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(08-05-2019 01:48 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  I own guns, I hunt and I shoot for fun. I would be fine with being inconvenienced or intrusive back ground checks if they are part of a comprehensive solution. I also am okay with banning certain firearms like the aR-15 or aK-17. I am also willing to give mine up if it helps solve the mass shooting epidemic that ONLY afflicts the USA t this degree.

I am happy to pay higher taxes to support mental health programs or other programs that part of the solution. I support the elimination of laws which restrict or limit scientific investigation into mass shootings.

Rather than rip each other it would be better to put your solutions on the table for examination. Too easy to rip a position apart. Time to explore the possible positive effect of the solutions offered, not just the negatives.

Not thought out but we should seriously consider limiting the possession of firearms to those who are age 30 or older. Mass shootings seem to be caused by White males under the age of 30 for the most part. Exhaustive background checks with all Federal and State law enforcement agencies would help eliminate some of the shooters. A 90 day waiting period to take possession of a firearm also seems reasonable to both offer a cooling off period for the buyer and to give law enforcement ample time to complete a back ground check. Limit all clips to 10 rounds or less and eliminate any accessories that can either increase capacity or the speed at which rounds can be fired (think bump stocks). Invest in mental health treatment and identification so we can reach out and treat those most in need.

Exhaustive? nope. Realistic? Most likely not. Reasonable? Depends on whether an average of one mass shooting a day qualifies as an epidemic. Have something better to offer? Put it out there. Wan to rip? Go ahead, but offer a credible alternative solution. From an economics viewpoint, limit supply (possession) and demand (mental health). Seems to be the two largest contributing factors.

Have fun with this one lads

We need a serious paradigm shift in our thinking to address. This kind of thinking is what I was referring when I said we needed to look at all kinds of solutions, not just cut to our own conclusions, and then course correct. That's where we are a society, we have a serious problem that's preventable and should be addressed.
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Don't sell body armor and a .223 AR to a 24-year old who was kicked out of school for having a "hit list."

Seems simple enough.

Also - how do his parents not know he has this stuff, and what for?
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Have to appreciate the chutzpah of a guy who rolled back the law restricting people collecting Social Security for mental issues from buying guns, then blaming mental illness for the mass shootings. 03-puke

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-roll-ba...39682.html
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Fthechips...you seriously think President Marmalade is blameless??? I never said he pulled the trigger but occupying the highest office in the land comes with a certain responsibility that he/you can’t ignore. You can’t spout crap off like you’re still on a reality show and then not take responsibility. He can’t stop...the man is mentally ill. Read the El Paso shooter’s manifesto. Reads like a Trump rally. For God’s sake, the f’ing idiot doesn’t know the difference between Dayton and Toledo. The guy is just an embarrassment and he shows it every day. He read his prepared statement this morning like he was a freaking hostage.
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(08-05-2019 07:33 PM)Broncos83 Wrote:  Fthechips...you seriously think President Marmalade is blameless??? I never said he pulled the trigger but occupying the highest office in the land comes with a certain responsibility that he/you can’t ignore. You can’t spout crap off like you’re still on a reality show and then not take responsibility. He can’t stop...the man is mentally ill. Read the El Paso shooter’s manifesto. Reads like a Trump rally. For God’s sake, the f’ing idiot doesn’t know the difference between Dayton and Toledo. The guy is just an embarrassment and he shows it every day. He read his prepared statement this morning like he was a freaking hostage.

That's ok, Biden thought Dayton was in Michigan .
My friends from Cincy use to refer to Toledo as the Dayton of the North.
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Deflect, deflect, deflect. The Prez is an idiot...plain and simple. Serious, serious mental problems. Anyone that would call into a radio show and pretend to be his own publicist to promote himself clearly has issues. Everything is about HIM. I really feel for him...he can’t help himself. He will meet his maker someday and will have plenty to answer for. He’s used people his whole life and is really using his base followers now.
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FFS, the kid's manifest that he posted right before he went and shot up the Wallmart, and it parroted Trump's words almost to a "T". No getting around that.

In Dayton's case, the kid should have never been allowed to get his hands on a magazine, let alone the much ammo. He DID HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

The #Orangeidiot's words today made no freaking sense. They were empty words. He rolled back gun measures, #MoscowMitch is holding back a gun background check bill from reaching the senate floor for an up or down vote and senators being held accountable.

This whole thing reeks. Meanwhile my friend's wife was taking her kids back to the STEM school there was a shooting last spring for a visit and gathering, and received an alert that there was a shooting in Texas. Nice huh?

We are a sick, screwed up society. So far this year, mass shootings alone amount to 296 deaths. They happened FAST, to innocents. Sometimes kids in schools. People out partying, shopping for school supplies for their wee ones doing to school . We're a mess.
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(08-05-2019 07:59 PM)Broncos83 Wrote:  Deflect, deflect, deflect. The Prez is an idiot...plain and simple. Serious, serious mental problems. Anyone that would call into a radio show and pretend to be his own publicist to promote himself clearly has issues. Everything is about HIM. I really feel for him...he can’t help himself. He will meet his maker someday and will have plenty to answer for. He’s used people his whole life and is really using his base followers now.

