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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
(08-08-2019 09:59 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Wait...Fickell turned down WVU?

Some might say he's... ah, never mind.
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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
(08-09-2019 11:31 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 09:30 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 08:19 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
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(08-08-2019 02:52 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't. At least, I don't with this current group of ten. I think Kansas is as good as gone after the GoR.

Not arguing the point but just curious as to why you think so....and where Kansas is going.

A couple of things have come out from there and about them since the Big XII lost UCB and UNL, most notably one of their administrators "setting it straight" that they aren't politically or administratively required to move tethered to Kansas State (different to Oklahoma and OSU, and maybe Texas to Tech), KU factoring into PAC-16 plans, the Big Ten "study" that included them, Oklahoma, and Vanderbilt, and that "back up" plan with them and Iowa State talking to the Big Ten.

They've covered their bases, they've been busy, and it seems like they could stomach a future apart from current and long-time peers. I don't know if they're to the point of Colorado, who pretty much "nope'd" the heck out of the conference when it came time, because Kansas DOES value some of their old Big 8 friends. But, I do think they know the value of stability, and are self-aware of their own value; being reactive to Texas and OU-OSU isn't as great an option now to nearly ten years ago.

It sounds like the Big Ten wants them, but I think the PAC is just as likely to get them.

Do you think they stick it out another round with the conference and put up with both Texas and Oklahoma flirting with disaster for the sake of their self-interest at others' expenses?

Kansas and Iowa State as a package adds almost zero financial value to the B1G, and they haven't been in the habit of making additions that reduce their per school payout substantially. Also, that combo further weakens them on the field relative to the rest of the P5, which would be difficult to stomach after adding Maryland and Rutgers.

Kansas and OU puts the Sooners in the position of giving up either Bedlam or the RRR, which I don't think they would do. Kansas and Texas leaves the Horns with very few games in their home state, which is vital to them.

The only path to a B12 exit for Kansas, IMO, would be if they went to the SEC with Texas.

That KU was prepared to discuss a contingency plan is the bigger gesture here. And that they did it without some of their other conference mates. Iowa State isn't getting play in the Big Ten, but going to the Big Ten is a bit of a tell.

There is a price to long-term stability. TAMU walked out on Texas. Missouri on the Border War. Colorado and Nebraska from each other and the Big 8. And, who knows if Nebraska will return to its former glory in football. Kansas could leave for anywhere and still keep Kansas State on the schedule. That will be enough, I suspect.

No doubt Kansas was speaking directly to the B1G. That's their dream conference, and it should be. Their problem, though, is they can't get invited anywhere without a major football brand to go with them. I can't see any such school that would leave where they are with only them as a partner. Kansas can't control its own destiny, which really sucks for them.
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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
(08-08-2019 07:35 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  
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(08-06-2019 11:16 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  
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(08-05-2019 08:32 PM)Bull Wrote:  WV would want Cinci ahead of those 3

Actually, WVa recruits Ohio heavily and dosn't want to elevate UC. WVa also recruits Florida but needs to get yearly exposure in Florida. So having UCF and South Florida makes sense for them.

I still don't believe it's true but, the season hasn't started yet and I was bored.

"TheDude" also has an agenda against UC because they can't out recruit UC in Ohio. He purposely will play up any school for expansion outside of Cincinnati.

He is a complete homer idiot and eventually had to unfollow him when the trolling lost its fun.

It goes a little deeper than that. Early on Lambert would often mention UC as one of the top candidates for an expanded Big XII. Some of our fans gave him a hard time because they doubted his posts/claimed sources. He grew resentful due to what he saw as attacks, then started trashing UC every chance he got.

I am sure that is part of it as well. You also have UC's Fickell turning down the WVU job last offseason plus the fact that UC is currently a better program than WVU. It has built into a weird complex for the little man.

Dude... put down the crackpipe.

WVU never offered Fickell the job.
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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
(08-09-2019 09:30 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 08:19 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 09:02 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 02:52 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-07-2019 06:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I do think its possible that the Big12 schools are prepared to extend their GOR for the right ESPN contract extension.

I don't. At least, I don't with this current group of ten. I think Kansas is as good as gone after the GoR.

