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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
Lambert's early GOR is a complete joke. Texas and OU are signing nothing until they decide their 2025 options. And there is no reason to have a GOR, as a GOR is tied to specific earnings, such as a TV contract. But there is no 2025-35 contract, so there is nothing to anchor a new GOR on. What an idiot for suggesting it.

Keep in mind OU could be looking at a $250M difference in income a decade between staying B12 and going B1G or SEC. That's enough to sell your mother down the river.
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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
(08-05-2019 06:58 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 04:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Why add 2 more when every few years you can use the threat of expansion to get a pay bump for waiving your pro rats clause

The pro-rata (my spell check kept changing it to "rats" too) clause was eliminated in the last negotiation.

Are you saying you're not pro-rats?
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(08-05-2019 07:29 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Lambert's early GOR is a complete joke. Texas and OU are signing nothing until they decide their 2025 options. And there is no reason to have a GOR, as a GOR is tied to specific earnings, such as a TV contract. But there is no 2025-35 contract, so there is nothing to anchor a new GOR on. What an idiot for suggesting it.

Keep in mind OU it could be looking at a $250M difference in income a decade between staying B12 and going B1G or SEC. That's enough to sell you mother down the river.

Agreed...
If he has a copy of a signed GOR it might have signatures on it but you can bet Oklahoma, Texas or even Kansas haven’t signed it...
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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
(08-05-2019 07:31 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 06:58 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 04:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Why add 2 more when every few years you can use the threat of expansion to get a pay bump for waiving your pro rats clause

The pro-rata (my spell check kept changing it to "rats" too) clause was eliminated in the last negotiation.

Are you saying you're not pro-rats?

I am vehemently anti-rats.
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WV would want Cinci ahead of those 3
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(08-05-2019 08:32 PM)Bull Wrote:  WV would want Cinci ahead of those 3

Actually, WVa recruits Ohio heavily and dosn't want to elevate UC. WVa also recruits Florida but needs to get yearly exposure in Florida. So having UCF and South Florida makes sense for them.

I still don't believe it's true but, the season hasn't started yet and I was bored.
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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
Elevating a pair of Florida schools into the club would be a blow to the ACC. I don’t believe any schools are going to be added to the Big 12 unless Texas/Oklahoma leave or the B12 falls into a serious playoff drought and simultaneously the FL schools get hot.
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(08-05-2019 08:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 07:31 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 06:58 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 04:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Why add 2 more when every few years you can use the threat of expansion to get a pay bump for waiving your pro rats clause

The pro-rata (my spell check kept changing it to "rats" too) clause was eliminated in the last negotiation.

Are you saying you're not pro-rats?

I am vehemently anti-rats.

That's Ratist!
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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
(08-05-2019 08:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 07:31 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 06:58 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 04:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Why add 2 more when every few years you can use the threat of expansion to get a pay bump for waiving your pro rats clause

The pro-rata (my spell check kept changing it to "rats" too) clause was eliminated in the last negotiation.

Are you saying you're not pro-rats?

I am vehemently anti-rats.

That's Ratist!

It's perfectly okay to be anti-rat as long as you are pro oppressed mice, but not white mice.
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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
(08-05-2019 08:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 07:31 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 06:58 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  The pro-rata (my spell check kept changing it to "rats" too) clause was eliminated in the last negotiation.

Are you saying you're not pro-rats?

I am vehemently anti-rats.

That's Ratist!

It's perfectly okay to be anti-rat as long as you are pro oppressed mice, but not white mice.

Ahah you're Micist and Anti neutral. Some people are just born haters.
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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
(08-05-2019 08:49 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 07:31 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Are you saying you're not pro-rats?

I am vehemently anti-rats.

That's Ratist!

It's perfectly okay to be anti-rat as long as you are pro oppressed mice, but not white mice.

Ahah you're Micist and Anti neutral. Some people are just born haters.

Since rodents leak urine every where they run I'm just damned prejudiced when it comes to any of them!
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(08-05-2019 08:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:49 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I am vehemently anti-rats.

That's Ratist!

It's perfectly okay to be anti-rat as long as you are pro oppressed mice, but not white mice.

Ahah you're Micist and Anti neutral. Some people are just born haters.

Since rodents leak urine every where they run I'm just damned prejudiced when it comes to any of them!

80%+ of all humans are secreters. They leak blood in their body fluids. Sooo, same deal.
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The Dude of WV.

Who’s next? Tuxedo Yoda?
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(08-05-2019 08:56 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:49 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  That's Ratist!

It's perfectly okay to be anti-rat as long as you are pro oppressed mice, but not white mice.

Ahah you're Micist and Anti neutral. Some people are just born haters.

Since rodents leak urine every where they run I'm just damned prejudiced when it comes to any of them!

80%+ of all humans are secreters. They leak blood in their body fluids. Sooo, same deal.

