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(08-09-2019 08:30 PM)KingSean Wrote:  Both St. THOMAS and Augustana would be great adds to the Summit League. Sioux Falls is a growing city and St.thomas is a great athletic program

It's true that St. Thomas has a much larger student body and endowment. However in terms of men's basketball fan support Augustana compares favorably to most of the Summit League members. That's not true of St. Thomas. Here are the 2018-19 basketball season average home attendance numbers:

2,715 South Dakota State
2,232 Omaha
2,231 Augustana
2,231 North Dakota State
2,227 Oral Roberts
2,205 South Dakota
1,654 North Dakota
1,369 Purdue Fort Wayne
1,255 Denver
1,179 UMKC
701 St. Thomas
466 Western Illinois

Augustana also has the edge in facilities. The Vikings play in this arena:

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St. Thomas plays in this gym:

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I think this could be St. Thomas. I looked at every school in Texas, California, as I was looking to see who besides UT Dallas and UC Santa Criz stood out. Nobody. Maybe somebody out there has another candidate. But anyway you' see why when the numbers are compared to these two very large D-II public schools with plenty of money to move up, at least to D-II is they so choose. But Augustana has twice as many participants and a solid upper D-II level budget. Of course they play football which skews it, and obviously they'd have to double the budget to play FCS -- of course they could opt for Pioneer football and basically leave it as D-III, but I think if they move up football would not be parked on the backseat. The data says, and lack of rumors say, it clearly isn't one of the public schools.

The University of Texas at Dallas
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 15,276 (Men: 8,686, Women: 6,590)
Participants non-duplicated: 292 (161 Men, 131 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $3,407,958

University of California-Santa Cruz
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 17,082 (Men: 8,523, Women: 8,559)
Participants non-duplicated: 312 (157 Men, 155 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $2,149,337

University of St Thomas
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 5,938 (Men: 3,181, Women: 2,757)
Participants non-duplicated: 704 (457 Men, 247 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $4,859,893


Are there any other candidates from D-III that would make any sense?
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(08-10-2019 03:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I think this could be St. Thomas. I looked at every school in Texas, California, as I was looking to see who besides UT Dallas and UC Santa Criz stood out. Nobody. Maybe somebody out there has another candidate. But anyway you' see why when the numbers are compared to these two very large D-II public schools with plenty of money to move up, at least to D-II is they so choose. But Augustana has twice as many participants and a solid upper D-II level budget. Of course they play football which skews it, and obviously they'd have to double the budget to play FCS -- of course they could opt for Pioneer football and basically leave it as D-III, but I think if they move up football would not be parked on the backseat. The data says, and lack of rumors say, it clearly isn't one of the public schools.

The University of Texas at Dallas
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 15,276 (Men: 8,686, Women: 6,590)
Participants non-duplicated: 292 (161 Men, 131 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $3,407,958

University of California-Santa Cruz
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 17,082 (Men: 8,523, Women: 8,559)
Participants non-duplicated: 312 (157 Men, 155 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $2,149,337

University of St Thomas
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 5,938 (Men: 3,181, Women: 2,757)
Participants non-duplicated: 704 (457 Men, 247 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $4,859,893


Are there any other candidates from D-III that would make any sense?

RIT. They have proven they can raise money to improve facilities and athletics, have nearly 16,000 undergrads and $1 billion endowment, and are already D1 in hockey. I could see them in America East or (eventually) as an A-10 school.
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NYU
51,848 students enrolled in fall 2018.
endowment over $4 billion close to $5 billion.
athletics spending:$7,182,523.
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(08-10-2019 06:17 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 03:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I think this could be St. Thomas. I looked at every school in Texas, California, as I was looking to see who besides UT Dallas and UC Santa Criz stood out. Nobody. Maybe somebody out there has another candidate. But anyway you' see why when the numbers are compared to these two very large D-II public schools with plenty of money to move up, at least to D-II is they so choose. But Augustana has twice as many participants and a solid upper D-II level budget. Of course they play football which skews it, and obviously they'd have to double the budget to play FCS -- of course they could opt for Pioneer football and basically leave it as D-III, but I think if they move up football would not be parked on the backseat. The data says, and lack of rumors say, it clearly isn't one of the public schools.

The University of Texas at Dallas
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 15,276 (Men: 8,686, Women: 6,590)
Participants non-duplicated: 292 (161 Men, 131 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $3,407,958

University of California-Santa Cruz
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 17,082 (Men: 8,523, Women: 8,559)
Participants non-duplicated: 312 (157 Men, 155 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $2,149,337

University of St Thomas
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 5,938 (Men: 3,181, Women: 2,757)
Participants non-duplicated: 704 (457 Men, 247 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $4,859,893


Are there any other candidates from D-III that would make any sense?

