(08-08-2019 06:27 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  It's not just about money, premier SEC schools are afraid of road OOC games. LSU is the only team that travels anywhere

Auburn played at Clemson in 2011 and 2016

Georgia played at Clemson in 2013 and played at Notre Dame in 2017.

Tennessee played at OU in 2014


LSU hasn't played a road OOC game since 2015, and the last one prior to that was 2009.

(08-11-2019 08:28 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 06:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:14 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Orlando Sentinel reports

I wouldn't be too surprised to see series with Florida and/or Alabama in the not too distant future.

Would be great for the sport. It certainly would be a lot more fun to play those games than a bunch of FCS schools.

USF forced White to fold.

Not really, UF will do a 2-1 with usf because usf plays in a rented NFL stadium, they will never play at Spectrum where their fans won't make up half the crowd. White (kinda) folded because no one will schedule us in a 1-1 the last 2 years, he mentioned that in an interview. He said "I've called just about every P5 AD that makes sense to play and none have returned my calls".

I think so. I mean sure, had UCF been signing up big-name P5s with 1-1s, then White doesn't fold. But the USF/UCF scheduling philosophy conflict has attracted media attention and comparisons, and USF's ability to sign some high-profile 2-1s cast an unfavorable light on White's inability to do the same with his defiant 1-1 stance.

It was the pressure of USF's scheduling success that cast White's 1-1 failures in to stark relief, that forced the El Foldo.

(08-06-2019 02:31 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:23 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:14 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Orlando Sentinel reports

I wouldn't be too surprised to see series with Florida and/or Alabama in the not too distant future.

Would be great for the sport. It certainly would be a lot more fun to play those games than a bunch of FCS schools.

The problem is that UF doesn't want a 2-1, they want a 2-0-1, which is unacceptable. Idk about Alabama but their stance is probably the same. These teams just don't want to play at Spectrum Stadium, which is why White mentions that this series will never happen.

UCF should call South Carolina again. I would say the only reason we did a home and home was because of Spurrier, but we did just agree to a 2 for 1 with App State so I think UCF could definitely get that.

South Carolina vs UCF was actually a 2 for 1. 2005 @USC, 2013 @UCF, 2015 @USC

(08-12-2019 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 08:28 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 06:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:14 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Orlando Sentinel reports

I wouldn't be too surprised to see series with Florida and/or Alabama in the not too distant future.

Would be great for the sport. It certainly would be a lot more fun to play those games than a bunch of FCS schools.

USF forced White to fold.

Not really, UF will do a 2-1 with usf because usf plays in a rented NFL stadium, they will never play at Spectrum where their fans won't make up half the crowd. White (kinda) folded because no one will schedule us in a 1-1 the last 2 years, he mentioned that in an interview. He said "I've called just about every P5 AD that makes sense to play and none have returned my calls".

I think so. I mean sure, had UCF been signing up big-name P5s with 1-1s, then White doesn't fold. But the USF/UCF scheduling philosophy conflict has attracted media attention and comparisons, and USF's ability to sign some high-profile 2-1s cast an unfavorable light on White's inability to do the same with his defiant 1-1 stance.

It was the pressure of USF's scheduling success that cast White's 1-1 failures in to stark relief, that forced the El Foldo.

What was the El Fold that USF brought on. The one where White wanted to play a real home game compared to, what, USF playing at Ray Jay with all those empty seats. You have to do a better spin job than that.

(08-13-2019 04:11 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 08:28 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 06:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:14 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Orlando Sentinel reports

I wouldn't be too surprised to see series with Florida and/or Alabama in the not too distant future.

Would be great for the sport. It certainly would be a lot more fun to play those games than a bunch of FCS schools.

USF forced White to fold.

Not really, UF will do a 2-1 with usf because usf plays in a rented NFL stadium, they will never play at Spectrum where their fans won't make up half the crowd. White (kinda) folded because no one will schedule us in a 1-1 the last 2 years, he mentioned that in an interview. He said "I've called just about every P5 AD that makes sense to play and none have returned my calls".

I think so. I mean sure, had UCF been signing up big-name P5s with 1-1s, then White doesn't fold. But the USF/UCF scheduling philosophy conflict has attracted media attention and comparisons, and USF's ability to sign some high-profile 2-1s cast an unfavorable light on White's inability to do the same with his defiant 1-1 stance.

