Seton Hall shows up at #19. Probably a smidge low IMO.

(10-17-2019 10:43 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the Big East had added VCU in 2011, after the Final Four appearance and before everyone started leaving, the original hybrid league would still be together, and it would have a 30-year contract with CBS and ESPN for $40 million annually ($30 million for full members, and $10 million for non-football members). Very shortsighted in hindsight.

Conversely, UConn would have fallen to Tulane levels due to the strength and power of VCU, but perhaps that is a sacrifice we all needed to make...

I agree with almost all of your posts, but this one is way off base (unless it is satire and the comment in bold was meant to be humorous).

For off, there is no way that the Big East would have stuck together just because of VCU. VCU was (and is) a pretty good program in a pretty good league. No more, no less. So you are telling me that ESPN, which had never offered the Big East a dime more than $7mm per full member school (which Pitt pushed the league to reject) would all of a sudden offer up $40 per full member school just because of VCU basketball? That is crazy talk..

Now, back to your quote: "UConn would have fallen to Tulane levels due to the strength and power of VCU"

What? UConn, Syracuse, an Louisville were performing at a higher level in basketball than anyone in thae old configuration of the Big East. An incoming VCU would have made such a seismic shift in league power?

Let's compare historical postseason and conference results between UConn and VCU to see just how asinine this assertion is.



NCAA Tournament Final Four - 2011
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight - 2011
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen - 2011
NCAA Tournament Round of 32 - 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 2007, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances - 1980, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 2004, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019


This is VCU's post-season and regular season conference resume:
Conference Tournament Champions (VCU played in CAA until joining the A10 in 2012. Both are easier leagues than the old Big East.)- 1980, 1981, 1985, 1996, 2004, 2007, 2009, 2012, 2015

Conference Regular Season Champions (the same CAA and A10 post-2012 conference affiliations apply)-
1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 2004, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2019



NCAA TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS -1999, 2004, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Final Four - 1999, 2004, 2009, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight - 1964, 1990, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen - 1951, 1956, 1964, 1976, 1990, 1991, 1994, 1995, 1996*, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Round of 32 - 1976, 1979, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996*, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2014, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances - 1951, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1976, 1979, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996*, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016
*vacated by NCAA

This is UConn's post-season and regular season conference resume:
Conference Tournament Champions (all years were in old Big East except 1976 and 2016) - 1976, 1979, 1990, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2011, 2016

Conference Regular Season Champions (all years starting with 1990 were in old Big East)- 1925, 1926, 1928, 1941, 1944, 1948, 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1970, 1976, 1990, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006

So, UConn (who accomplished what they did in the tough Big East) would have all of a sudden become Tulane having to compete against a VCU team that has done far less in the much easier A-10 and Horizon? That doesn't even begin to make sense.

If the assumption is that Shaka Smart would have stuck around if VCU had been admitted to the Big East and that VCU would continue to be a rising force if in the Big East, it can only be taken as a theory. Maybe VCU would have been as good, but maybe they would have stunk in a tougher league. But VCU would have reduced UConn to Tulane? Good one.

(10-18-2019 12:15 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 10:43 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the Big East had added VCU in 2011, after the Final Four appearance and before everyone started leaving, the original hybrid league would still be together, and it would have a 30-year contract with CBS and ESPN for $40 million annually ($30 million for full members, and $10 million for non-football members). Very shortsighted in hindsight.

Conversely, UConn would have fallen to Tulane levels due to the strength and power of VCU, but perhaps that is a sacrifice we all needed to make...

I agree with almost all of your posts, but this one is way off base (unless it is satire and the comment in bold was meant to be humorous).

For off, there is no way that the Big East would have stuck together just because of VCU. VCU was (and is) a pretty good program in a pretty good league. No more, no less. So you are telling me that ESPN, which had never offered the Big East a dime more than $7mm per full member school (which Pitt pushed the league to reject) would all of a sudden offer up $40 per full member school just because of VCU basketball? That is crazy talk..

