(08-09-2019 01:38 PM)InsiderTiger Wrote: Maybe this guy can get an on-campus football stadium built
And you'll probably sh*t on him seven years from now when that inevitably doesn't happen.
Nah, it's a complicated proposition. You have to get out of liberty bowl without completely pissing off the city (or you have a president who doesn't care about that). Then
you have to have the cash on hand to build said stadium.
His background in capital projects could give him an advantage on pulling the necessary cash and plan needed together to actually do it.
Building an on-campus football stadium is going to take a decade to unwind the relationships in place, have a plan, have a site, have a blueprint & design. You might be seeing the start of that plan now with both the garage and the bridge over the railroad tracks. That puts in a permanent, uninterrupted, walkable connection between the north and south side of railroad tracks. This would allow a stadium to be put on the south lot.
(08-09-2019 01:38 PM)InsiderTiger Wrote: Maybe this guy can get an on-campus football stadium built
And you'll probably sh*t on him seven years from now when that inevitably doesn't happen.
Nah, it's a complicated proposition. You have to get out of liberty bowl without completely pissing off the city (or you have a president who doesn't care about that). Then
you have to have the cash on hand to build said stadium.
His background in capital projects could give him an advantage on pulling the necessary cash and plan needed together to actually do it.
Building an on-campus football stadium is going to take a decade to unwind the relationships in place, have a plan, have a site, have a blueprint & design. You might be seeing the start of that plan now with both the garage and the bridge over the railroad tracks. That puts in a permanent, uninterrupted, walkable connection between the north and south side of railroad tracks. This would allow a stadium to be put on the south lot.
I will not argue an OCS with ADEQUATE parking and egress would be great but it’s not economically or physically possible give the road infrastructure.
Someone tell me what’s wrong with the Liberty Bowl which is 3 miles from campus. If fans want to see the school Admin should encourage tailgating there by running shuttles for the 3 mile trip every 15 minutes for 8 hours. Why hasn’t that been done? REVENUE FROM TIGER LANE
On the surface, it looks like a good hire. National connnections at Power 5 conference schools. A football guy.
If Memphis is ever to move to a Power 5 conference, it will be on the strength of the football program. If basketball mattered as much, UConn would be in the ACC and not crawling off to the Big East.
(08-11-2019 11:52 AM)PATiger Wrote: On the surface, it looks like a good hire. National connnections at Power 5 conference schools. A football guy.
If Memphis is ever to move to a Power 5 conference, it will be on the strength of the football program. If basketball mattered as much, UConn would be in the ACC and not crawling off to the Big East.
Football, academic AAU status, and increased enrollment into the 35-40k+ range, with a concomitant endowment increase. We are moving in those directions. We need to find a way to accelerate our positive momentum.
(This post was last modified: 08-11-2019 12:36 PM by kabluey.)
(08-09-2019 01:38 PM)InsiderTiger Wrote: Maybe this guy can get an on-campus football stadium built
And you'll probably sh*t on him seven years from now when that inevitably doesn't happen.
Nah, it's a complicated proposition. You have to get out of liberty bowl without completely pissing off the city (or you have a president who doesn't care about that). Then
you have to have the cash on hand to build said stadium.
His background in capital projects could give him an advantage on pulling the necessary cash and plan needed together to actually do it.
Building an on-campus football stadium is going to take a decade to unwind the relationships in place, have a plan, have a site, have a blueprint & design. You might be seeing the start of that plan now with both the garage and the bridge over the railroad tracks. That puts in a permanent, uninterrupted, walkable connection between the north and south side of railroad tracks. This would allow a stadium to be put on the south lot.
I will not argue an OCS with ADEQUATE parking and egress would be great but it’s not economically or physically possible give the road infrastructure.
Someone tell me what’s wrong with the Liberty Bowl which is 3 miles from campus. If fans want to see the school Admin should encourage tailgating there by running shuttles for the 3 mile trip every 15 minutes for 8 hours. Why hasn’t that been done? REVENUE FROM TIGER LANE
The problem is someone else has a shiny new toy on campus and some are eaten up with envy that we do not have the same thing.
The reason we do not have an OCS or on campus arena is that we do not need them. We have city owned facilities which we have little liability when it comes to upkeep, operational. and construction cost.