It was the pressure of USF's scheduling success that cast White's 1-1 failures in to stark relief, that forced the El Foldo.

What was the El Fold that USF brought on.

(08-12-2019 08:27 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:31 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:23 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:14 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Orlando Sentinel reports

I wouldn't be too surprised to see series with Florida and/or Alabama in the not too distant future.

Would be great for the sport. It certainly would be a lot more fun to play those games than a bunch of FCS schools.

The problem is that UF doesn't want a 2-1, they want a 2-0-1, which is unacceptable. Idk about Alabama but their stance is probably the same. These teams just don't want to play at Spectrum Stadium, which is why White mentions that this series will never happen.

UCF should call South Carolina again. I would say the only reason we did a home and home was because of Spurrier, but we did just agree to a 2 for 1 with App State so I think UCF could definitely get that.

South Carolina vs UCF was actually a 2 for 1. 2005 @USC, 2013 @UCF, 2015 @USC

The second two games were actually scheduled separately in 2010, but in affect it did play out like a 2-1

https://fbschedules.com/south-carolina-u...ll-series/

(08-09-2019 09:00 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 04:32 PM)TTT Wrote:  Hear me out...the SEC's premier schools (Alabama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, etc.) will never, and I repeat NEVER play an away OOC game AT a G5 school. You might can get them to do it at a neutral site if it's got some big biz behind it (like that UGA/Boise kick off game a few years ago)...but a true away OOC game at a G5 school? Won't ever happen anymore. Why? Think about it...they have nothing to gain and imagine how much $ they would lose by NOT having that home OOC game vs some cream puff in front of 80+ thousand.

That's simply not true. There's plenty of schools with stadiums of 80,000+ who have future games scheduled at G5s:

Oklahoma @ Army 2020, @ Tulane 2021, @ Temple 2025
FSU @ Boise 2021
Florida @ USF 2021
Alabama @ USF 2023
Tennessee @ BYU 2023
Nebraska @ Cincinnati 2025
Penn State @ Temple 2026
Notre Dame @ Navy almost every other year
Also, Texas & LSU both play Rice at the Houston Texans' stadium. That's not exactly a neutral site.

I stand corrected.

BUT these are very rare. The only games in this list that really stick out are Alabama & Florida at USF. Kudos to USF for getting those deals. I'm actually shocked but then again, it kinda makes sense if you're Alabama and Florida to do a 2 for 1 with USF = expanding your recruiting footprint into prime recruiting territory/NFL stadium (if it wasn't already). Also, BYU is indy...and with their incredibly huge brand value, it make all the sense in the world for any P5 team to play at BYU (be it h&h or 2 for 1). Same kinda goes for the academy schools. The others listed are obviously recruiting workshop games in larger metro areas. You'll never seen Auburn play at Southern Miss, or Georgia at ECU, or LSU at Marshall, or Texas AM at Arkansas State.

I'll revise my statement: you'll never see the SEC's premier teams play true OOC road games at G5 schools unless they are in huge metro areas (for obv recruiting strategies) or service Academy schools.

(08-13-2019 09:14 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 09:00 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 04:32 PM)TTT Wrote:  Hear me out...the SEC's premier schools (Alabama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, etc.) will never, and I repeat NEVER play an away OOC game AT a G5 school. You might can get them to do it at a neutral site if it's got some big biz behind it (like that UGA/Boise kick off game a few years ago)...but a true away OOC game at a G5 school? Won't ever happen anymore. Why? Think about it...they have nothing to gain and imagine how much $ they would lose by NOT having that home OOC game vs some cream puff in front of 80+ thousand.

That's simply not true. There's plenty of schools with stadiums of 80,000+ who have future games scheduled at G5s:

Oklahoma @ Army 2020, @ Tulane 2021, @ Temple 2025
FSU @ Boise 2021
Florida @ USF 2021
Alabama @ USF 2023
Tennessee @ BYU 2023
Nebraska @ Cincinnati 2025
Penn State @ Temple 2026
Notre Dame @ Navy almost every other year
Also, Texas & LSU both play Rice at the Houston Texans' stadium. That's not exactly a neutral site.

