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RE: Predict the Number of Regular Season Wins
(08-07-2019 09:45 AM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 09:06 AM)MickMack Wrote:  I'm in the 9-10 wins camp, but it really could go in any number of directions. There is unquestionable talent within this group, but a lot of unanswered questions. Who steps up at WR? Will the defensive and offensive lines perform as good or better than last year. Does Ridder experience a slump now that teams have a year of tape to break down his game? How does the kicking game look (played a big factor in many of our games last year). I expect a great season, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervously optimistic.

Blue just got his waiver approved. That can't hurt...

Anyway hoping people get over my opinion that the AAC isn’t a power conference lol. This was definitely good news for a position group that could use a boost. I don’t know much about him specifically, is he expected to be a starter?
 
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(08-07-2019 04:42 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 02:04 PM)cincy7718 Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 01:56 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Um, I don't think anyone on here thinks losing to a 5-6 loss AAC team is acceptable.

People used to complain about our scheduled back in the BE glory days too. The 2009 team's OOC schedule was SW Missouri St., Oregon St., Fresno St. Miamuh of Ahiya and Illinois.

Is that better than at O$U, UCLA, At Marshall and … Miami U... ???

What? literally everybody on here is talking those games up and talking about our tough schedule. people are hoping to split houston and memphis who both lost 5-6 games. Are you not reading the thread?

and compariing the ooc schedule in 09 while ignoring the conference schedule doesnt even deserve a response.

i agree this is a tough schedule for uc RIGHT NOW but its not a tough schedule if we have P5 aspirations.

Well... who do you suggest we schedule ?

Normally, conferences require that you be IN them to schedule games with all their teams.

Its the same with the conference we're in right now. We all kind've have this agreement to play each other, so there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do about it now.

And might I suggest a little less fiber in your diet. It might help you to not shi+ yourself on every post.

Whoa Dude. Not sure that last sentence was needed. You have a problem with opinions that don't conform to your own? Life is tough, wear a helmet.
 
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RE: Predict the Number of Regular Season Wins
(08-07-2019 07:48 PM)cincy7718 Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 09:45 AM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 09:06 AM)MickMack Wrote:  I'm in the 9-10 wins camp, but it really could go in any number of directions. There is unquestionable talent within this group, but a lot of unanswered questions. Who steps up at WR? Will the defensive and offensive lines perform as good or better than last year. Does Ridder experience a slump now that teams have a year of tape to break down his game? How does the kicking game look (played a big factor in many of our games last year). I expect a great season, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervously optimistic.

Blue just got his waiver approved. That can't hurt...

Anyway hoping people get over my opinion that the AAC isn’t a power conference lol. This was definitely good news for a position group that could use a boost. I don’t know much about him specifically, is he expected to be a starter?

Referencing Justin Williams' of The Athletic's latest article, it sounds like he'll get some snaps but probably not a starter at this point.. Medaris with Jayshon Jackson providing relief in the slot; Alec Pierce is setting up to be one starter outside; the other wide out seems to be a rotation of guys.

"Blue Smith’s eligibility officially adds another viable member to the jam band of options at the wide receiver position. Rashad Medaris has the starting slot position locked down, where Jayshon Jackson will see plenty of action as well. Sophomore Alec Pierce certainly seems to be playing his way into a starting spot on the outside, having been the most consistent performer there from spring ball all the way through Wednesday.

“The thing about Alec that he proved in the spring was consistency,” Fickell said this week. “He’s got the ability to be consistent, he’s a highly intelligent kid and you just know over time he’s going to continue to get better. He’s a worker.”

The other outside spot is trending more toward a rotation, with Trent Cloud, Malick Mbodj and Thomas Geddis all heavily in the mix at the moment, and Javan Hawes, Blue Smith and Yanez Rogers in that next tier. Garyn Prater, another Ohio State transfer, is coming back from an injury and hasn’t been fully cleared. That rotation could also feature Medaris or Jackson bumping outside and the tight end K position getting some run in the slot . (More on the likelihood of that below)"
 
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RE: Predict the Number of Regular Season Wins
I see "sophomore Alec Pierce" a lot...how the hell did we manage to burn his redshirt last year? Was it necessary to have him as a gunner on special teams for a few games and lose a full year of him as a developed WR?
 
