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RE: This is what I think the CFB Playoff format should look like
An eight team playoff should include:

The five P5 teams that win their CCG

Three at larges who either
1) Win their CCG
2) Don’t lose a CCG

This means ANY team playing in a CCG has the opportunity to win their way in the playoffs in a sudden death format. Basically making CCG’s a sort of opening round.

Teams that don’t lose a CCG would be Independent teams and teams in the P5 that are nationally in the top 10, but maybe were a runner-up in the division.
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This is what I think the CFB Playoff format should look like
12 teams
4 byes
Next get extra 4 home games
All conference champions
Two at large.
Make all championships matter


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(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Just pick the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation or conference title.

What’s so hard to understand?

Opinions don’t matter- winning does.


The G5 and non-helmet schools in the P5 will get subjectively held out on a fairly consistent basis in any contested spot.

So while I would prefer a slight modification (capping number of losses at 2 allowed for a P5 or top G5 autobid to qualify) I will go along with the autobid idea since #8 who lost twice getting held out isn’t the crime that holding out an unbeaten G5 is.

I think if you lose three times the autobid needs to be nullified. If two or less then you can get it. Don’t lose 20+% of your games.
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(08-10-2019 12:16 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Just pick the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation or conference title.

What’s so hard to understand?

Opinions don’t matter- winning does.


The G5 and non-helmet schools in the P5 will get subjectively held out on a fairly consistent basis in any contested spot.

So while I would prefer a slight modification (capping number of losses at 2 allowed for a P5 or top G5 autobid to qualify) I will go along with the autobid idea since #8 who lost twice getting held out isn’t the crime that holding out an unbeaten G5 is.

I think if you lose three times the autobid needs to be nullified. If two or less then you can get it. Don’t lose 20+% of your games.

No, no, no. Winning LATE in the season matters, which is exactly why winning a P5 CCG is so important when the season is all on the line.

Have the CCG’s become a de facto opening round is a win for conferences, a win for great teams that lost early (suspensions, injuries, etc.), and a win for the playoffs by securing the hottest teams.

Everybody needs to get the idea of the sacred undefeated season out of their minds. College football has playoffs like the NFL, and it is more similar to the NFL than the “glory days” of writers deciding the “champion” when there were three 10-0 teams to vote for.
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This is what I think the CFB Playoff format should look like
(08-10-2019 12:45 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 12:16 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Just pick the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation or conference title.

What’s so hard to understand?

Opinions don’t matter- winning does.


The G5 and non-helmet schools in the P5 will get subjectively held out on a fairly consistent basis in any contested spot.

So while I would prefer a slight modification (capping number of losses at 2 allowed for a P5 or top G5 autobid to qualify) I will go along with the autobid idea since #8 who lost twice getting held out isn’t the crime that holding out an unbeaten G5 is.

I think if you lose three times the autobid needs to be nullified. If two or less then you can get it. Don’t lose 20+% of your games.

No, no, no. Winning LATE in the season matters, which is exactly why winning a P5 CCG is so important when the season is all on the line.

Have the CCG’s become a de facto opening round is a win for conferences, a win for great teams that lost early (suspensions, injuries, etc.), and a win for the playoffs by securing the hottest teams.

Everybody needs to get the idea of the sacred undefeated season out of their minds. College football has playoffs like the NFL, and it is more similar to the NFL than the “glory days” of writers deciding the “champion” when there were three 10-0 teams to vote for.


If you beat everyone you play you deserve a shot. Full stop

Unbeaten teams win late in the year too
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(08-10-2019 12:50 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 12:45 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 12:16 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Just pick the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation or conference title.

What’s so hard to understand?

Opinions don’t matter- winning does.


The G5 and non-helmet schools in the P5 will get subjectively held out on a fairly consistent basis in any contested spot.

So while I would prefer a slight modification (capping number of losses at 2 allowed for a P5 or top G5 autobid to qualify) I will go along with the autobid idea since #8 who lost twice getting held out isn’t the crime that holding out an unbeaten G5 is.

I think if you lose three times the autobid needs to be nullified. If two or less then you can get it. Don’t lose 20+% of your games.

No, no, no. Winning LATE in the season matters, which is exactly why winning a P5 CCG is so important when the season is all on the line.

Have the CCG’s become a de facto opening round is a win for conferences, a win for great teams that lost early (suspensions, injuries, etc.), and a win for the playoffs by securing the hottest teams.

Everybody needs to get the idea of the sacred undefeated season out of their minds. College football has playoffs like the NFL, and it is more similar to the NFL than the “glory days” of writers deciding the “champion” when there were three 10-0 teams to vote for.


If you beat everyone you play you deserve a shot. Full stop

Unbeaten teams win late in the year too

My point is being undefeated is not some sacred cow anymore. It’s not, UCF proved that, Boise, Utah, Tulane proved that.
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(08-10-2019 12:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 12:50 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 12:45 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 12:16 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Just pick the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation or conference title.

What’s so hard to understand?

Opinions don’t matter- winning does.