I stand corrected.

BUT these are very rare. The only games in this list that really stick out are Alabama & Florida at USF. Kudos to USF for getting those deals. I'm actually shocked but then again, it kinda makes sense if you're Alabama and Florida to do a 2 for 1 with USF = expanding your recruiting footprint into prime recruiting territory/NFL stadium (if it wasn't already). Also, BYU is indy...and with their incredibly huge brand value, it make all the sense in the world for any P5 team to play at BYU (be it h&h or 2 for 1). Same kinda goes for the academy schools. The others listed are obviously recruiting workshop games in larger metro areas. You'll never seen Auburn play at Southern Miss, or Georgia at ECU, or LSU at Marshall, or Texas AM at Arkansas State.

I'll revise my statement: you'll never see the SEC's premier teams play true OOC road games at G5 schools unless they are in huge metro areas (for obv recruiting strategies) or service Academy schools.

Seems like you’re moving the goalposts awfully far here. So now it has to be a “premier team” going to G5 stadium and now it has to be in a rural area too?

(08-13-2019 10:03 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:14 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 09:00 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 04:32 PM)TTT Wrote:  Hear me out...the SEC's premier schools (Alabama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, etc.) will never, and I repeat NEVER play an away OOC game AT a G5 school. You might can get them to do it at a neutral site if it's got some big biz behind it (like that UGA/Boise kick off game a few years ago)...but a true away OOC game at a G5 school? Won't ever happen anymore. Why? Think about it...they have nothing to gain and imagine how much $ they would lose by NOT having that home OOC game vs some cream puff in front of 80+ thousand.

That's simply not true. There's plenty of schools with stadiums of 80,000+ who have future games scheduled at G5s:

Oklahoma @ Army 2020, @ Tulane 2021, @ Temple 2025
FSU @ Boise 2021
Florida @ USF 2021
Alabama @ USF 2023
Tennessee @ BYU 2023
Nebraska @ Cincinnati 2025
Penn State @ Temple 2026
Notre Dame @ Navy almost every other year
Also, Texas & LSU both play Rice at the Houston Texans' stadium. That's not exactly a neutral site.

I stand corrected.

BUT these are very rare. The only games in this list that really stick out are Alabama & Florida at USF. Kudos to USF for getting those deals. I'm actually shocked but then again, it kinda makes sense if you're Alabama and Florida to do a 2 for 1 with USF = expanding your recruiting footprint into prime recruiting territory/NFL stadium (if it wasn't already). Also, BYU is indy...and with their incredibly huge brand value, it make all the sense in the world for any P5 team to play at BYU (be it h&h or 2 for 1). Same kinda goes for the academy schools. The others listed are obviously recruiting workshop games in larger metro areas. You'll never seen Auburn play at Southern Miss, or Georgia at ECU, or LSU at Marshall, or Texas AM at Arkansas State.

I'll revise my statement: you'll never see the SEC's premier teams play true OOC road games at G5 schools unless they are in huge metro areas (for obv recruiting strategies) or service Academy schools.

Seems like you’re moving the goalposts awfully far here. So now it has to be a “premier team” going to G5 stadium and now it has to be in a rural area too?

I mentioned SEC's premier teams from the get-go. Read above in the first quote.

(08-13-2019 11:17 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:03 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:14 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 09:00 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 04:32 PM)TTT Wrote:  Hear me out...the SEC's premier schools (Alabama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, etc.) will never, and I repeat NEVER play an away OOC game AT a G5 school. You might can get them to do it at a neutral site if it's got some big biz behind it (like that UGA/Boise kick off game a few years ago)...but a true away OOC game at a G5 school? Won't ever happen anymore. Why? Think about it...they have nothing to gain and imagine how much $ they would lose by NOT having that home OOC game vs some cream puff in front of 80+ thousand.

That's simply not true. There's plenty of schools with stadiums of 80,000+ who have future games scheduled at G5s:

Oklahoma @ Army 2020, @ Tulane 2021, @ Temple 2025
FSU @ Boise 2021
Florida @ USF 2021
Alabama @ USF 2023
Tennessee @ BYU 2023
Nebraska @ Cincinnati 2025
Penn State @ Temple 2026
Notre Dame @ Navy almost every other year
Also, Texas & LSU both play Rice at the Houston Texans' stadium. That's not exactly a neutral site.