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(08-08-2019 07:49 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I see "sophomore Alec Pierce" a lot...how the hell did we manage to burn his redshirt last year? Was it necessary to have him as a gunner on special teams for a few games and lose a full year of him as a developed WR?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla...rce-2.html

Per sports-reference, he only played in four games with one of them being the bowl game. You'd think the staff would hold him out of the bowl if it jeopardized his redshirt - and I thought 4 was the max you were allowed to play and still maintain the redshirt? Are we sure he isn't a RS Freshman?
 
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RE: Predict the Number of Regular Season Wins
(08-08-2019 08:45 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 07:49 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I see "sophomore Alec Pierce" a lot...how the hell did we manage to burn his redshirt last year? Was it necessary to have him as a gunner on special teams for a few games and lose a full year of him as a developed WR?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla...rce-2.html

Per sports-reference, he only played in four games with one of them being the bowl game. You'd think the staff would hold him out of the bowl if it jeopardized his redshirt - and I thought 4 was the max you were allowed to play and still maintain the redshirt? Are we sure he isn't a RS Freshman?

Its wrong. Alec played on special teams in nearly every game (I think he missed a game or two due to injury). He was one of our best guys on ST.

CLF has a policy that the best guys see the field, regardless of class.
 
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(08-08-2019 08:51 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 08:45 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 07:49 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I see "sophomore Alec Pierce" a lot...how the hell did we manage to burn his redshirt last year? Was it necessary to have him as a gunner on special teams for a few games and lose a full year of him as a developed WR?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla...rce-2.html

Per sports-reference, he only played in four games with one of them being the bowl game. You'd think the staff would hold him out of the bowl if it jeopardized his redshirt - and I thought 4 was the max you were allowed to play and still maintain the redshirt? Are we sure he isn't a RS Freshman?

Its wrong. Alec played on special teams in nearly every game (I think he missed a game or two due to injury). He was one of our best guys on ST.

CLF has a policy that the best guys see the field, regardless of class.

You're right I should have went directly to the GoBearcats page - they have him listed as 11 games played. I'm really not too worried about it assuming recruiting stays as strong as it has been the influx of capable receivers should be plenty high in the future.
 
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(08-07-2019 03:29 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Sorry. This is an absurd take. People really don't understand how good the Big East was during the early stretch UC was in it.

The Big East finished second to the SEC (which was ahead by a wide margin) in sagarin in 2009. https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sa...onference/

It finished 5th in 2008 (ahead of the Big 10).
It finished 4th in 2007 (ahead of the ACC and Big 10)
It finished 2nd in 2007 only behind the SEC.

Now you don't have to 100% agree with the computers, but this clearly shows the Big East was in the mix with those leagues (outside of the SEC).

Sagarin breaks it up into divisions now, but just as a contrast the AAC East and West were 11 and 12 last year behind every power division and the Mountain West Mountain Division. Overall they would be 6th once you factor the other MWC division.

In 2017 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

In 2016 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

Bottom line... the AAC is clearly behind the other power conferences. The Big East was clearly among them. I defend the AAC and think it's been a solid league for what it is, but it's ridiculous to pretend it has ever been at the level of the Big East when UC was at its peak.

If the AAC finishes second to the SEC in sagarin that would be unbelievable. The Big East did it twice in 4 seasons.

I don't disagree with your numbers Mark but you have to consider it's really not an apple to an apple comparison. The old BE had 8 teams and the conference did perform very well in OOC/bowl games as a whole. If the American was only 8 teams I would wager our conference strength would be much higher than it currently is. Another metric is teams ranked in the Final AP Poll and on that note the conferences are much closer. Just going back the last 6 seasons of the American:

2 - 2018
3 - 2017
1 - 2016
2 - 2015
1 - 2014
2 - 2013

The last 6 for the Old BE:

1 - 2012
2 - 2011
0 - 2010
3 - 2009
2 - 2008
2 - 2007

Again, I'm certainly not saying that the AAC is better than the old BE as a whole but I feel the top of our conference is pretty comparable. I also believe that Cincinnati's SOS this year is one of the best in recent times and some folks aren't giving enough credence to a few of our conference mates.
 
