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(08-12-2019 01:02 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 09:36 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Has anyone succeeded with a distant stadium.
On campus is preferable but several schools have off campus.
U Conn plays forty miles from campus U Mass even further.
U Mass has an on campus smaller stadium.
Has U Conn ever played on campus and do they have that possibility for FCS foes.
U Mass has the better football situation if the on campus stadium reaches mid twenties in capacity.
U Conn the better overall and basketball situation.
They need to build a rivalry to build up their programs.

Has any program succeeded with a stadium so far from campus.

UConn plays 23 miles from campus. It is still further than ideal, but I just wanted to correct that distance claim.

UConn and the Miami Hurricanes are located a similar distance from their stadiums. UConn's attendance woes are related more to the team's mediocrity and lack of meaningful rivalries in-conference than anything else.
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(08-10-2019 10:51 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  UConn plays all the big basketball games in Hartford. All the alumni and students are from Hartford. 6 weekends a year for football its fine. All SEC schools used to play half their games in larger cities in their states ie Alabama in Birmingham, Ole Miss in Jackson, Arkansas in Little Rock.

The reason SEC schools played off campus originally was because of geography. Back before televised games, playing all over the state was a way to advertise your product (I.e. the university). This is why Alabama played home games in Birmingham, Montgomery, Huntsville, and Mobile in addition to Tuscaloosa.

By the 1950s, popularity had risen to such an extent that large, overflow crowds could be expected at the most popular games, but media revenue was non-existent and donations and ticket revenue were nowhere near what they are today. Athletic departments were largely funded by the state through the university. Rather than dump large sums of money into on-campus venues, the states elected to build and expand large, centrally located stadia instead. This is how Legion Field and Mississippi Veterans Memorial Stadium got to be so big, and also why they hosted so many big games.

By the 1990s, the schools had greatly expanded their revenue streams, and were no longer reliant on the state for athletic money. It made sense then to convert the home fields into destinations which would encourage fans to spend money on the program. You simply can’t do this in a stadium located two hours away that is shared by other schools, FCS programs, high school playoffs, and every event the operators can convince to pay to use the stadium.

In Arkansas, the NW part of the state was the least populated part of the state for most of history. The population was all in the eastern and southern part of the state. The roads to Fayetteville were awful and if you did drive up there good luck finding a hotel. The TV stations that reached most of the people were in Little Rock. To get TV clips from Fayetteville to Little Rock you stuck a film canister on a Trailways bus headed that way or important enough a booster with an airplane could fly the film cansister down. Or you could just play there and not worry about that mess.

With the rise of Walmart, Tyson Foods, and Jones Trucking NW Arkansas population and median income are both rising and there is an abundance of business class hotels and now there is interstate access. The TV stations all have satellite links and FTP servers to get the video.
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(08-12-2019 08:08 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
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(08-11-2019 04:52 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Anyone who plays at an NFL stadium. Pitt, San Diego State, USF.

From an outsider's perspective, Pitt's situation didn't seem to work very well. Their move off campus coincided with their disappearance from national relevance. Sad that a team with such great history can't even get 40,000 people to see them play a top-10 Oklahoma State team in 2017.

I'm most familiar with SDSU, having lived there for 3 years. The stadium is about 5 miles away. It works well for them. I mean, it's not a historical football power and half the students are commuters anyways. An on-campus stadium would work better, but probably not a whole lot better. The taxpayers recently voted to give the land that the NFL stadium is on to SDSU anyways, so now it's technically going to be an "on-campus" stadium, even though most of the "campus extension" there will be retail, a park, and faculty housing. They don't have the money to add a lot of academic space or increase enrollment because state funding has been flat and they've chased off a lot of their big donors who don't share the SDSU administration's public disdain for capitalism.
Believe it or not, Heinz Stadium, where the Steelers play,, is not very far at all from the campus of the University of Pittsburgh. I think a Pitt fan told me it was like a 5 minute walk maybe? Regardless, I've heard it's close enough that the Pittsburgh students can walk to it.

No... No it's not.

Heinz is on the "North Shore," nowhere near Oakland.

Also, Pitt's campus is on top of a hill. A steep hill, too steep for buildings on all the direct routes. That'd be a heckuva climb back to campus after the game. Over the (Ohio) River and through the woods.
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(08-16-2019 09:28 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 08:08 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 03:48 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 04:52 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Anyone who plays at an NFL stadium. Pitt, San Diego State, USF.