The G5 and non-helmet schools in the P5 will get subjectively held out on a fairly consistent basis in any contested spot.

So while I would prefer a slight modification (capping number of losses at 2 allowed for a P5 or top G5 autobid to qualify) I will go along with the autobid idea since #8 who lost twice getting held out isn’t the crime that holding out an unbeaten G5 is.

I think if you lose three times the autobid needs to be nullified. If two or less then you can get it. Don’t lose 20+% of your games.

No, no, no. Winning LATE in the season matters, which is exactly why winning a P5 CCG is so important when the season is all on the line.

Have the CCG’s become a de facto opening round is a win for conferences, a win for great teams that lost early (suspensions, injuries, etc.), and a win for the playoffs by securing the hottest teams.

Everybody needs to get the idea of the sacred undefeated season out of their minds. College football has playoffs like the NFL, and it is more similar to the NFL than the “glory days” of writers deciding the “champion” when there were three 10-0 teams to vote for.


If you beat everyone you play you deserve a shot. Full stop

Unbeaten teams win late in the year too

My point is being undefeated is not some sacred cow anymore. It’s not, UCF proved that, Boise, Utah, Tulane proved that.


An unbeaten deserves a shot over a two loss team. In a top 8 playoff especially so
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(08-10-2019 12:59 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 12:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 12:50 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 12:45 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 12:16 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Opinions don’t matter- winning does.


The G5 and non-helmet schools in the P5 will get subjectively held out on a fairly consistent basis in any contested spot.

So while I would prefer a slight modification (capping number of losses at 2 allowed for a P5 or top G5 autobid to qualify) I will go along with the autobid idea since #8 who lost twice getting held out isn’t the crime that holding out an unbeaten G5 is.

I think if you lose three times the autobid needs to be nullified. If two or less then you can get it. Don’t lose 20+% of your games.

No, no, no. Winning LATE in the season matters, which is exactly why winning a P5 CCG is so important when the season is all on the line.

Have the CCG’s become a de facto opening round is a win for conferences, a win for great teams that lost early (suspensions, injuries, etc.), and a win for the playoffs by securing the hottest teams.

Everybody needs to get the idea of the sacred undefeated season out of their minds. College football has playoffs like the NFL, and it is more similar to the NFL than the “glory days” of writers deciding the “champion” when there were three 10-0 teams to vote for.


If you beat everyone you play you deserve a shot. Full stop

Unbeaten teams win late in the year too

My point is being undefeated is not some sacred cow anymore. It’s not, UCF proved that, Boise, Utah, Tulane proved that.


An unbeaten deserves a shot over a two loss team. In a top 8 playoff especially so

A top 8 playoff doesn’t guarantee an undefeated team will be invited. That’s leaving an awful lot up to a committee of “experts”.

A playoff that states in not so many words “if you lose a CCG, you’re out”, would give an undefeated G5 team a better shot than a top 8.
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For me it comes down to the fact that if you’re going to have a division of football, common sense dictates that everyone within that division needs to have a realistic path to winning the championship of that division.

Can you imagine starting in NFL season whereby the AFC West and the NFC South are not eligible for the Super Bowl?

What’s the point in them completing them? What exactly are they competing for? The honor of “Dear Old State?”

Eff that!

Look, I’m a Pittsburgh Pirates fan. I fully realize that the odds of us winning a World Series are extraordinarily low. Even if we are run exceptionally well – which the Pirates clearly are not Dash the deck is decidedly stacked against us.

Incidentally, the same goes for half the teams Major League Baseball. The Brewers, the Reds, the Twins, the Indians, the Marlins, the Rays, etc. It’s very unlikely that any of us is ever going to win the World Series in our lifetimes, because the system is specifically set up for that not to happen.

ESPN and FOX are footing the bill and they simply don’t want to have the Reds playing the Orioles in the World Series. They want the Cubs, the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Dodgers, etc.

However, there is still a pathway by which a team in our position can go to a championship and win it and that creates an illusion of fairness that helps baseball. Hell, the Kansas City Royals WON the World Series a few years ago. Now, MLB has done everything they can to make you forget all about that, because from their perspective it was an abject travesty. However, for a fan of the small-market team like me, that triumph was a ray of hope.

Never mind the fact that every other World Series champion over the past several years has been from Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Houston, etc. – all of the big boys. The fact that there’s a Kansas City in there as well means it’s at least possible, if unlikely.

College football need to do the same thing. If you are not going to let the Memphises and the Miami of Ohio’s and the Troy’s of the world compete for your championship, then they are not really competing in the same division and that needs to be officially acknowledged. They are effectively the new 1-AA sub-division.

From there, where does it stop? We have already talked about eliminating entire major conferences and we have eliminated a lot of the former major conferences. At what point does that turn inward and we look to call the freeloading members of existing leagues? How could Mississippi State feel safe? Vanderbilt? Purdue? Duke?

Is that really where people want to go with this? Do you really want to continue to trim and trim and trim? Personally, I don’t think so because in cutting out so much of the “loose fat” you’re also effectively cutting out a lot of the existing interest in your sport.