Too many look at the revenues that can be produced and think we want all that revenue, but the do not take in account the cost of producing that revenue.
Right now the city of Memphis loses money each year from the operations of the Libertybowl, but they make it back up through taxes from the economic activity created by activities at the Libertybowl. We would not gain from tax revenues generated in the community to cover operational losses. On top of the cost of actually building the stadium.
(08-09-2019 01:38 PM)InsiderTiger Wrote: Maybe this guy can get an on-campus football stadium built
And you'll probably sh*t on him seven years from now when that inevitably doesn't happen.
Nah, it's a complicated proposition. You have to get out of liberty bowl without completely pissing off the city (or you have a president who doesn't care about that). Then
you have to have the cash on hand to build said stadium.
His background in capital projects could give him an advantage on pulling the necessary cash and plan needed together to actually do it.
Building an on-campus football stadium is going to take a decade to unwind the relationships in place, have a plan, have a site, have a blueprint & design. You might be seeing the start of that plan now with both the garage and the bridge over the railroad tracks. That puts in a permanent, uninterrupted, walkable connection between the north and south side of railroad tracks. This would allow a stadium to be put on the south lot.
I will not argue an OCS with ADEQUATE parking and egress would be great but it’s not economically or physically possible give the road infrastructure.
Someone tell me what’s wrong with the Liberty Bowl which is 3 miles from campus. If fans want to see the school Admin should encourage tailgating there by running shuttles for the 3 mile trip every 15 minutes for 8 hours. Why hasn’t that been done? REVENUE FROM TIGER LANE
The problem is someone else has a shiny new toy on campus and some are eaten up with envy that we do not have the same thing.
The reason we do not have an OCS or on campus arena is that we do not need them. We have city owned facilities which we have little liability when it comes to upkeep, operational. and construction cost.
Too many look at the revenues that can be produced and think we want all that revenue, but the do not take in account the cost of producing that revenue.
Right now the city of Memphis loses money each year from the operations of the Libertybowl, but they make it back up through taxes from the economic activity created by activities at the Libertybowl. We would not gain from tax revenues generated in the community to cover operational losses. On top of the cost of actually building the stadium.
It is a one hour and 11 minute drive from UCLA to the Rose Bowl...26 miles. So, some schools have worse situations.
(08-11-2019 11:52 AM)PATiger Wrote: On the surface, it looks like a good hire. National connnections at Power 5 conference schools. A football guy.
If Memphis is ever to move to a Power 5 conference, it will be on the strength of the football program. If basketball mattered as much, UConn would be in the ACC and not crawling off to the Big East.
Football, academic AAU status, and increased enrollment into the 35-40k+ range, with a concomitant endowment increase. We are moving in those directions. We need to find a way to accelerate our positive momentum.
This is probably the least likely of things you listed.
(08-11-2019 11:52 AM)PATiger Wrote: On the surface, it looks like a good hire. National connnections at Power 5 conference schools. A football guy.
If Memphis is ever to move to a Power 5 conference, it will be on the strength of the football program. If basketball mattered as much, UConn would be in the ACC and not crawling off to the Big East.
Football, academic AAU status, and increased enrollment into the 35-40k+ range, with a concomitant endowment increase. We are moving in those directions. We need to find a way to accelerate our positive momentum.
This is probably the least likely of things you listed.
I wouldn't set my ambitions or my goals on others' limitations imposed upon me. I trust Rudd isnt going to let others stifle his own plans, either. It better happen if the city wants to achieve its potential it better have far more college students than it currently has. I don't see Union University becoming Grand Canyon anytime soon, or Rhodes or CBU becoming Emory or Wash U. I hope it happens though. The good thing is U of M is already mimicking at least one aspect that Arizona State has done to increase its reach. Long way from becoming that caliber, but it's a step.
It would be one of my moonshots and I would move heaven and Earth to make it happen.
(This post was last modified: 08-12-2019 11:44 PM by kabluey.)
(08-11-2019 11:52 AM)PATiger Wrote: On the surface, it looks like a good hire. National connnections at Power 5 conference schools. A football guy.
If Memphis is ever to move to a Power 5 conference, it will be on the strength of the football program. If basketball mattered as much, UConn would be in the ACC and not crawling off to the Big East.
UConn basically signaled its intent to be a basketball-only school and pretty much gave up its dream of being in a P5 conference.
