesn't mean they have policy forbidding others as you claimed.

Do you think they would put whites not allowed on their website? You would have been a great useful idiot leftist western reporter who goes to the Soviet Union...who gets the KGB tour of the nice places, yep no Gulags here. It is starring you right in the face Tom.

It's quite obvious the church's own stated policy would make any Caucasion nervous about attending. Don't know why RWT is playing semantics when the intent is clear. No, the church doesn't explicity state NO WHITES ALLOWED as that would draw attention. However, the intent is pretty clear even without stating it in capital letters.

To the actual Thread Topic and Title:
Illegal border-crossers are criminals. Period. If you have a legit reason to come here, come through an approved entry point to apply for asylum. Have a legit reason and be able to prove persecution. If all you do is want some money, because your home country's system/leaders are nonfunctional/corrupt, then your options are same as those in USA who fought for and gained by their efforts their freedom to govern themselves.

It's nice that so many others apparently agree that the USA as it is, and as it was founded is the superior system of governance, better than Socialism, communism, dictators, Muslidiotic cult-worship, etc... So all they need to do is work and fight in their own countries to make them like ours, and voila--they have hat they say they want. But what too many of them want, and have been promised by the Democraps, is a free handout--and the Democraps don't even wish to pay anything for them out of their own pockets.

(08-15-2019 08:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 01:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 12:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 09:03 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  You pick a lot of losing arguments on this forum and the fact that are doubling down is hilarious. Only a far left prog would do this. Take your L and move on.

What have I lost again? You've yet to show anything that says whites are not allowed in that church.

Look dude, I would be willing to bet that every predominantly black church in my city (and probably every other city in America) has next to no whites who regularly attend. In no way does that mean whites are not allowed as you erroneously stated.

Show me a fact and I'll gladly take the "L".

The vast majority of black churches, Black Baptist, African Methodist Episcopal Church were founded because of discrimination in other main line churches.
Trinity was different, it was part of the mainline United Church of Christ then they went Black power. Take the L Tom.

The church instead opted to bring on the Rev. Reuben A. Sheares II as interim pastor.[27] According to Speller, Sheares's brief tenure with Trinity marked an important shift in the congregation's sense of purpose. Together with Trinity's remaining leaders, Sheares sought to discover the reasons behind Trinity's dramatic decline in membership and then work a remedy. As recounted by a key Trinity lay leader at the time, Vallmer E. Jordan, the small core of leaders concluded that b"for years we had prided ourselves on being a middle-class congregation within a mainline denomination, ut suddenly the values within the black community had shifted. Aspirations for integration and assimilation were being replaced by those of black pride and separation."[26] Byassee fills in details by pointing out that Chicago had long since become an organizing center for militant black religious groups like The Nation of Islam and The Black Hebrew Israelites, who strenuously argued that "black" and "Christian" were contradictory terms. Many blacks had been leaving Christianity as a result.[17]

Trinity's leaders had thus discovered the reasons for its decline in membership. As a congregation, Trinity would thus need to inaugurate a "shift" in how it viewed both itself and its mission—they needed to let blacks know, both those inside and outside its walls, that Christianity was not at all just a religion for whites. To begin this change, Sheares coined the motto "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian".[9][28] Contextualizing the motto, Speller, herself black, informs that shame about being black.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_..._of_Christ

Once A G A I N, there is no policy whatsoever from this church that says whites are not allowed, which is what you claimed. So no, I'm not wrong because there is no prohibition as you claimed.

There are many church demonstrations which are usually all-white or all-black, etc. Doesn't mean they have policy forbidding others as you claimed.

It might not be specifically written, but it is implied. How many whites go there?


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When did enforcing immigration laws become news?
Silly me November 2016....

I think it may be instructive to look at the guidelines for sexual harassment. From the EEOC webpage, "harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted)." Would anyone argue that the chruch's stated positions, as expressed in the materials quoted here, do not create a hostile or offensive environment for non-black, particularly white, people?

So while there may not exist a specific black-letter provision sufficient to meet the standards set by RedTom, the intent is pretty clear.

(08-12-2019 10:43 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  The Trump administration in October will begin blocking the admittance of immigrants, as well as visa renewals, for people who have relied on or would likely rely on U.S. government benefits, according to a rule change published in the Federal Register.

The Department of Homeland Security's U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services formally submitted the update to a 1999 rule on Monday. The rule further expands the definition of a "public charge," a term the government uses to indicate a noncitizen has a history of receiving long-term financial or other assistance.

Immigrants seeking to enter the United States for the first time as well as those seeking renewal of visas will be judged based on assistance they have accepted from the federal government for at least 12 months, including cash benefits, Supplemental Security Income, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, most forms of Medicaid, and some housing programs, according to the new rule. The Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program and Medicaid were not previously part of the 20-year-old rule.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...assistance

It is UnConstitutional since the Legal imigrants do pay taxes and the Welfare comes out of those taxes. Lets just stick to the Illegals and stop penalizing the legals who do it the right way.

(08-16-2019 06:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 10:43 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  The Trump administration in October will begin blocking the admittance of immigrants, as well as visa renewals, for people who have relied on or would likely rely on U.S. government benefits, according to a rule change published in the Federal Register.

The Department of Homeland Security's U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services formally submitted the update to a 1999 rule on Monday. The rule further expands the definition of a "public charge," a term the government uses to indicate a noncitizen has a history of receiving long-term financial or other assistance.

Immigrants seeking to enter the United States for the first time as well as those seeking renewal of visas will be judged based on assistance they have accepted from the federal government for at least 12 months, including cash benefits, Supplemental Security Income, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, most forms of Medicaid, and some housing programs, according to the new rule. The Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program and Medicaid were not previously part of the 20-year-old rule.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...assistance

It is UnConstitutional since the Legal imigrants do pay taxes and the Welfare comes out of those taxes. Lets just stick to the Illegals and stop penalizing the legals who do it the right way.

Do you know, every penny they get, might one day stop you from your government asst? Hell, been trying for disability since you were 2 with a ear infection then a hurt back from being struck by lighting, then a cramping right hand from watching whoopi on GMA, then ED from squeezing too hard while watching whoopi. Hang in there, your time is coming.

Surely you dont think its right for a non citizen to get government money? Well, like you said...some of them at least worked and paid taxes. Even then, like with you....they dont deserve part of my money