From an outsider's perspective, Pitt's situation didn't seem to work very well. Their move off campus coincided with their disappearance from national relevance. Sad that a team with such great history can't even get 40,000 people to see them play a top-10 Oklahoma State team in 2017.

I'm most familiar with SDSU, having lived there for 3 years. The stadium is about 5 miles away. It works well for them. I mean, it's not a historical football power and half the students are commuters anyways. An on-campus stadium would work better, but probably not a whole lot better. The taxpayers recently voted to give the land that the NFL stadium is on to SDSU anyways, so now it's technically going to be an "on-campus" stadium, even though most of the "campus extension" there will be retail, a park, and faculty housing. They don't have the money to add a lot of academic space or increase enrollment because state funding has been flat and they've chased off a lot of their big donors who don't share the SDSU administration's public disdain for capitalism.
Believe it or not, Heinz Stadium, where the Steelers play,, is not very far at all from the campus of the University of Pittsburgh. I think a Pitt fan told me it was like a 5 minute walk maybe? Regardless, I've heard it's close enough that the Pittsburgh students can walk to it.

No... No it's not.

Heinz is on the "North Shore," nowhere near Oakland.

Also, Pitt's campus is on top of a hill. A steep hill, too steep for buildings on all the direct routes. That'd be a heckuva climb back to campus after the game. Over the (Ohio) River and through the woods.

Google maps tells me it would take 1:24 to walk the four miles.
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(08-16-2019 09:32 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 09:28 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 08:08 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 03:48 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 04:52 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Anyone who plays at an NFL stadium. Pitt, San Diego State, USF.

From an outsider's perspective, Pitt's situation didn't seem to work very well. Their move off campus coincided with their disappearance from national relevance. Sad that a team with such great history can't even get 40,000 people to see them play a top-10 Oklahoma State team in 2017.

I'm most familiar with SDSU, having lived there for 3 years. The stadium is about 5 miles away. It works well for them. I mean, it's not a historical football power and half the students are commuters anyways. An on-campus stadium would work better, but probably not a whole lot better. The taxpayers recently voted to give the land that the NFL stadium is on to SDSU anyways, so now it's technically going to be an "on-campus" stadium, even though most of the "campus extension" there will be retail, a park, and faculty housing. They don't have the money to add a lot of academic space or increase enrollment because state funding has been flat and they've chased off a lot of their big donors who don't share the SDSU administration's public disdain for capitalism.
Believe it or not, Heinz Stadium, where the Steelers play,, is not very far at all from the campus of the University of Pittsburgh. I think a Pitt fan told me it was like a 5 minute walk maybe? Regardless, I've heard it's close enough that the Pittsburgh students can walk to it.

No... No it's not.

Heinz is on the "North Shore," nowhere near Oakland.

Also, Pitt's campus is on top of a hill. A steep hill, too steep for buildings on all the direct routes. That'd be a heckuva climb back to campus after the game. Over the (Ohio) River and through the woods.

Google maps tells me it would take 1:24 to walk the four miles.

Is the actual distance all that relevant, though? Alumni and other fans in town don't live on campus. They are going to drive to the stadium and park at the stadium no matter how far away from campus it is.

When the team plays on campus, everyone going to the game goes to campus. They might walk through campus between the stadium and where they parked. They might tailgate on campus before the game. For a lot of alums, doing that is a regular reminder of their connection to the university. That's what a team/school loses when home games are off campus, regardless of whether the games are played 4 miles off campus or 24 miles off campus.
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(08-16-2019 09:28 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 08:08 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 03:48 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 04:52 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Anyone who plays at an NFL stadium. Pitt, San Diego State, USF.

From an outsider's perspective, Pitt's situation didn't seem to work very well. Their move off campus coincided with their disappearance from national relevance. Sad that a team with such great history can't even get 40,000 people to see them play a top-10 Oklahoma State team in 2017.

I'm most familiar with SDSU, having lived there for 3 years. The stadium is about 5 miles away. It works well for them. I mean, it's not a historical football power and half the students are commuters anyways. An on-campus stadium would work better, but probably not a whole lot better. The taxpayers recently voted to give the land that the NFL stadium is on to SDSU anyways, so now it's technically going to be an "on-campus" stadium, even though most of the "campus extension" there will be retail, a park, and faculty housing. They don't have the money to add a lot of academic space or increase enrollment because state funding has been flat and they've chased off a lot of their big donors who don't share the SDSU administration's public disdain for capitalism.
Believe it or not, Heinz Stadium, where the Steelers play,, is not very far at all from the campus of the University of Pittsburgh. I think a Pitt fan told me it was like a 5 minute walk maybe? Regardless, I've heard it's close enough that the Pittsburgh students can walk to it.