In the words of a infamous coach 'they will rue the day'.
(08-11-2019 11:52 AM)PATiger Wrote: On the surface, it looks like a good hire. National connnections at Power 5 conference schools. A football guy.
If Memphis is ever to move to a Power 5 conference, it will be on the strength of the football program. If basketball mattered as much, UConn would be in the ACC and not crawling off to the Big East.
Football, academic AAU status, and increased enrollment into the 35-40k+ range, with a concomitant endowment increase. We are moving in those directions. We need to find a way to accelerate our positive momentum.
This is probably the least likely of things you listed.
I wouldn't set my ambitions or my goals on others' limitations imposed upon me. I trust Rudd isnt going to let others stifle his own plans, either. It better happen if the city wants to achieve its potential it better have far more college students than it currently has. I don't see Union University becoming Grand Canyon anytime soon, or Rhodes or CBU becoming Emory or Wash U. I hope it happens though. The good thing is U of M is already mimicking at least one aspect that Arizona State has done to increase its reach. Long way from becoming that caliber, but it's a step.
It would be one of my moonshots and I would move heaven and Earth to make it happen.
When has Rudd ever said that 35-40k enrollment is one of plans?
It’s is well documented that university enrollments are expected to decline significantly in the mid 20s due to low birth rates during the Great Recession. Online growth will surely help offset this but it’s not realistic to think Memphis is going to transform into ASU or Grand Canyon in the next 5 years. There are already to many major players in that game.
(08-11-2019 11:52 AM)PATiger Wrote: On the surface, it looks like a good hire. National connnections at Power 5 conference schools. A football guy.
If Memphis is ever to move to a Power 5 conference, it will be on the strength of the football program. If basketball mattered as much, UConn would be in the ACC and not crawling off to the Big East.
Football, academic AAU status, and increased enrollment into the 35-40k+ range, with a concomitant endowment increase. We are moving in those directions. We need to find a way to accelerate our positive momentum.
This is probably the least likely of things you listed.
I wouldn't set my ambitions or my goals on others' limitations imposed upon me. I trust Rudd isnt going to let others stifle his own plans, either. It better happen if the city wants to achieve its potential it better have far more college students than it currently has. I don't see Union University becoming Grand Canyon anytime soon, or Rhodes or CBU becoming Emory or Wash U. I hope it happens though. The good thing is U of M is already mimicking at least one aspect that Arizona State has done to increase its reach. Long way from becoming that caliber, but it's a step.
It would be one of my moonshots and I would move heaven and Earth to make it happen.
When has Rudd ever said that 35-40k enrollment is one of plans?
It’s is well documented that university enrollments are expected to decline significantly in the mid 20s due to low birth rates during the Great Recession. Online growth will surely help offset this but it’s not realistic to think Memphis is going to transform into ASU or Grand Canyon in the next 5 years. There are already to many major players in that game.
I remember a meeting with Dr. Humphries many years ago and I asked him, "How can we get more out of state students interested in going to Memphis State?" To which he replied "I am really not interested in getting more students from out of state." Seems like expanding enrollment that way....was of no interest to him.
Of course, that was not exactly "Out of the Box Thinking" by Humphries. Recently, I took my grandson from here in Texas to visit the Univ of Arkansas and Oklahoma. Since he had a 3.6 GPA, both universities offered him in state tuition to go to those schools. The theory is that offering in state tuition from students from neighboring states makes a lot of sense.
1. You get bright students already educated on the neighboring states taxes
2. You get students who are the brightest and they end up as your alumni.
3. Many of those students end up living in your state and paying taxes there.
4. Many of those alums end up creating jobs in your state and become state leaders.
Basically, you are draining talent from neighboring states to your state by offering them a price cut on tuition.
(This post was last modified: 08-13-2019 11:05 PM by DallasTiger.)
(08-11-2019 12:27 PM)kabluey Wrote: Football, academic AAU status, and increased enrollment into the 35-40k+ range, with a concomitant endowment increase. We are moving in those directions. We need to find a way to accelerate our positive momentum.
This is probably the least likely of things you listed.