Humans have bladders, underwear, and outer wear, and they generally don't run and leak on your kitchen counters and in the pantries. But if they did, I'd be all for their extermination too. I'm happy to say I was only ever in 1 home that had mice, and they didn't last long. I found and brilloed the hole and plastered over it, trapped them in hav-a-heart traps and shot them at dawn in front of the landlord who swore to me there were no mice in the house. We had no problems after that!
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The only way to breakup this CARTEL that is called Power 5? All other schools and universities from G5, FCS and D2 should join forces to file an anti-trust lawsuit against P5 and NCAA. If the schools win? All tv contracts for the P5 would be void and the P5 conferences would be broken up like Ma Bell was in the 1980s. All you have to say is anti-trust and watched them add MWC and AAC as power conferences. I would love to see all the states represented into Power conferences.
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(08-05-2019 08:39 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:32 PM)Bull Wrote:  WV would want Cinci ahead of those 3

Actually, WVa recruits Ohio heavily and dosn't want to elevate UC. WVa also recruits Florida but needs to get yearly exposure in Florida. So having UCF and South Florida makes sense for them.

I still don't believe it's true but, the season hasn't started yet and I was bored.

Although the rumors last time suggested Fox was very opposed to the FL twins. And when ESPN has FL, Miami and FSU, I don't see why they would be interested.
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(08-05-2019 09:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:39 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(08-05-2019 08:32 PM)Bull Wrote:  WV would want Cinci ahead of those 3

Actually, WVa recruits Ohio heavily and dosn't want to elevate UC. WVa also recruits Florida but needs to get yearly exposure in Florida. So having UCF and South Florida makes sense for them.

I still don't believe it's true but, the season hasn't started yet and I was bored.

Although the rumors last time suggested Fox was very opposed to the FL twins. And when ESPN has FL, Miami and FSU, I don't see why they would be interested.

UCF and USF seems to get better ratings than Miami lately. It would be interesting if ESPN wants to protect their product like Cincinnati, UCF, USF and Memphis. I could throw Houston and Temple in if ESPN talks Texas into turning Longhorn Network into Big 12 and offer more per school and $20 million for the newbies to freeze Fox out.
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(08-05-2019 05:20 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  I wish there was a rule that all P5 conferences needed to have at least 12 teams.

Yea - UConn and NMST are looking for a home. 04-jawdrop 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 04-cheers
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(08-05-2019 09:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The only way to breakup this CARTEL that is called Power 5? All other schools and universities from G5, FCS and D2 should join forces to file an anti-trust lawsuit against P5 and NCAA. If the schools win? All tv contracts for the P5 would be void and the P5 conferences would be broken up like Ma Bell was in the 1980s. All you have to say is anti-trust and watched them add MWC and AAC as power conferences. I would love to see all the states represented into Power conferences.

you do not have a clue how anti-trust works it has nothing at all to do with the conference TV contracts

those conferences are in no way shape or form preventing any other conference from getting a TV contract

the fact that they do not add more members is not anti trust at all because the USA has the right of association and because the fact that some teams cannot get in a conference they wish they were in does not mean that anyone is preventing them from forming a conference and trying to get the best TV contract they can

there are multiple bidders for TV contracts so the fact that some conferences get little to nothing is not anti trust it just means no one wants to pay them and that has nothing to do with other conferences

and you analogy with Ma Bell is extremely poor because what you are saying has in fact already happened......OU and UGA went to court and accused the CFA of being anti trust and it was found to be so and thus the CFA was broken up and individual conferences formed and signed their own TV deals

those conferences are not "Ma Bell" they are Bell South, Southwestern Bell, Verizon, US West, Qwest and others

the fact that SWB is now called AT&T and gets a lot of business and Verizon (Formerly Bell Atlantic) gets a lot of business does not mean that Frontier and Century Link have any anti trust case against them they are all ILEC carriers in some area

nor does it mean that CLEC carriers have any claim against them

there is nothing anti trust about the conferences and their TV deals

and even if anyone wants to say that the football playoffs are anti trust the result of pushing a court case with that is the conferences that own the individual bowls like Big 10/PAC 12 and SEC Sugar would just go back to the way things were before where they have a set match up between two conferences which is 100% legal and other conferences are free to start a bowl game and try and lure the best team to play in that bowl and then the media can award a national champion

the fact that those bowl games and conferences got together and made agreements is not anti trust in and of itself even if the G5 conferences are not happy with their part of the deal......because the conferences that had an ownership stake in the major bowls that brought the value did not have to include any other conference nor did they force other conferences to participate nor did they stop other conferences from trying to start their own bowl game and matching teams and then claiming a national championship

the P5 conferences could have simply signed agreements among themselves they did not have to offer anything to he G5 conferences nor are they stopping those conferences from trying to do the same.....the market is
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RE: @theDudeofWV is at it again. 2 of UCF/BYU/USF to the B12.
Fairly certain BYU never makes it in the Big 12, even if Texahoma bounces.

The Florida directionals make sense in that scenario however.
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