Now, back to your quote: "UConn would have fallen to Tulane levels due to the strength and power of VCU"

What? UConn, Syracuse, an Louisville were performing at a higher level in basketball than anyone in thae old configuration of the Big East. An incoming VCU would have made such a seismic shift in league power?

Let's compare historical postseason and conference results between UConn and VCU to see just how asinine this assertion is.

VCU

NCAA Tournament Final Four - 2011
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight - 2011
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen - 2011
NCAA Tournament Round of 32 - 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 2007, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances - 1980, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 2004, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019


This is VCU's post-season and regular season conference resume:
Conference Tournament Champions (VCU played in CAA until joining the A10 in 2012. Both are easier leagues than the old Big East.)- 1980, 1981, 1985, 1996, 2004, 2007, 2009, 2012, 2015

Conference Regular Season Champions (the same CAA and A10 post-2012 conference affiliations apply)-
1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 2004, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2019

UCONN

NCAA TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS -1999, 2004, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Final Four - 1999, 2004, 2009, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight - 1964, 1990, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen - 1951, 1956, 1964, 1976, 1990, 1991, 1994, 1995, 1996*, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Round of 32 - 1976, 1979, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996*, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2014, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances - 1951, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1976, 1979, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996*, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016
*vacated by NCAA

This is UConn's post-season and regular season conference resume:
Conference Tournament Champions (all years were in old Big East except 1976 and 2016) - 1976, 1979, 1990, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2011, 2016

Conference Regular Season Champions (all years starting with 1990 were in old Big East)- 1925, 1926, 1928, 1941, 1944, 1948, 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1970, 1976, 1990, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006

So, UConn (who accomplished what they did in the tough Big East) would have all of a sudden become Tulane having to compete against a VCU team that has done far less in the much easier A-10 and Horizon? That doesn't even begin to make sense.

If the assumption is that Shaka Smart would have stuck around if VCU had been admitted to the Big East and that VCU would continue to be a rising force if in the Big East, it can only be taken as a theory. Maybe VCU would have been as good, but maybe they would have stunk in a tougher league. But VCU would have reduced UConn to Tulane? Good one.

(10-18-2019 12:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 12:15 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 10:43 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the Big East had added VCU in 2011, after the Final Four appearance and before everyone started leaving, the original hybrid league would still be together, and it would have a 30-year contract with CBS and ESPN for $40 million annually ($30 million for full members, and $10 million for non-football members). Very shortsighted in hindsight.

Conversely, UConn would have fallen to Tulane levels due to the strength and power of VCU, but perhaps that is a sacrifice we all needed to make...

I agree with almost all of your posts, but this one is way off base (unless it is satire and the comment in bold was meant to be humorous).

For off, there is no way that the Big East would have stuck together just because of VCU. VCU was (and is) a pretty good program in a pretty good league. No more, no less. So you are telling me that ESPN, which had never offered the Big East a dime more than $7mm per full member school (which Pitt pushed the league to reject) would all of a sudden offer up $40 per full member school just because of VCU basketball? That is crazy talk..

Now, back to your quote: "UConn would have fallen to Tulane levels due to the strength and power of VCU"

What? UConn, Syracuse, an Louisville were performing at a higher level in basketball than anyone in thae old configuration of the Big East. An incoming VCU would have made such a seismic shift in league power?

Let's compare historical postseason and conference results between UConn and VCU to see just how asinine this assertion is.

