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(08-06-2019 04:47 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 03:46 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  PFW averaged 1,369 a game last year. How many of those would realistically attend the conference tournament? 200?

That's 200 more than were in Sioux Falls! (I don't know that - apologies to Mastodon fans who go to the Summit tourney.)

It's only 2 hours down I-69 from Fr. Wayne to Indy. They might get a good group to head down there - good excuse for a little mini-vacation in Indy.
I had a friend from Indiana who called Indy "the oasis in the desert".

I notice that the Horizon League has a link to their tournament on the header of the main web page. They are pushing it pretty hard.
It's either the tourney or maybe the HL has a 12th member waiting in the wings ??

The Horizon League "tournament" is only the semifinals and finals, the rest is on-campus games. I doubt that you're making realignment decisions based on a few hundred tickets--I don't think Mastodon Nation is going to make the trip to watch four other teams play.

(Northern Kentucky was mad about the tournament contract process, because they were told "no home arena bids", they worked with US Bank Arena in Cincinnati, but somehow the contract went to Farmer's Arena, IUPUI's home court.)
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(08-06-2019 01:31 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Why is Robert Morris often discussed as a Horizon Candidate?

New arena, new market, fits footprint, good consistent program that’s beaten Kentucky.


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Opens up a spot for Augustana
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(08-05-2019 05:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  for as dead as realignment has been, it's been a pretty active summer quite frankly.

The AAC could make the rest of D1 very interesting should it decide to backfill UConn in any way, making for some fun for next couple of years until the real fireworks show in about 5-6 years.

Meanwhile, still waiting on Patriot to grab a football member.
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(08-06-2019 03:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 10:50 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  11 is the new 10...

The irony is that while Men's and Women's Basketball goes to 11, most sports now move to even numbers. Making scheduling easier for most sports.

Women's Volleyball = 10 (UDM doesn't sponsor)
Softball = 10 (UWM doesn't sponsor)
Men's Soccer = 10 (YSU doesn't sponsor)
Women's Soccer = 10 (UIC doesn't sponsor)
Men's Tennis = 8 (PUFW, UWM, Oakland don't sponsor)
Women's Tennis = 10 (PUFW doesn't sponsor)

Baseball = 7 (oops!)

Men's and Women's Basketball go to 11, which is not that bad, as schools likely will get a much needed 10th conference home game. This is one league where 11 actually works better due to so many team scheduled sports having a school not sponsor.


I think that Wayne State might still be in talks.

baseball makes it 8.
Men's tennis makes 11.

women's tennis, softball and vplleyball are there as well.
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(08-07-2019 05:13 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 03:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 10:50 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  11 is the new 10...

The irony is that while Men's and Women's Basketball goes to 11, most sports now move to even numbers. Making scheduling easier for most sports.

Women's Volleyball = 10 (UDM doesn't sponsor)
Softball = 10 (UWM doesn't sponsor)
Men's Soccer = 10 (YSU doesn't sponsor)
Women's Soccer = 10 (UIC doesn't sponsor)
Men's Tennis = 8 (PUFW, UWM, Oakland don't sponsor)
Women's Tennis = 10 (PUFW doesn't sponsor)

Baseball = 7 (oops!)

Men's and Women's Basketball go to 11, which is not that bad, as schools likely will get a much needed 10th conference home game. This is one league where 11 actually works better due to so many team scheduled sports having a school not sponsor.


I think that Wayne State might still be in talks.

baseball makes it 8.
Men's tennis makes 11.

women's tennis, softball and vplleyball are there as well.

Nah, they’re almost certainly targeting Robert Morris. Bellarmine/USI backfill if someone leaves.
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(08-07-2019 05:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 05:13 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 03:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 10:50 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  11 is the new 10...

The irony is that while Men's and Women's Basketball goes to 11, most sports now move to even numbers. Making scheduling easier for most sports.

Women's Volleyball = 10 (UDM doesn't sponsor)
Softball = 10 (UWM doesn't sponsor)
Men's Soccer = 10 (YSU doesn't sponsor)
Women's Soccer = 10 (UIC doesn't sponsor)
Men's Tennis = 8 (PUFW, UWM, Oakland don't sponsor)
Women's Tennis = 10 (PUFW doesn't sponsor)

Baseball = 7 (oops!)