No... No it's not.

Heinz is on the "North Shore," nowhere near Oakland.

Also, Pitt's campus is on top of a hill. A steep hill, too steep for buildings on all the direct routes. That'd be a heckuva climb back to campus after the game. Over the (Ohio) River and through the woods.

Well, the Allegheny River to be fair, but still...
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(08-16-2019 11:01 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 09:32 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 09:28 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 08:08 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 03:48 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Believe it or not, Heinz Stadium, where the Steelers play,, is not very far at all from the campus of the University of Pittsburgh. I think a Pitt fan told me it was like a 5 minute walk maybe? Regardless, I've heard it's close enough that the Pittsburgh students can walk to it.

No... No it's not.

Heinz is on the "North Shore," nowhere near Oakland.

Also, Pitt's campus is on top of a hill. A steep hill, too steep for buildings on all the direct routes. That'd be a heckuva climb back to campus after the game. Over the (Ohio) River and through the woods.

Google maps tells me it would take 1:24 to walk the four miles.

Is the actual distance all that relevant, though? Alumni and other fans in town don't live on campus. They are going to drive to the stadium and park at the stadium no matter how far away from campus it is.

When the team plays on campus, everyone going to the game goes to campus. They might walk through campus between the stadium and where they parked. They might tailgate on campus before the game. For a lot of alums, doing that is a regular reminder of their connection to the university. That's what a team/school loses when home games are off campus, regardless of whether the games are played 4 miles off campus or 24 miles off campus.

Navy’s stadium is off campus. And the student section is always filled04-cheers05-stirthepot
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(08-16-2019 06:12 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 11:01 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 09:32 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 09:28 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 08:08 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  No... No it's not.

Heinz is on the "North Shore," nowhere near Oakland.

Also, Pitt's campus is on top of a hill. A steep hill, too steep for buildings on all the direct routes. That'd be a heckuva climb back to campus after the game. Over the (Ohio) River and through the woods.

Google maps tells me it would take 1:24 to walk the four miles.

Is the actual distance all that relevant, though? Alumni and other fans in town don't live on campus. They are going to drive to the stadium and park at the stadium no matter how far away from campus it is.

When the team plays on campus, everyone going to the game goes to campus. They might walk through campus between the stadium and where they parked. They might tailgate on campus before the game. For a lot of alums, doing that is a regular reminder of their connection to the university. That's what a team/school loses when home games are off campus, regardless of whether the games are played 4 miles off campus or 24 miles off campus.

Navy’s stadium is off campus. And the student section is always filled04-cheers05-stirthepot

Well its kind of like USC, less than a mile off campus.
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(08-16-2019 06:12 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Navy’s stadium is off campus. And the student section is always filled04-cheers05-stirthepot

Yes, it's "off campus" in the same way that the Colosseum is not on the USC campus - it's basically adjacent to it.

Heck, at USF, the Sundome basketball arena is on campus, but farther away from significant parts of the campus then Navy's stadium is to parts of the USNA campus.
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(08-12-2019 06:44 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 01:02 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 09:36 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Has anyone succeeded with a distant stadium.
On campus is preferable but several schools have off campus.
U Conn plays forty miles from campus U Mass even further.
U Mass has an on campus smaller stadium.
Has U Conn ever played on campus and do they have that possibility for FCS foes.
U Mass has the better football situation if the on campus stadium reaches mid twenties in capacity.
U Conn the better overall and basketball situation.
They need to build a rivalry to build up their programs.

Has any program succeeded with a stadium so far from campus.

UConn plays 23 miles from campus. It is still further than ideal, but I just wanted to correct that distance claim.
I got the forty miles from a post on here.
Got me thinking how U Mass and U Conn play off campus further off campus than most.
I hope U Conn does well JMU and NDSU join FBS if they want while staying in good for them olympic conferences.
A nice group of independents emerge giving schools options .

Just stop with the fake news about UMass playing their games off campus. We needed to play off campus for 2 years while moving up to FBS, but the Kraft Group required 4 years. We have NOT played off campus and will not give up a home game to play UConn at Gillette. College football belongs on campus and that is were we play.

We are doing incremental improvements.
2014 spent 36.5M to add a new Press and Sky Box and create the Performance Center at the end of the North End zone.