VCU

NCAA Tournament Final Four - 2011
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight - 2011
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen - 2011
NCAA Tournament Round of 32 - 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 2007, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances - 1980, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 2004, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019


This is VCU's post-season and regular season conference resume:
Conference Tournament Champions (VCU played in CAA until joining the A10 in 2012. Both are easier leagues than the old Big East.)- 1980, 1981, 1985, 1996, 2004, 2007, 2009, 2012, 2015

Conference Regular Season Champions (the same CAA and A10 post-2012 conference affiliations apply)-
1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 2004, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2019

UCONN

NCAA TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS -1999, 2004, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Final Four - 1999, 2004, 2009, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight - 1964, 1990, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen - 1951, 1956, 1964, 1976, 1990, 1991, 1994, 1995, 1996*, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Round of 32 - 1976, 1979, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996*, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2014, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances - 1951, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1976, 1979, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996*, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016
*vacated by NCAA

This is UConn's post-season and regular season conference resume:
Conference Tournament Champions (all years were in old Big East except 1976 and 2016) - 1976, 1979, 1990, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2011, 2016

Conference Regular Season Champions (all years starting with 1990 were in old Big East)- 1925, 1926, 1928, 1941, 1944, 1948, 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1970, 1976, 1990, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006

So, UConn (who accomplished what they did in the tough Big East) would have all of a sudden become Tulane having to compete against a VCU team that has done far less in the much easier A-10 and Horizon? That doesn't even begin to make sense.

If the assumption is that Shaka Smart would have stuck around if VCU had been admitted to the Big East and that VCU would continue to be a rising force if in the Big East, it can only be taken as a theory. Maybe VCU would have been as good, but maybe they would have stunk in a tougher league. But VCU would have reduced UConn to Tulane? Good one.

Yep, I missed that it was a joke. My bad.

(10-18-2019 12:24 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 12:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 12:15 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(10-17-2019 10:43 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the Big East had added VCU in 2011, after the Final Four appearance and before everyone started leaving, the original hybrid league would still be together, and it would have a 30-year contract with CBS and ESPN for $40 million annually ($30 million for full members, and $10 million for non-football members). Very shortsighted in hindsight.

Conversely, UConn would have fallen to Tulane levels due to the strength and power of VCU, but perhaps that is a sacrifice we all needed to make...

I agree with almost all of your posts, but this one is way off base (unless it is satire and the comment in bold was meant to be humorous).

For off, there is no way that the Big East would have stuck together just because of VCU. VCU was (and is) a pretty good program in a pretty good league. No more, no less. So you are telling me that ESPN, which had never offered the Big East a dime more than $7mm per full member school (which Pitt pushed the league to reject) would all of a sudden offer up $40 per full member school just because of VCU basketball? That is crazy talk..

Now, back to your quote: "UConn would have fallen to Tulane levels due to the strength and power of VCU"

What? UConn, Syracuse, an Louisville were performing at a higher level in basketball than anyone in thae old configuration of the Big East. An incoming VCU would have made such a seismic shift in league power?

Let's compare historical postseason and conference results between UConn and VCU to see just how asinine this assertion is.

VCU

NCAA Tournament Final Four - 2011
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight - 2011
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen - 2011
NCAA Tournament Round of 32 - 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 2007, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances - 1980, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 2004, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019


This is VCU's post-season and regular season conference resume:
Conference Tournament Champions (VCU played in CAA until joining the A10 in 2012. Both are easier leagues than the old Big East.)- 1980, 1981, 1985, 1996, 2004, 2007, 2009, 2012, 2015

Conference Regular Season Champions (the same CAA and A10 post-2012 conference affiliations apply)-
1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 2004, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2016, 2019

UCONN

NCAA TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS -1999, 2004, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Final Four - 1999, 2004, 2009, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight - 1964, 1990, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen - 1951, 1956, 1964, 1976, 1990, 1991, 1994, 1995, 1996*, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2014
NCAA Tournament Round of 32 - 1976, 1979, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996*, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2014, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances - 1951, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1976, 1979, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996*, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016
*vacated by NCAA

This is UConn's post-season and regular season conference resume:
Conference Tournament Champions (all years were in old Big East except 1976 and 2016) - 1976, 1979, 1990, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2011, 2016

Conference Regular Season Champions (all years starting with 1990 were in old Big East)- 1925, 1926, 1928, 1941, 1944, 1948, 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1970, 1976, 1990, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006

So, UConn (who accomplished what they did in the tough Big East) would have all of a sudden become Tulane having to compete against a VCU team that has done far less in the much easier A-10 and Horizon? That doesn't even begin to make sense.