I wouldn't set my ambitions or my goals on others' limitations imposed upon me. I trust Rudd isnt going to let others stifle his own plans, either. It better happen if the city wants to achieve its potential it better have far more college students than it currently has. I don't see Union University becoming Grand Canyon anytime soon, or Rhodes or CBU becoming Emory or Wash U. I hope it happens though. The good thing is U of M is already mimicking at least one aspect that Arizona State has done to increase its reach. Long way from becoming that caliber, but it's a step.
It would be one of my moonshots and I would move heaven and Earth to make it happen.
When has Rudd ever said that 35-40k enrollment is one of plans?
It’s is well documented that university enrollments are expected to decline significantly in the mid 20s due to low birth rates during the Great Recession. Online growth will surely help offset this but it’s not realistic to think Memphis is going to transform into ASU or Grand Canyon in the next 5 years. There are already to many major players in that game.
I remember a meeting with Dr. Humphries many years ago and I asked him, "How can we get more out of state students interested in going to Memphis State?" To which he replied "I am really not interested in getting more students from out of state." Seems like expanding enrollment that way....was of no interest to him.
Of course, that was not exactly "Out of the Box Thinking" by Humphries. Recently, I took my grandson from here in Texas to visit the Univ of Arkansas and Oklahoma. Since he had a 3.6 GPA, both universities offered him in state tuition to go to those schools. The theory is that offering in state tuition from students from neighboring states makes a lot of sense.
1. You get bright students already educated on the neighboring states taxes
2. You get students who are the brightest and they end up as your alumni.
3. Many of those students end up living in your state and paying taxes there.
4. Many of those alums end up creating jobs in your state and become state leaders.
Basically, you are draining talent from neighboring states to your state by offering them a price cut on tuition.
Sometimes the reach is beyond neighboring states. Western Kentucky offers deals to kids in metro Atlanta so that their tuition is higher than the in-state rate, but significantly less than the normal out-of-state rate. The University of Georgia gets lots of freshmen applications, so Western Kentucky seems to targeting high-performing kids that might have to "settle" for a regional school in Georgia.
(08-12-2019 10:41 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote: This is probably the least likely of things you listed.
I wouldn't set my ambitions or my goals on others' limitations imposed upon me. I trust Rudd isnt going to let others stifle his own plans, either. It better happen if the city wants to achieve its potential it better have far more college students than it currently has. I don't see Union University becoming Grand Canyon anytime soon, or Rhodes or CBU becoming Emory or Wash U. I hope it happens though. The good thing is U of M is already mimicking at least one aspect that Arizona State has done to increase its reach. Long way from becoming that caliber, but it's a step.
It would be one of my moonshots and I would move heaven and Earth to make it happen.
When has Rudd ever said that 35-40k enrollment is one of plans?
It’s is well documented that university enrollments are expected to decline significantly in the mid 20s due to low birth rates during the Great Recession. Online growth will surely help offset this but it’s not realistic to think Memphis is going to transform into ASU or Grand Canyon in the next 5 years. There are already to many major players in that game.
I remember a meeting with Dr. Humphries many years ago and I asked him, "How can we get more out of state students interested in going to Memphis State?" To which he replied "I am really not interested in getting more students from out of state." Seems like expanding enrollment that way....was of no interest to him.
Of course, that was not exactly "Out of the Box Thinking" by Humphries. Recently, I took my grandson from here in Texas to visit the Univ of Arkansas and Oklahoma. Since he had a 3.6 GPA, both universities offered him in state tuition to go to those schools. The theory is that offering in state tuition from students from neighboring states makes a lot of sense.
1. You get bright students already educated on the neighboring states taxes
2. You get students who are the brightest and they end up as your alumni.
3. Many of those students end up living in your state and paying taxes there.
4. Many of those alums end up creating jobs in your state and become state leaders.
Basically, you are draining talent from neighboring states to your state by offering them a price cut on tuition.
Sometimes the reach is beyond neighboring states. Western Kentucky offers deals to kids in metro Atlanta so that their tuition is higher than the in-state rate, but significantly less than the normal out-of-state rate. The University of Georgia gets lots of freshmen applications, so Western Kentucky seems to targeting high-performing kids that might have to "settle" for a regional school in Georgia.
Memphis is doing this as well. If you go back and watch or scroll through BOT meeting minutes/presentations, you can see rates and targeted areas. I recall Atlanta and Houston being two targeted areas and a proposal for the R250 program to be expanded.
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