I stand corrected.

BUT these are very rare. The only games in this list that really stick out are Alabama & Florida at USF. Kudos to USF for getting those deals. I'm actually shocked but then again, it kinda makes sense if you're Alabama and Florida to do a 2 for 1 with USF = expanding your recruiting footprint into prime recruiting territory/NFL stadium (if it wasn't already). Also, BYU is indy...and with their incredibly huge brand value, it make all the sense in the world for any P5 team to play at BYU (be it h&h or 2 for 1). Same kinda goes for the academy schools. The others listed are obviously recruiting workshop games in larger metro areas. You'll never seen Auburn play at Southern Miss, or Georgia at ECU, or LSU at Marshall, or Texas AM at Arkansas State.

I'll revise my statement: you'll never see the SEC's premier teams play true OOC road games at G5 schools unless they are in huge metro areas (for obv recruiting strategies) or service Academy schools.

Seems like you’re moving the goalposts awfully far here. So now it has to be a “premier team” going to G5 stadium and now it has to be in a rural area too?

I mentioned SEC's premier teams from the get-go. Read above in the first quote.

And I posted a list of every SEC teams last game at a G5 opponent. Auburn, UF, and UGA are the only schools that haven’t done so recently. UGA/UF have an annual neutral site game and UGA plays a very aggressive OOC schedule. It’s just weird to move the goalposts now that these games have to all be at rural schools as well

Alabama @ Hawaii 2003 (scheduled under unusual circumstances)
Arkansas @ Colorado State 2018
Auburn @ Memphis 1976
Georgia @ Tulane 1972
Florida @ Memphis 1989
Kentucky @ Southern Miss 2017
LSU @ Tulane 2007
Mississippi St @ La Tech 2017
Missouri @ UConn 2017
Ole Miss @ Memphis 2015
South Carolina @UCF 2013
Tennessee @ Memphis 2010
Texas A&M @ SMU 2014
Vanderbilt @ MTSU 2017

(08-13-2019 01:22 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 11:17 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:03 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:14 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 09:00 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  That's simply not true. There's plenty of schools with stadiums of 80,000+ who have future games scheduled at G5s:

Oklahoma @ Army 2020, @ Tulane 2021, @ Temple 2025
FSU @ Boise 2021
Florida @ USF 2021
Alabama @ USF 2023
Tennessee @ BYU 2023
Nebraska @ Cincinnati 2025
Penn State @ Temple 2026
Notre Dame @ Navy almost every other year
Also, Texas & LSU both play Rice at the Houston Texans' stadium. That's not exactly a neutral site.

I stand corrected.

BUT these are very rare. The only games in this list that really stick out are Alabama & Florida at USF. Kudos to USF for getting those deals. I'm actually shocked but then again, it kinda makes sense if you're Alabama and Florida to do a 2 for 1 with USF = expanding your recruiting footprint into prime recruiting territory/NFL stadium (if it wasn't already). Also, BYU is indy...and with their incredibly huge brand value, it make all the sense in the world for any P5 team to play at BYU (be it h&h or 2 for 1). Same kinda goes for the academy schools. The others listed are obviously recruiting workshop games in larger metro areas. You'll never seen Auburn play at Southern Miss, or Georgia at ECU, or LSU at Marshall, or Texas AM at Arkansas State.

I'll revise my statement: you'll never see the SEC's premier teams play true OOC road games at G5 schools unless they are in huge metro areas (for obv recruiting strategies) or service Academy schools.

Seems like you’re moving the goalposts awfully far here. So now it has to be a “premier team” going to G5 stadium and now it has to be in a rural area too?

I mentioned SEC's premier teams from the get-go. Read above in the first quote.