Men's and Women's Basketball go to 11, which is not that bad, as schools likely will get a much needed 10th conference home game. This is one league where 11 actually works better due to so many team scheduled sports having a school not sponsor.


I think that Wayne State might still be in talks.

baseball makes it 8.
Men's tennis makes 11.

women's tennis, softball and vplleyball are there as well.

Nah, they’re almost certainly targeting Robert Morris. Bellarmine/USI backfill if someone leaves.


If Summit starts sponsoring football, Wayne State could play football in the MVFC. That is what the schools in Michigan wants before moving up. They do not want to travel to the Dakotas.
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(08-07-2019 08:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 05:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 05:13 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 03:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 10:50 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  11 is the new 10...

The irony is that while Men's and Women's Basketball goes to 11, most sports now move to even numbers. Making scheduling easier for most sports.

Women's Volleyball = 10 (UDM doesn't sponsor)
Softball = 10 (UWM doesn't sponsor)
Men's Soccer = 10 (YSU doesn't sponsor)
Women's Soccer = 10 (UIC doesn't sponsor)
Men's Tennis = 8 (PUFW, UWM, Oakland don't sponsor)
Women's Tennis = 10 (PUFW doesn't sponsor)

Baseball = 7 (oops!)

Men's and Women's Basketball go to 11, which is not that bad, as schools likely will get a much needed 10th conference home game. This is one league where 11 actually works better due to so many team scheduled sports having a school not sponsor.


I think that Wayne State might still be in talks.

baseball makes it 8.
Men's tennis makes 11.

women's tennis, softball and vplleyball are there as well.

Nah, they’re almost certainly targeting Robert Morris. Bellarmine/USI backfill if someone leaves.


If Summit starts sponsoring football, Wayne State could play football in the MVFC. That is what the schools in Michigan wants before moving up. They do not want to travel to the Dakotas.

Do yourself a favor and just STOP. A Wayne State alum has already told you the school has no desire for D1. You've never been there so it's safe to say he will know more.
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Purdue Fort Wayne to Horizon
Happy for PFW
As a MAC fan and a Fort Wayne transplant I got no real connection to the team but like to see them with some regional rivals that can help love the needle in the market.


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(08-06-2019 05:05 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m going bout on a limb here and say that within 5 years Bellarmine will be the Horizon’s 12th member.

The Summit has to figure out what their priorities are
Oh, they know what they are.
1. Keep the Sanfords happy
2. ???

It's why I expect Augie to get the go-ahead to move up within a year or so.
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(08-08-2019 02:06 PM)Mav Wrote:  It's why I expect Augie to get the go-ahead to move up within a year or so.

Is Summit or WAC extending the invite?
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(08-08-2019 02:48 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 02:06 PM)Mav Wrote:  It's why I expect Augie to get the go-ahead to move up within a year or so.

Is Summit or WAC extending the invite?

If not the Summit, the WAC certainly would.
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(08-05-2019 05:05 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  David called it in 2012

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(08-08-2019 02:06 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 05:05 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m going bout on a limb here and say that within 5 years Bellarmine will be the Horizon’s 12th member.

The Summit has to figure out what their priorities are
Oh, they know what they are.
1. Keep the Sanfords happy
2. ???

It's why I expect Augie to get the go-ahead to move up within a year or so.

What about Utah Valley? They would add a much needed body in baseball and give Denver somewhat of a neighbor.
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(08-10-2019 02:46 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 02:06 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 05:05 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m going bout on a limb here and say that within 5 years Bellarmine will be the Horizon’s 12th member.

The Summit has to figure out what their priorities are
Oh, they know what they are.
1. Keep the Sanfords happy
2. ???

It's why I expect Augie to get the go-ahead to move up within a year or so.

What about Utah Valley? They would add a much needed body in baseball and give Denver somewhat of a neighbor.
Very far out of the footprint. UNoCo has a history with other Summit members from their shared time in the NCC, but I doubt Denver would want anything to do with them, and they seem to be happy in the Big Sky. Apart from that there are precious few options.
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Utah Valley's overall graduation rate of 42% is why Denver is not very excited about Utah Valley. Same reason DU is not very excited about Northern Colorado - a 46% graduation rate.