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RE: Predict the Number of Regular Season Wins
Not the most scientific way of comparing 2009 and 2019 schedules but looking at end of season 2009 S&P+ (preferred computer) and 2019 preseason S&P+ which factors in a 5 year historical factor, recruiting, and returning production.

From a computer standpoint, in both years we play 2 really sh!tty, sub 100 teams. The top 3 opponents in 2019 are better than top 3 in 2009, but 2009 had a far better middle 7 teams. This obviously isn't scientific and doesn't factor in home/away, etc but as the season progresses, S&P+ will be able to be used as a predictor to see how the 2009 team would fair against the 2019 schedule as a percent chance of winning each game.

I agree with posters that it would have been unacceptable for the 2009 squad to consider losing to anyone from the UCLA(63) to the Marshall (77) range. This year, we're considering those as tossups. Until we consider those games as unacceptable losses, the 2009 squad is still the best in UC history.

@ Pitt (10-3) 17
WVU (9-4) 29
@ Oregon State (8-5) 32
UCONN (8-5) 46
Fresno State (6-8) 52
@ Rutgers (9-4) 56
@ USF (7-5) 57
@ Syracuse (4-8) 71
Louisville (4-8) 81
Illinois (3-9) 85
@ Miami (1-11) 109
SE Missouri State

@ Ohio State 7
@ Memphis 26
UCF 27
UCLA 63
Temple 66
@ USF 71
@ Houston 73
@ Marshall 77
Miami 93
Tulsa 95
@ ECU 113
UCONN 129
 
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(08-08-2019 12:53 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 04:42 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 02:04 PM)cincy7718 Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 01:56 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Um, I don't think anyone on here thinks losing to a 5-6 loss AAC team is acceptable.

People used to complain about our scheduled back in the BE glory days too. The 2009 team's OOC schedule was SW Missouri St., Oregon St., Fresno St. Miamuh of Ahiya and Illinois.

Is that better than at O$U, UCLA, At Marshall and … Miami U... ???

What? literally everybody on here is talking those games up and talking about our tough schedule. people are hoping to split houston and memphis who both lost 5-6 games. Are you not reading the thread?

and compariing the ooc schedule in 09 while ignoring the conference schedule doesnt even deserve a response.

i agree this is a tough schedule for uc RIGHT NOW but its not a tough schedule if we have P5 aspirations.

Well... who do you suggest we schedule ?

Normally, conferences require that you be IN them to schedule games with all their teams.

Its the same with the conference we're in right now. We all kind've have this agreement to play each other, so there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do about it now.

And might I suggest a little less fiber in your diet. It might help you to not shi+ yourself on every post.

Whoa Dude. Not sure that last sentence was needed. You have a problem with opinions that don't conform to your own? Life is tough, wear a helmet.

No. Not at all. I thought I'd made myself clear about that being that I responded with a factual support for my position, thus fulfilling the criteria for a debate or discussion.

Maybe I just didn't make myself clear. My bad.

I just find that you must take a somewhat different approach to that guy on message boards that slams your input as "doesn't deserve a response", but says it in... a response.

So being that it was unworthy of a response yet responded to means that said response was just submitted... for show.

Now if you think about it, if it truly didn't deserve a response, then it would be unresponded to, in much the same way as I am doing to the "doesn't deserve a response" guy's response.

I just wanted to explain myself since you were obviously concerned about me enough to ask.
 
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RE: Predict the Number of Regular Season Wins
11 wins. 10 wins. 9 wins. 8 wins or less. 2009 vs. 2019. BE vs. AAC. SOS. S&P+ Sagarin. Pythagorean Theorem.