And I posted a list of every SEC teams last game at a G5 opponent. Auburn, UF, and UGA are the only schools that haven’t done so recently. UGA/UF have an annual neutral site game and UGA plays a very aggressive OOC schedule. It’s just weird to move the goalposts now that these games have to all be at rural schools as well

Alabama @ Hawaii 2003 (scheduled under unusual circumstances)
Arkansas @ Colorado State 2018
Auburn @ Memphis 1976
Georgia @ Tulane 1972
Florida @ Memphis 1989
Kentucky @ Southern Miss 2017
LSU @ Tulane 2007
Mississippi St @ La Tech 2017
Missouri @ UConn 2017
Ole Miss @ Memphis 2015
South Carolina @UCF 2013
Tennessee @ Memphis 2010
Texas A&M @ SMU 2014
Vanderbilt @ MTSU 2017

A&M vs SMU was scheduled before their SEC arrival as that series was already going prior to joining and I think it was 2 for 1. Not sure on Mizzou Vs UConn.

Memphis and Ole Miss have a lot of mutual history together with 62 meetings. That’s an outlier.

LSU vs Tulane was a de-facto home game that technically was a road game like Texas playing Rice at NRG Stadium.

Basically the main brands of Bama, Auburn, UGA, UF, and LSU haven’t played anyone outside the P5 on the road at all for a loooooong time with the two exceptions of the 2003 Bama Hawaii “let’s replace a bowl in a bowl ban year” game and one LSU “road” game Vs Tulane. A&M hasn’t scheduled one I know of since joining. That’s almost half the league. Some schools like South Carolina, Arkansas, and MissSt do a decent job mixing it in but several don’t.

(08-13-2019 07:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 04:11 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 08:28 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 06:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  USF forced White to fold.

Not really, UF will do a 2-1 with usf because usf plays in a rented NFL stadium, they will never play at Spectrum where their fans won't make up half the crowd. White (kinda) folded because no one will schedule us in a 1-1 the last 2 years, he mentioned that in an interview. He said "I've called just about every P5 AD that makes sense to play and none have returned my calls".

I think so. I mean sure, had UCF been signing up big-name P5s with 1-1s, then White doesn't fold. But the USF/UCF scheduling philosophy conflict has attracted media attention and comparisons, and USF's ability to sign some high-profile 2-1s cast an unfavorable light on White's inability to do the same with his defiant 1-1 stance.

It was the pressure of USF's scheduling success that cast White's 1-1 failures in to stark relief, that forced the El Foldo.

What was the El Fold that USF brought on.

Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 07:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 04:11 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 08:28 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Not really, UF will do a 2-1 with usf because usf plays in a rented NFL stadium, they will never play at Spectrum where their fans won't make up half the crowd. White (kinda) folded because no one will schedule us in a 1-1 the last 2 years, he mentioned that in an interview. He said "I've called just about every P5 AD that makes sense to play and none have returned my calls".

I think so. I mean sure, had UCF been signing up big-name P5s with 1-1s, then White doesn't fold. But the USF/UCF scheduling philosophy conflict has attracted media attention and comparisons, and USF's ability to sign some high-profile 2-1s cast an unfavorable light on White's inability to do the same with his defiant 1-1 stance.

It was the pressure of USF's scheduling success that cast White's 1-1 failures in to stark relief, that forced the El Foldo.

What was the El Fold that USF brought on.

Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

Your "failure" to recognize that White folded on his "no 2-1" strategy.

(08-15-2019 06:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 07:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 04:11 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think so. I mean sure, had UCF been signing up big-name P5s with 1-1s, then White doesn't fold. But the USF/UCF scheduling philosophy conflict has attracted media attention and comparisons, and USF's ability to sign some high-profile 2-1s cast an unfavorable light on White's inability to do the same with his defiant 1-1 stance.

It was the pressure of USF's scheduling success that cast White's 1-1 failures in to stark relief, that forced the El Foldo.

What was the El Fold that USF brought on.

Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

Your "failure" to recognize that White folded on his "no 2-1" strategy.

He said "maybe", that's not exactly folding. And UF will never play in a G5 stadium where their fans can't fill up half the stadium anyways, so this is a moot point.

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

What you call "losing a home game" is how Miami and Florida State built the reputation of their football programs -- by going on the road to places like Michigan and Nebraska, often without getting any return game and almost never a 1:1 deal, and winning a large number of those games.

(08-15-2019 04:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

What you call "losing a home game" is how Miami and Florida State built the reputation of their football programs -- by going on the road to places like Michigan and Nebraska, often without getting any return game and almost never a 1:1 deal, and winning a large number of those games.