2019 we added a new hospitality plaza at the South End Zone, new 48 feet by 20.4 Video Boards, new rest rooms and had railing for ADA requirements. The new Turf field is already in for the the new IPF.

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https://umassathletics.com/news/2019/2/2...h=football

We are not improving our on campus stadium to play 70 miles off campus in an NFL stadium were we get ZERO, parking, concessions and just a 150k payout on ticket sales.

Expansion will only happen after several sell outs in the same season. The IPF was paid for with a 5.58M donation from Martin Jacobson and the Video Boards were paid for with a 500k donation from Pual and David Manganaro.
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(08-16-2019 06:12 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 11:01 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 09:32 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 09:28 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 08:08 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  No... No it's not.

Heinz is on the "North Shore," nowhere near Oakland.

Also, Pitt's campus is on top of a hill. A steep hill, too steep for buildings on all the direct routes. That'd be a heckuva climb back to campus after the game. Over the (Ohio) River and through the woods.

Google maps tells me it would take 1:24 to walk the four miles.

Is the actual distance all that relevant, though? Alumni and other fans in town don't live on campus. They are going to drive to the stadium and park at the stadium no matter how far away from campus it is.

When the team plays on campus, everyone going to the game goes to campus. They might walk through campus between the stadium and where they parked. They might tailgate on campus before the game. For a lot of alums, doing that is a regular reminder of their connection to the university. That's what a team/school loses when home games are off campus, regardless of whether the games are played 4 miles off campus or 24 miles off campus.

Navy’s stadium is off campus. And the student section is always filled04-cheers05-stirthepot

The student section is always filled! Hmm, what strategy do they use to ensure that the student section is always filled... what could it be? 03-idea
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(08-16-2019 06:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 06:12 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Navy’s stadium is off campus. And the student section is always filled04-cheers05-stirthepot

Yes, it's "off campus" in the same way that the Colosseum is not on the USC campus - it's basically adjacent to it.

Heck, at USF, the Sundome basketball arena is on campus, but farther away from significant parts of the campus then Navy's stadium is to parts of the USNA campus.

Which is why the on-off campus debate is somewhat specious. When you can have campus sizes that can range from GT all the way to USAFA, where the stadium is becomes more of a function of fan engagement capability rather than proximity to the schools quad.

To me the conversation should revolve around Pitt, UCF, USF and Temple and whether their experiences can form a collective framework or if they if fact disparate situations.
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Temple and USF are looking into on campus stadiums.
To me the two stadium approach for them Buffalo and Cincinnati would be ideal.
Cincinnati has a perfect on campus right sized sradium.
Playing a P5 in the NFL stadium ever so often would raise their profile.
Temple was considering 35k I believe they could do the same not yearly just occasionally play at the NFL stadium USF also.

Like Gonzaga playing most games in 6k kennel then bigger names in city owned arena.
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(08-16-2019 06:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 06:12 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Navy’s stadium is off campus. And the student section is always filled04-cheers05-stirthepot

Yes, it's "off campus" in the same way that the Colosseum is not on the USC campus - it's basically adjacent to it.

Heck, at USF, the Sundome basketball arena is on campus, but farther away from significant parts of the campus then Navy's stadium is to parts of the USNA campus.

Which is why the on-off campus debate is somewhat specious. When you can have campus sizes that can range from GT all the way to USAFA, where the stadium is becomes more of a function of fan engagement capability rather than proximity to the schools quad.

To me the conversation should revolve around Pitt, UCF, USF and Temple and whether their experiences can form a collective framework or if they if fact disparate situations.

I agree, buut there is a core point here: What makes an "on campus" stadium valuable is that (a) it creates a unique student atmosphere and (b) it evokes nostalgia in visiting alumni and thus reinforces their bond with the institution. Those things don't happen "off campus". I know because while I have returned to Tampa and have enjoyed football games at RJ stadium downtown, it doesn't evoke the feelings i have when i tour the campus.

Now, as USC and Navy demonstrate, the stadium doesn't have to literally be 'on campus' to create those effects, because the "campus community" can extend beyond the technical boundaries of the campus to include adjacent streets, housing areas, entertainment districts, etc. E.g., you probably have fond memories as a Midshipman of walking off the USNA campus to the bars and restaurants on Main Street and around the Maryland State House. That's all part of the Navy campus community as well, so a stadium in that kind of place, like the actual Navy stadium is in another direction, is functionally "on campus".

But move much father away, and i bet the effect rapidly fades.
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