In DU's point of view, schools should graduate at at least half the kids who enroll within six years, as most Summit League schools do. Only Omaha and Oral Roberts have yet to meet that 50% rate.
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NoCo is not leaving the Big Sky. They don't have many students or athletes from the Summit zone (not counting Colorado which is their home state). But they do have a number of athletes from the Pacific Coast, especially California.

But Baseball and Women's Swimming are affiliates in the WAC. Sac State of the Big Sky also has Baseball in the WAC, while Idaho and Southern Utah also have Women's Swimming in the WAC.

Here is the Baseball team home state breakdown:

9 Colorado, 9 Washington (1 went to a Sacramento JuCo), 2 Nevada, 1 each Arizona, Utah, Oregon, Wyoming, Louisiana (!)

That doesn't fit the Summit, but it does fit the Big Sky and WAC.

Basketball: 7 CO, 1 CA, 1 NV, 1 TX, 3 Int'l, ... 1 SD
Football: 53 CO, 14 TX, 9 CA, 5 FL, 3 OK, 2 GA, 2 NC, 1 each (WA, OR, UT, WY, NE, KS, IL, TN)

None of that fits the Summit. It's locals, Texas and California and West, with a good Southern contingent in Football.

There is no reason for NoCo to go Summit. And certainly not over the Big Sky. Baseball show the WAC a better fit based on roster, with the Seattle series probably the most important from a recruiting standpoint.

The Summit should think instead about Augustana and/or starting Football to get out of their baseball problem (SIU-E would also help)
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(08-10-2019 06:50 PM)puck swami Wrote:  Utah Valley's overall graduation rate of 42% is why Denver is not very excited about Utah Valley. Same reason DU is not very excited about Northern Colorado - a 46% graduation rate.

In DU's point of view, schools should graduate at at least half the kids who enroll within six years, as most Summit League schools do. Only Omaha and Oral Roberts have yet to meet that 50% rate.

You seemed to have forgotten Purdue Fort Wayne, with their 30% graduation rate. If UVU is playing in the same conference with Denver, it will be in the WAC. They play each other in non-conference games in men's basketball and men's soccer, so I don't see why being in the same conference would be a problem.
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(08-10-2019 09:28 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 06:50 PM)puck swami Wrote:  Utah Valley's overall graduation rate of 42% is why Denver is not very excited about Utah Valley. Same reason DU is not very excited about Northern Colorado - a 46% graduation rate.

In DU's point of view, schools should graduate at at least half the kids who enroll within six years, as most Summit League schools do. Only Omaha and Oral Roberts have yet to meet that 50% rate.

You seemed to have forgotten Purdue Fort Wayne, with their 30% graduation rate. If UVU is playing in the same conference with Denver, it will be in the WAC. They play each other in non-conference games in men's basketball and men's soccer, so I don't see why being in the same conference would be a problem.

I didn't really forget Fort Wayne. The Mastodons are leaving the Summit for the Horizon, so for that reason, I did include them in my 'underperforming graduation rate' Summit teams list.

You have a good point about Utah Valley being on some of Denver's non-league schedules. It's getting harder and harder to find non-league opponents willing to come to Denver at all.
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(08-07-2019 05:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 05:13 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 03:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 10:50 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  11 is the new 10...

The irony is that while Men's and Women's Basketball goes to 11, most sports now move to even numbers. Making scheduling easier for most sports.

Women's Volleyball = 10 (UDM doesn't sponsor)
Softball = 10 (UWM doesn't sponsor)
Men's Soccer = 10 (YSU doesn't sponsor)
Women's Soccer = 10 (UIC doesn't sponsor)
Men's Tennis = 8 (PUFW, UWM, Oakland don't sponsor)
Women's Tennis = 10 (PUFW doesn't sponsor)

Baseball = 7 (oops!)

Men's and Women's Basketball go to 11, which is not that bad, as schools likely will get a much needed 10th conference home game. This is one league where 11 actually works better due to so many team scheduled sports having a school not sponsor.


I think that Wayne State might still be in talks.

baseball makes it 8.
Men's tennis makes 11.

women's tennis, softball and vplleyball are there as well.

Nah, they’re almost certainly targeting Robert Morris. Bellarmine/USI backfill if someone leaves.


I thought so too and won't have a problem if they do revisit those schools but I'm actually okay at 11 with the addition of Fort Wayne. 12 teams would force the League to go to divisions thus further messing up budding rivalries as some teams will only play once a year.

Also FYI, UIC does have women's soccer.
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