Not arguing the point but just curious as to why you think so....and where Kansas is going.

A couple of things have come out from there and about them since the Big XII lost UCB and UNL, most notably one of their administrators "setting it straight" that they aren't politically or administratively required to move tethered to Kansas State (different to Oklahoma and OSU, and maybe Texas to Tech), KU factoring into PAC-16 plans, the Big Ten "study" that included them, Oklahoma, and Vanderbilt, and that "back up" plan with them and Iowa State talking to the Big Ten.

They've covered their bases, they've been busy, and it seems like they could stomach a future apart from current and long-time peers. I don't know if they're to the point of Colorado, who pretty much "nope'd" the heck out of the conference when it came time, because Kansas DOES value some of their old Big 8 friends. But, I do think they know the value of stability, and are self-aware of their own value; being reactive to Texas and OU-OSU isn't as great an option now to nearly ten years ago.

It sounds like the Big Ten wants them, but I think the PAC is just as likely to get them.

Do you think they stick it out another round with the conference and put up with both Texas and Oklahoma flirting with disaster for the sake of their self-interest at others' expenses?

Kansas and Iowa State as a package adds almost zero financial value to the B1G, and they haven't been in the habit of making additions that reduce their per school payout substantially. Also, that combo further weakens them on the field relative to the rest of the P5, which would be difficult to stomach after adding Maryland and Rutgers.

Kansas and OU puts the Sooners in the position of giving up either Bedlam or the RRR, which I don't think they would do. Kansas and Texas leaves the Horns with very few games in their home state, which is vital to them.

The only path to a B12 exit for Kansas, IMO, would be if they went to the SEC with Texas.
Maybe not!! Could the Big Ten stomach Texas, Texas Tech, and Kansas??
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(08-05-2019 09:04 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The Dude of WV.

Who’s next? Tuxedo Yoda?

LOL, he's about the only one missing now. Next time the Dude or Flugaur is right about expansion will be the first time.
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The true fun part of this thread is that, you're all still posting. 04-rock
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(08-09-2019 07:19 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 09:30 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 08:19 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 09:02 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 02:52 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't. At least, I don't with this current group of ten. I think Kansas is as good as gone after the GoR.

Not arguing the point but just curious as to why you think so....and where Kansas is going.

A couple of things have come out from there and about them since the Big XII lost UCB and UNL, most notably one of their administrators "setting it straight" that they aren't politically or administratively required to move tethered to Kansas State (different to Oklahoma and OSU, and maybe Texas to Tech), KU factoring into PAC-16 plans, the Big Ten "study" that included them, Oklahoma, and Vanderbilt, and that "back up" plan with them and Iowa State talking to the Big Ten.

They've covered their bases, they've been busy, and it seems like they could stomach a future apart from current and long-time peers. I don't know if they're to the point of Colorado, who pretty much "nope'd" the heck out of the conference when it came time, because Kansas DOES value some of their old Big 8 friends. But, I do think they know the value of stability, and are self-aware of their own value; being reactive to Texas and OU-OSU isn't as great an option now to nearly ten years ago.

It sounds like the Big Ten wants them, but I think the PAC is just as likely to get them.

Do you think they stick it out another round with the conference and put up with both Texas and Oklahoma flirting with disaster for the sake of their self-interest at others' expenses?

Kansas and Iowa State as a package adds almost zero financial value to the B1G, and they haven't been in the habit of making additions that reduce their per school payout substantially. Also, that combo further weakens them on the field relative to the rest of the P5, which would be difficult to stomach after adding Maryland and Rutgers.

Kansas and OU puts the Sooners in the position of giving up either Bedlam or the RRR, which I don't think they would do. Kansas and Texas leaves the Horns with very few games in their home state, which is vital to them.

The only path to a B12 exit for Kansas, IMO, would be if they went to the SEC with Texas.
Maybe not!! Could the Big Ten stomach Texas, Texas Tech, and Kansas??
I can not see the B10 ever accepting Texas Tech. WVU would be before Texas Tech, and we know that will never happen.
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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
(08-09-2019 07:19 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 09:30 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 08:19 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 09:02 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 02:52 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I don't. At least, I don't with this current group of ten. I think Kansas is as good as gone after the GoR.