If the assumption is that Shaka Smart would have stuck around if VCU had been admitted to the Big East and that VCU would continue to be a rising force if in the Big East, it can only be taken as a theory. Maybe VCU would have been as good, but maybe they would have stunk in a tougher league. But VCU would have reduced UConn to Tulane? Good one.

Yep, I missed that it was a joke. My bad.

So many hostiles in these CSNBBS parts. You are forgiven.

If one spews enough crazy talk, inevitably someone will end up believing it.

Isn't that how UCF got a national championship banner???

Getting back to the countdown, LSU shows up at #18.... Got 17 tomorrow and then we get into the sweet 16 seeds...

Memphis shows up at #15 and AAC champ.....

(09-19-2019 07:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Houston shows up a bit surprisingly at #48.

Do think they jump up considerably if Quentin Grimes gets one of those dumb as heck transfer waivers.

Well, Grimes did get one of those dumb as heck transfer waivers.

Remind me again why the NCAA allowed these to happen again??

(10-22-2019 01:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-19-2019 07:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Houston shows up a bit surprisingly at #48.

Do think they jump up considerably if Quentin Grimes gets one of those dumb as heck transfer waivers.

Well, Grimes did get one of those dumb as heck transfer waivers.

Remind me again why the NCAA allowed these to happen again??

Grimes nearly went to Marquette two seasons ago. Will be rooting for him.

(10-22-2019 02:22 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(10-22-2019 01:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-19-2019 07:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Houston shows up a bit surprisingly at #48.

Do think they jump up considerably if Quentin Grimes gets one of those dumb as heck transfer waivers.

Well, Grimes did get one of those dumb as heck transfer waivers.

Remind me again why the NCAA allowed these to happen again??

Grimes nearly went to Marquette two seasons ago. Will be rooting for him.

Houston might be a top 25 team now with him.... It's great for the AAC. Wtih Houston, Memphis, and Cincy got 3 probably shoe ins for the tourney. And 3-4 others that have a real shot at making it if they can do well OOC.

If either of the Hausers get immediate eligibility at Michigan State and/or Virginia, THEN that would reek of hypocrisy absolutely.

Arizona in as #13 and the top 4 seed....

(10-24-2019 09:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Arizona in as #13 and the top 4 seed....

Guessing Nova comes in at 12 or 11.

(10-24-2019 10:46 AM)novachap Wrote:  

(10-24-2019 09:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Arizona in as #13 and the top 4 seed....

Guessing Nova comes in at 12 or 11.

not 12, Ohio St was 12.

Not 11 either... Maryland. Hmmm. These guys clearly aren't as nervous as I am about the young team that Nova is!

or #10. Florida...

ACC 4, everyone else 5. Barf.

(10-27-2019 10:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  or #10. Florida...

ACC 4, everyone else 5. Barf.

And still no Nova... Gonzaga #9. Really surprised they will end up a 2 seed. Hope to be proven too nervous as they mature.

(10-28-2019 09:27 AM)novachap Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 10:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  or #10. Florida...

ACC 4, everyone else 5. Barf.

And still no Nova... Gonzaga #9. Really surprised they will end up a 2 seed. Hope to be proven too nervous as they mature.

thinking this was done prior to the news about Antoine????

(10-28-2019 12:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 09:27 AM)novachap Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 10:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  or #10. Florida...

ACC 4, everyone else 5. Barf.

And still no Nova... Gonzaga #9. Really surprised they will end up a 2 seed. Hope to be proven too nervous as they mature.

thinking this was done prior to the news about Antoine????

Maybe... Good news is all indications (after the BE media day fake news ) are he will start practice this month and play at some point in December... He will be huge---need that shot creator for the end of the clock and another sniper.