RIT. They have proven they can raise money to improve facilities and athletics, have nearly 16,000 undergrads and $1 billion endowment, and are already D1 in hockey. I could see them in America East or (eventually) as an A-10 school.

If they had football, they’d be Patriot League candidates.
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(08-10-2019 11:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NYU
51,848 students enrolled in fall 2018.
endowment over $4 billion close to $5 billion.
athletics spending:$7,182,523.

That is the total enrollment over many campuses.

“From a student body of 158 during NYU's very first semester, enrollment has grown to more than 50,000 students at five major centers in Manhattan and in sites in Africa, Asia, Europe, and South America“
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(08-10-2019 03:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I think this could be St. Thomas. I looked at every school in Texas, California, as I was looking to see who besides UT Dallas and UC Santa Criz stood out. Nobody. Maybe somebody out there has another candidate. But anyway you' see why when the numbers are compared to these two very large D-II public schools with plenty of money to move up, at least to D-II is they so choose. But Augustana has twice as many participants and a solid upper D-II level budget. Of course they play football which skews it, and obviously they'd have to double the budget to play FCS -- of course they could opt for Pioneer football and basically leave it as D-III, but I think if they move up football would not be parked on the backseat. The data says, and lack of rumors say, it clearly isn't one of the public schools.

The University of Texas at Dallas
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 15,276 (Men: 8,686, Women: 6,590)
Participants non-duplicated: 292 (161 Men, 131 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $3,407,958

University of California-Santa Cruz
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 17,082 (Men: 8,523, Women: 8,559)
Participants non-duplicated: 312 (157 Men, 155 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $2,149,337

University of St Thomas
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 5,938 (Men: 3,181, Women: 2,757)
Participants non-duplicated: 704 (457 Men, 247 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $4,859,893


Are there any other candidates from D-III that would make any sense?

Christopher Newport in Newport News, Virginia has an enrollment a shade under 5,000 and an athletic budget a bit over $10M, per this story. There's only three D2 schools in Virginia — Virginia State and Virginia Union in the CIAA, and Virginia-Wise way on the other side of the state — so moving up meant going to better D3 conferences. If there's a path directly to D1, would they be interested? Hard to tell, but they're expanding pretty quickly and I could see them being a good fit in the Big South with neighboring Hampton an instant rival.
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University of Chicago.
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(08-10-2019 01:28 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  University of Chicago.

IVY League adds the Maroons and Violets.
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(08-10-2019 11:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NYU
51,848 students enrolled in fall 2018.
endowment over $4 billion close to $5 billion.
athletics spending:$7,182,523.

No, they are not a sports University. They are a very different animal, more like the European Urban Universities. There is no campus life, rather the city life. Even the Boston schools like Northeastern, BU and Harvard have more life in them. This is a case where total number of students (25,175 undergrads, about 58% women) is the only metric that says possible. But the lifestyle is just so different, living in high rises, riding the subway to school, no Greek row, none of the usual rallying points. (A "slumming" version of this type of school is SF State, where 3rd tier students from the city take Muni to class, and only 5% live on or near campus; those being well over 1/3rd foreign students -- I mention this because you have brought them up before as well)

(08-10-2019 06:17 AM)whittx Wrote:  RIT. They have proven they can raise money to improve facilities and athletics, have nearly 16,000 undergrads and $1 billion endowment, and are already D1 in hockey. I could see them in America East or (eventually) as an A-10 school.

This is actually a decent possible:

Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 12,435 (Men: 8,387, Women: 4,048)
$6,603,812 budget

346 men (499 with duplicates in 2nd sports), 229 women (299 with duplicates) participate in athletics

However, they have only 4 full time coaches: Men's Ice Hockey, Women's Ice Hockey, Men's Lacrosse, Men's Soccer (?). Almost $4M of the budget is in Ice Hockey (60%), and it is the only sport with attendance. The other sports when you remove general overhead of $1.6M, get only about $1M split among them. This shows with 2 of the 4 full time coaches being Ice Hockey. No full timers for Basketball, Basketball, Volleyball, Softball or other conference sports.

This looks like a Hockey only school. D-III works for them, because a lot of young men who are good in Math and Science like to play sports, but D-I would preclude them from playing. RIT is about attracting Engineers and Scientists, not jocks. So while plausible on the overall number count, the specifics point to them staying D-III.

But a better candidate than others I've seen thrown out.
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(08-10-2019 12:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Christopher Newport in Newport News, Virginia has an enrollment a shade under 5,000 and an athletic budget a bit over $10M, per this story. There's only three D2 schools in Virginia — Virginia State and Virginia Union in the CIAA, and Virginia-Wise way on the other side of the state — so moving up meant going to better D3 conferences. If there's a path directly to D1, would they be interested? Hard to tell, but they're expanding pretty quickly and I could see them being a good fit in the Big South with neighboring Hampton an instant rival.