Not arguing the point but just curious as to why you think so....and where Kansas is going.

A couple of things have come out from there and about them since the Big XII lost UCB and UNL, most notably one of their administrators "setting it straight" that they aren't politically or administratively required to move tethered to Kansas State (different to Oklahoma and OSU, and maybe Texas to Tech), KU factoring into PAC-16 plans, the Big Ten "study" that included them, Oklahoma, and Vanderbilt, and that "back up" plan with them and Iowa State talking to the Big Ten.

They've covered their bases, they've been busy, and it seems like they could stomach a future apart from current and long-time peers. I don't know if they're to the point of Colorado, who pretty much "nope'd" the heck out of the conference when it came time, because Kansas DOES value some of their old Big 8 friends. But, I do think they know the value of stability, and are self-aware of their own value; being reactive to Texas and OU-OSU isn't as great an option now to nearly ten years ago.

It sounds like the Big Ten wants them, but I think the PAC is just as likely to get them.

Do you think they stick it out another round with the conference and put up with both Texas and Oklahoma flirting with disaster for the sake of their self-interest at others' expenses?

Kansas and Iowa State as a package adds almost zero financial value to the B1G, and they haven't been in the habit of making additions that reduce their per school payout substantially. Also, that combo further weakens them on the field relative to the rest of the P5, which would be difficult to stomach after adding Maryland and Rutgers.

Kansas and OU puts the Sooners in the position of giving up either Bedlam or the RRR, which I don't think they would do. Kansas and Texas leaves the Horns with very few games in their home state, which is vital to them.

The only path to a B12 exit for Kansas, IMO, would be if they went to the SEC with Texas.
Maybe not!! Could the Big Ten stomach Texas, Texas Tech, and Kansas??

I could see KU getting an invite to the PAC in some scenario’s.
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Which one of y’all questioned Chris causing him to make his tweets private? Must have done that to avoid The ACC Network backlash he knows was coming his way... lol
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(08-12-2019 12:28 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  I could see KU getting an invite to the PAC in some scenario’s.

I think it's a coin toss between them and the B1G, really. There's just more stuff out there about them and the Big Ten that makes it look a bit more likely.
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Not me. I just let these type guys tweet what they want. So I still get his, despite being protected (I have him muted, but I just type his name in the search when I want to look). This one today is a beaut. 03-shhhh

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(08-14-2019 03:46 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 12:28 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  I could see KU getting an invite to the PAC in some scenario’s.

I think it's a coin toss between them and the B1G, really. There's just more stuff out there about them and the Big Ten that makes it look a bit more likely.

I actually think their football program is much more respectable by 2024 and they can pretty much choose where they wanna go.
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@theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
(08-15-2019 09:19 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  
(08-14-2019 03:46 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 12:28 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  I could see KU getting an invite to the PAC in some scenario’s.

I think it's a coin toss between them and the B1G, really. There's just more stuff out there about them and the Big Ten that makes it look a bit more likely.

I actually think their football program is much more respectable by 2024 and they can pretty much choose where they wanna go.


Even with some improvement on the field I don’t think KU will have tons of options to go just anywhere. They’d need to go with UT or OU in my opinion.
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(08-15-2019 09:41 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 09:19 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  
(08-14-2019 03:46 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-12-2019 12:28 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  I could see KU getting an invite to the PAC in some scenario’s.

I think it's a coin toss between them and the B1G, really. There's just more stuff out there about them and the Big Ten that makes it look a bit more likely.

I actually think their football program is much more respectable by 2024 and they can pretty much choose where they wanna go.


Even with some improvement on the field I don’t think KU will have tons of options to go just anywhere. They’d need to go with UT or OU in my opinion.

I think the ACC would love them, honestly. It just doesn't make sense on either side having an island out there. With the SEC, that's where I think it wouldn't make sense for KU to go without another B12 school, or part of others. I doubt they would want to go to the SEC.

I think they'd prefer peace in their current family overall. It's just not going to be that way. So, they'll likely go where they can get along with and maybe know the most schools. Should the PAC actually pull off 16, I think KU's part of that.
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