But that was in the day when you had to fill an 11 game schedule. You could take those kinds of risks. Now a UCF has only 2 or 3 games of leeway since you have 8 conference games and have to play at least 1 additional home game against a FBS team.

(08-15-2019 05:33 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 04:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

What you call "losing a home game" is how Miami and Florida State built the reputation of their football programs -- by going on the road to places like Michigan and Nebraska, often without getting any return game and almost never a 1:1 deal, and winning a large number of those games.

But that was in the day when you had to fill an 11 game schedule. You could take those kinds of risks. Now a UCF has only 2 or 3 games of leeway since you have 8 conference games and have to play at least 1 additional home game against a FBS team.

Not really. Conference games are always balanced home and away in the AAC, so you have four OOC games. In the 1970s and 1980s, Miami and FSU faced the same financial pressures to play home games, etc. But they chose to build their program by playing 0-1 at big power schools.

UCF is unwilling, not unable, to do that. Hey, I don't begrudge them that, they are just doing what they think is best for themselves, which is what everyone does. But it is wrong to say that they are being asked to do things that others in the past were not wiling to do.

(08-15-2019 05:33 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 04:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

What you call "losing a home game" is how Miami and Florida State built the reputation of their football programs -- by going on the road to places like Michigan and Nebraska, often without getting any return game and almost never a 1:1 deal, and winning a large number of those games.

But that was in the day when you had to fill an 11 game schedule. You could take those kinds of risks. Now a UCF has only 2 or 3 games of leeway since you have 8 conference games and have to play at least 1 additional home game against a FBS team.

It's not a risk. A team that's trying to build its reputation risks nothing by playing top teams on the road. If you win, you get a ton of positive attention for winning at Alabama or Ohio State or wherever, and if you lose it doesn't hurt your rep because the big boys are expected to win at home.

Other AAC teams do it. USF's scheduling has already been discussed. Cincinnati is playing at Ohio State this year and at Notre Dame in 2021.

(Also, a team with 4 conference home games doesn't have to play another home game vs. an FBS team if they don't want to -- the rule permits each team to count one home game vs. an FCS team toward the five home game requirement.)

(08-15-2019 04:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

What you call "losing a home game" is how Miami and Florida State built the reputation of their football programs -- by going on the road to places like Michigan and Nebraska, often without getting any return game and almost never a 1:1 deal, and winning a large number of those games.

That is true, but that was a different period in college football history (1980's), in which those two schools used recruiting in Florida to their advantage. That is not the same now, as many schools do their recruiting there. In these times, also, we have seen that building a reputation is not the only reason to be able to improve the schools position, since there are so many more schools vying for that position. Rutgers comes to mind. I actually have no problem with a 1-0-1 deal, as long as UCF is able to make the money it would lose on a home game, but a 2-0-1, no.

(08-15-2019 06:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:33 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 04:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

What you call "losing a home game" is how Miami and Florida State built the reputation of their football programs -- by going on the road to places like Michigan and Nebraska, often without getting any return game and almost never a 1:1 deal, and winning a large number of those games.

But that was in the day when you had to fill an 11 game schedule. You could take those kinds of risks. Now a UCF has only 2 or 3 games of leeway since you have 8 conference games and have to play at least 1 additional home game against a FBS team.

It's not a risk. A team that's trying to build its reputation risks nothing by playing top teams on the road. If you win, you get a ton of positive attention for winning at Alabama or Ohio State or wherever, and if you lose it doesn't hurt your rep because the big boys are expected to win at home.

Other AAC teams do it. USF's scheduling has already been discussed. Cincinnati is playing at Ohio State this year and at Notre Dame in 2021.

(Also, a team with 4 conference home games doesn't have to play another home game vs. an FBS team if they don't want to -- the rule permits each team to count one home game vs. an FCS team toward the five home game requirement.)

And when will Alabama or OSU come up with even a 2-0-1. Are you saying that DW has already had that talk with these schools and said no. Which schools deserve this scheduling. Please drop the USF deal. Unless somebody posts otherwise, do they make more money for a home game than UCF. Risk? Where are they going if they even win these games. UCF has seemed to make a name for itself in what they have done so far. Things can change, but presently, seems to have things doing well.