Good candidate. Better than RIT for this. DoE numbers validate.

Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 4,867 (Men: 2,115, Women: 2,752)
Grand Total Participants: 441 Men, 258 Women
non duplicate Participants: 347 Men, 217 Women

$9,859,079 Athletic Budget, All the right sports including Football.

They don't have a huge Basketball fan base, only 765 per game, but actually that is top 10 for D-III.

Right now I think this is even ahead of St. Thomas. (Need to look at Wooster, Marietta and Augustana in Illinois, as these have good Basketball attendance, #2, #3 and #4 in D-III; Hope Int'l is on top, but they are a weird 500 student school OC that seems to exist only for sports ... can't see the NCAA seriously considering this fly by night school).
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(08-09-2019 09:32 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 05:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Does the Summit League actually want St Thomas? Wouldn’t they rather have some of the Minnesota state schools?
Of course, but they'd have to drop football to move up and they have a really nice thing going in the NSIC. Hockey drives the bus at those schools, but football still has strong support and they don't want to kill that to join a low-end D1 conference.

Not necessarily. D3 is non-scholarship, unlike D2 & NAIA. The Tommies could out football in the Pioneer League.
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(08-10-2019 01:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 01:28 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  University of Chicago.

IVY League adds the Maroons and Violets.

I remember seeing somewhere that the Ivy League was looking at MIT as an expansion candidate.

I'll throw out another candidate which I have never heard mentioned before. Unlike others, this candidate is not in the East or the Midwest, but rather the West, the Pacific Northwest to be specific: George Fox University in Newberg, Oregon, a suburb of Portland. GFU draws pretty decently in sports from what I have heard, but I would like to see some numbers on them.
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(08-10-2019 11:54 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 06:17 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 03:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I think this could be St. Thomas. I looked at every school in Texas, California, as I was looking to see who besides UT Dallas and UC Santa Criz stood out. Nobody. Maybe somebody out there has another candidate. But anyway you' see why when the numbers are compared to these two very large D-II public schools with plenty of money to move up, at least to D-II is they so choose. But Augustana has twice as many participants and a solid upper D-II level budget. Of course they play football which skews it, and obviously they'd have to double the budget to play FCS -- of course they could opt for Pioneer football and basically leave it as D-III, but I think if they move up football would not be parked on the backseat. The data says, and lack of rumors say, it clearly isn't one of the public schools.

The University of Texas at Dallas
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 15,276 (Men: 8,686, Women: 6,590)
Participants non-duplicated: 292 (161 Men, 131 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $3,407,958

University of California-Santa Cruz
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 17,082 (Men: 8,523, Women: 8,559)
Participants non-duplicated: 312 (157 Men, 155 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $2,149,337

University of St Thomas
Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 5,938 (Men: 3,181, Women: 2,757)
Participants non-duplicated: 704 (457 Men, 247 Women)
Total Athletic Expenses: $4,859,893


Are there any other candidates from D-III that would make any sense?

RIT. They have proven they can raise money to improve facilities and athletics, have nearly 16,000 undergrads and $1 billion endowment, and are already D1 in hockey. I could see them in America East or (eventually) as an A-10 school.

If they had football, they’d be Patriot League candidates.

If they were looking for a school in Rochester with a football program and high level (UAA) academics, they would take the University of Rochester. They would have pursued this path decades ago if they were interested in upgrading athletics.
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(08-09-2019 06:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Which D3 schools have large enrollments?

NYU for starters.
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(08-10-2019 02:40 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 12:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Christopher Newport in Newport News, Virginia has an enrollment a shade under 5,000 and an athletic budget a bit over $10M, per this story. There's only three D2 schools in Virginia — Virginia State and Virginia Union in the CIAA, and Virginia-Wise way on the other side of the state — so moving up meant going to better D3 conferences. If there's a path directly to D1, would they be interested? Hard to tell, but they're expanding pretty quickly and I could see them being a good fit in the Big South with neighboring Hampton an instant rival.

Good candidate. Better than RIT for this. DoE numbers validate.

Number of Full-time Undergraduates: 4,867 (Men: 2,115, Women: 2,752)
Grand Total Participants: 441 Men, 258 Women
non duplicate Participants: 347 Men, 217 Women

$9,859,079 Athletic Budget, All the right sports including Football.

They don't have a huge Basketball fan base, only 765 per game, but actually that is top 10 for D-III.

Right now I think this is even ahead of St. Thomas. (Need to look at Wooster, Marietta and Augustana in Illinois, as these have good Basketball attendance, #2, #3 and #4 in D-III; Hope Int'l is on top, but they are a weird 500 student school OC that seems to exist only for sports ... can't see the NCAA seriously considering this fly by night school).