If someone is a fan of the say, Northwestern and they get booted out of the club for whatever reason, nine out of 10 times they are not going to switch to Illinois or a random school like USC as their new allegiance, they’re just going to stop watching college football.

Why would anyone want that?
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I want to dispel one final myth that is constantly repeated when people talk about expanding the playoff. They say that it would reduce the interest in regular season games.

First of all, so what if it did? No other major sport prioritizes its regular season over its postseason. This is America, not Europe and here, the postseason is when the money is on the table.

Not one soul outside of New England was upset whenever the Giants beat the Patriots for the Super Bowl a few years ago – not one. Were Giants better than the Patriots that year? Hell no, they weren’t. The Patriots were steam rolling everyone that year. That’s one of the greatest teams the history of the NFL. However, on that particular day, the Giants were a hair better and won the game and the championship.

The Patriots finished 18-1....and in second place.

I’ve never heard anyone suggest that was somehow unjust or invalid. Rather everyone just accepted it for what it was and chalked it up to one of the beauties of pro football and why it is the most popular sports league in the world. Anyone can beat anyone else on any given Sunday – even Super Bowl Sunday.

Secondly, and more importantly, no, it will not reduce interest!

The NFL gives you a really good window into how it would most likely work and the way it works in the NFL — and the way it would definitely work in college football – is it would actually enhance regular season viewership because people would know that they were not necessarily out of contention by Week Four after their disappointing loss to Tennessee or Oregon or Texas Tech or whomever.

Let’s say Alabama was slated to play Clemson in Week Four of this year. Given the recent history of those two schools, do you honestly think people would have only a passing interest in that game? Everyone would watch the game — everyone! And then, if they play again later in the season, everyone would watch that game too!

It’s just a stone cold myth that many people have bought without really thinking about it critically.
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(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Just pick the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation or conference title.

What’s so hard to understand?
Well most of the time the Top 8 would hit those marks. I rather have it where you have to win it on the field. Picking the "Top 8" schools uses the eye test instead on the field results. Conference Champs won their games on the field. If Penn State is 9-4 and wins the Big Ten by beating 12-0 Wisconsin good for them. Wisconsin had a chance to win their conference but lost, however they would most likely still get the at-large spot.
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(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Of course they do. Perfect plan and the one which will be adopted. God knows we dont want 3 SEC teams in there.
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You know we don't have to reinvent the wheel here. College basketball gave us a blue print to make December Delirium:

Every conference that is recognized as a conference sends their champ.
Have some at larges.
No byes.

This is the formula that propelled the March Madness success, the 64 team model.

So for football there are 10 conferences. 16 is the closest number that breaks evenly.

Autobids deserve an advantage and so do higher ranked teams. Must be an autobid winner to host first week. Higher seeds host. Committee seeds the tournament. NY6 bowls alternate between hosting quarters and semi and championship. Both semis are played at one location on Saturday before or after NYD. Championship the second monday after NYD. First round is held Thursday, Friday and Saturday two weeks after championship games. #1 and #2 seeds play Thursday, #3, #4, #5, host on Friday. #6, #7, #8 on Saturday.

That's 72 hrs of college football being the focus in front of rabid home crowds.

This year it would be:

Opening round December 19-21 (highest autobid seed hosts)
Quarters 27-28 regional (west Rose/Fiesta/Cottton east Orange/Peach/Sugar)
Semi January 4th (same location, one of two not hosting regional/quarters)
Final January 13th (which ever location hasn't hosted regional, or semi)

Everyone has a path, power teams have advantage, ny6 bowls are still important, regional feel, committee for the country to argue about in getting it wrong for seeding and at larges. 25 days of college football being the focus of the sports world.
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(08-10-2019 01:51 PM)westwolf Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Of course they do. Perfect plan and the one which will be adopted. God knows we dont want 3 SEC teams in there.

Perfect? Money is the only thing that matters. No room for sense and fairness. The SEC would definitely love to get 3-4 teams into an expanded playoff!
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Wow, I can’t believe this thread is allowed to continue
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(08-10-2019 04:02 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Wow, I can’t believe this thread is allowed to continue

Do you even BBS, brah??
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(08-10-2019 04:13 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 04:02 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Wow, I can’t believe this thread is allowed to continue

Do you even BBS, brah??
BBS?
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10 Conference Champions
2 at large slots from the two highest ranked non conference champion

12 teams, top 4 get a bye.
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(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Just pick the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation or conference title.

What’s so hard to understand?

Because taking the top 8 regardless of other factors is absurd, and runs counter to the very notion of a playoff.

If you were to just take the completely subjectively ranked top 8, you might as well as take the top 1 and declare that team champion, like the old days. There is no practical difference between to two.
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(08-11-2019 03:37 PM)megadrone Wrote:  10 Conference Champions
2 at large slots from the two highest ranked non conference champion

12 teams, top 4 get a bye.

This is the only legitimate playoff format.
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