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FB 2019 predictions
versus 2018:

Trade:
UCLA away to home
AL A&M for OSU
OU @ home for Marshall away
Tulane home for UH away
Navy for Tulsa both home
SMU for Memphis both away
Miami neutral for Miami home

Same five AAC East just flip home and away. Temple and UCF at home helps, UConn and ECU the where should not matter. By the time we play @USF they should be in annual swoon.

Best 11-1 and win AAC at Nippert and NY6
Worst 7-5 and Toilet Bowl
Likely 9-3 and Toilet Bowl
 
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10 wins, 2 losses (very close loss at OSU with several controversial calls in favor of the Buckeyes).

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(08-08-2019 12:27 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 12:53 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 04:42 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 02:04 PM)cincy7718 Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 01:56 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Um, I don't think anyone on here thinks losing to a 5-6 loss AAC team is acceptable.

People used to complain about our scheduled back in the BE glory days too. The 2009 team's OOC schedule was SW Missouri St., Oregon St., Fresno St. Miamuh of Ahiya and Illinois.

Is that better than at O$U, UCLA, At Marshall and … Miami U... ???

What? literally everybody on here is talking those games up and talking about our tough schedule. people are hoping to split houston and memphis who both lost 5-6 games. Are you not reading the thread?

and compariing the ooc schedule in 09 while ignoring the conference schedule doesnt even deserve a response.

i agree this is a tough schedule for uc RIGHT NOW but its not a tough schedule if we have P5 aspirations.

Well... who do you suggest we schedule ?

Normally, conferences require that you be IN them to schedule games with all their teams.

Its the same with the conference we're in right now. We all kind've have this agreement to play each other, so there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do about it now.

And might I suggest a little less fiber in your diet. It might help you to not shi+ yourself on every post.

Whoa Dude. Not sure that last sentence was needed. You have a problem with opinions that don't conform to your own? Life is tough, wear a helmet.

No. Not at all. I thought I'd made myself clear about that being that I responded with a factual support for my position, thus fulfilling the criteria for a debate or discussion.

Maybe I just didn't make myself clear. My bad.

I just find that you must take a somewhat different approach to that guy on message boards that slams your input as "doesn't deserve a response", but says it in... a response.

So being that it was unworthy of a response yet responded to means that said response was just submitted... for show.

Now if you think about it, if it truly didn't deserve a response, then it would be unresponded to, in much the same way as I am doing to the "doesn't deserve a response" guy's response.

I just wanted to explain myself since you were obviously concerned about me enough to ask.

No I said comparing ooc schedules without considering the significant difference in conference competition didn’t deserve a response and I didn’t respond until other posters took the conferences into consideration. At that point we had a reasonable debate. You’re extremely thin skinned considering we root for the same school.
 
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BEARCATS ELEVEN AND ONE

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(08-07-2019 09:00 AM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 07:53 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Nine wins and I am ecstatic. Do not think that we are physical enough to run the table with our schedule. We have possible losses to UCLA, at Osu, at Marshall, UCF, Temple, at Houston at UsF and at Memphis. I think 8-4 is likely but I could see 7-5. I am beginning to see why Vegas only had us at six wins.

Vegas line is 7.5 -140

Looks like Vegas knows what they are talking about.
 
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8-4 before the season started, 8-4 now.... not near quick or fast enough to beat OSU, UCF, UH or UM....04-cheers
 
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14-1
 
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(09-07-2019 04:08 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  8-4 before the season started, 8-4 now.... not near quick or fast enough to beat OSU, UCF, UH or UM....04-cheers

This is where I’m at (voted 7-8 wins) with the added note that I think we are still taking the next step and building the program, despite less wins. It takes time, especially from where Tuberville has us.

I still have faith in this staff to take us there, though I want to see more from the Offensive Coordinator in the future. We can’t always rely on Michael Warren and the run game and will need to beat teams through the air. Especially as we go up against top level teams.
 
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i dont understand why so much of this thread including my post today was deleted. the debate about whether 1-off away games against elite talent are good for the program was put to rest today. pointing that out seems to have gotten multiple pages deleted
 
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