I don't think that's accurate. CNU doesn't really seem like a school that wants to go D1, having been in that area for awhile (They're 30 minutes down the road from William and Mary). Hard to really explain why, just something I have a hard time seeing happen.
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As fun as it is to speculate about UAA schools, there's a reason they are where they are. NYU and Chicago would have the Big Ten and ACC blowing up their phones if they started considering major athletics again, but they won't.

(08-10-2019 03:16 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 09:32 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 05:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Does the Summit League actually want St Thomas? Wouldn’t they rather have some of the Minnesota state schools?
Of course, but they'd have to drop football to move up and they have a really nice thing going in the NSIC. Hockey drives the bus at those schools, but football still has strong support and they don't want to kill that to join a low-end D1 conference.

Not necessarily. D3 is non-scholarship, unlike D2 & NAIA. The Tommies could out football in the Pioneer League.
I was talking about the state schools, UMD/SCSU/MSUM in particular. I don't know enough about St. Thomas to speculate on what would or wouldn't work for them.
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Pratt Institute 4829
Salisbury U. 7383
Gettysburg 2451
John's Hopkins 26,402 $7.2 B. endowment
Baruch 17,433
City College of NYC 16,161
John Jay Criminal of Law 15,045
Lehman 12,398
Brooklyn 17,803
College of Staten Island 13,798 moving to D2
Medger Evars 7156
York College 6000
Roger Williams 5365
U. of New England 13,743
WIT 3728
Suffolk 7560
Stevens Inst. of Tech 6125
Johnson and Wales RI 12,930
Rose-Hulman 2233
Catholic U. 5956
U. of Scranton 5422
Clarkson 4360
Hobart 2237 UG
Ithaca 6969
RPI 7962
Rochester Inst. of Tech 19,047
Vassar 2456 $1.083 B endowment
Rhode Island College 9000
UMass.-Boston 16,146
UMass.-Dartmouth 8047
Southern Maine 7855
Stevenson 3621
Widener 6469
York, PA. 5564
FDU-Florham should merge athletics department to the main D1 campus.
Bridgewater State 10,018
Mass. Maritime 2031 they are closer to VMI and the Citadel in enrollment
Salem State 9301
Amherst 1817 $2.25 B endowment
Bowdoin 1805 $1.46 B. endowment
Hamilton 1864 $905 M. endowment
Middlebury 2507 $1.07 B. endowment
Tufts 5138 $1.77 B. endowment
Worcester Tech 5575 $519 M. endowment
Wesleyan Conn. 2870 $1 B.
Williams 2924 $2.44 B.
MIT 11,574 $16.53 B.
Monclair State 21,115
Rutger-Newark 12,321
William Patterson 10,252
Kean U. 16,000+
Rowan 19,465 have plans going to D1.
Husson 3500 I think they have the endowment.
Denison 2300 UG large endowment
Depauw 2300 UG LE
Oberlin College 2853 LE
Illinois Tech 7266
Lewis and Clark 3390 better Endowment than George Fox. GF only have $16 M endowment.
University of Puget Sound 2666 LE.
Willamette University 2104 LE
University of Mount Union 2200 UG $131 M. En.
Washington and Lee University 2264 $1.603 billion
Farmingdale State 9470
Yeshiva 6744
Centre 1430 UG
Rhodes 2030 LE
Sewanee 1653 UG LE
Clairmont-Mudd-Scripps combined of 3 schools
CalTech 2233 $2.93 B.
Chapman 9142
Laverne 8517
Redlands 4898
Colorado College 2011 LE
Trinity, TX. 2487 $1.185 B
Webster 14,471
Buffalo State 9118
Brandies 5786 $1.04 B.
Carnegie Mellon 10,875 $1.72 B
Case Western Reserve 11,824 $1.9 B
Emery 11,824 $6.5 B
Wash. MO. 13,527 $6.5
All D3 Wisconsin schools when the mergers of the Community Colleges merged into them.

I picked lower enrollment because of their large endowments.

UG=undergraduates
LE=large endowments
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Brockport would be more likely than Buff State. That being said, the ability for a non university center SUNY school to come up with the resources to go D-1 is laughable at this point. The only schools that could reasonably go D-1 in anything would be Plattsburgh or Oswego in hockey.
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(08-10-2019 08:24 PM)whittx Wrote:  Brockport would be more likely than Buff State. That being said, the ability for a non university center SUNY school to come up with the resources to go D-1 is laughable at this point. The only schools that could reasonably go D-1 in anything at this point would be Plattsburgh or Oswego in jockey.

Oswego has a beautiful hockey arena and draw 2500 a game for D-3. When I went there we sat in a freezing cold Quonset Hut to watch them play.

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