The guy is a sorry excuse for a man. Let alone POTUS. Pathetic.
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Do a bar graph of killings from mass shootings per year from 1960. Guns have been around. Do a trend line and see when this really started to escalate.
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Mass shootings are a tiny fraction of gun-related deaths in the US. Id rather the Gov't focus on gun violence in poor urban communities.
These people who commit mass killings are most likely psychotic and would just grab a truck and run over a crowd if they had trouble finding a gun (which would not happen with or without more gun laws)

Id also like to see more done on the opioid crisis which kills nearly 50,000/year, including several friends of mine.
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(08-06-2019 07:56 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Mass shootings are a tiny fraction of gun-related deaths in the US. Id rather the Gov't focus on gun violence in poor urban communities.
These people who commit mass killings are most likely psychotic and would just grab a truck and run over a crowd if they had trouble finding a gun (which would not happen with or without more gun laws)

Id also like to see more done on the opioid crisis which kills nearly 50,000/year, including several friends of mine.

I don't think I expected tone deaf posts, but there you go, another one.

So, we're the only country that experiences mass shootings, where people are in a public place, living their lives only to be shot up in schools, stores, public centers, theaters at our rate. More UNPROVOKED shootings than any industrialized combined.

Does that mean we're the only country that has mental illness like you described? We're the only country that has video games. Only country that doesn't pray in schools (that's being trotted out now).

Opioid crisis is quite a different set of circumstances, a false equivalency and it sure doesn't slaughter multiple people in .29 second. Plus, if you have been paying attention, there are legal, political and social actions in place to address.

What's in place to address this issue? I asked before, do we really think mass shootings aren't a problem? Is that what you're saying?
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(08-06-2019 07:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Do a bar graph of killings from mass shootings per year from 1960. Guns have been around. Do a trend line and see when this really started to escalate.

So, it's not an issue then? We have a mass shooting, weekly now.
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(08-06-2019 08:36 AM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 07:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Do a bar graph of killings from mass shootings per year from 1960. Guns have been around. Do a trend line and see when this really started to escalate.

So, it's not an issue then? We have a mass shooting, weekly now.

Guns are only as deadly as the person using them.
2017 there were over 70,000 deaths from drug overdoses. You've had a 2 fold increase in deadly overdoses in the past 10 years. Its trend line is very similar to mass shootings. Obviously there are more underlying societal causes than gun ownership. Some people want to treat symptoms of the illness instead of underlying causes of the disease. 29 people in the US are killed everyday by a drunk driver. Ready to ban alcoholic beverages?
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(08-06-2019 08:57 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 08:36 AM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 07:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Do a bar graph of killings from mass shootings per year from 1960. Guns have been around. Do a trend line and see when this really started to escalate.

So, it's not an issue then? We have a mass shooting, weekly now.

Guns are only as deadly as the person using them.
2017 there were over 70,000 deaths from drug overdoses. You've had a 2 fold increase in deadly overdoses in the past 10 years. Its trend line is very similar to mass shootings. Obviously there are more underlying societal causes than gun ownership. Some people want to treat symptoms of the illness instead of underlying causes of the disease. 29 people in the US are killed everyday by a drunk driver. Ready to ban alcoholic beverages?

Big distinction in "deadly overdoses". They're pretty much self inflicted, not done en mass, and mass shootings aren't our only problem. Shootings are period. But in this case, I'm discussing mass shootings because it's real, it's happening more often recently, and we've done NOTHING as a society to address at last check.

To that note, why don't we try and address all? I've lost people to drunk driving, I understand we need to address.

Are we that single threaded that we can't do more than one issue at time?

You throw a lot of red herrings to deflect the issue that mass shootings are a problem.

Do you really think it's ok for people to go out of their house and face the increasing by year risk, that they get shot by someone with a weapon of war? En masse, with no choice in the matter?
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(08-06-2019 08:57 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 08:36 AM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 07:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Do a bar graph of killings from mass shootings per year from 1960. Guns have been around. Do a trend line and see when this really started to escalate.

So, it's not an issue then? We have a mass shooting, weekly now.

Guns are only as deadly as the person using them.
2017 there were over 70,000 deaths from drug overdoses. You've had a 2 fold increase in deadly overdoses in the past 10 years. Its trend line is very similar to mass shootings. Obviously there are more underlying societal causes than gun ownership. Some people want to treat symptoms of the illness instead of underlying causes of the disease. 29 people in the US are killed everyday by a drunk driver. Ready to ban alcoholic beverages?

Funny how the media portrays things. Wasn't the mass shooter in Dayton a Bernie/Warren Supporter? Yet not a peep from CNN about that. Sure you want to ban "weapons of war" what happens when these people just turn to using handguns or homemade explosives or using cars??? Wasn't the Virginia tech shooting one of the biggest school shootings in history and that was used with two pistols??? Two huge shootings in inner city Chicago the other day with handguns yet no coverage from CNN on it. If the left was really concerned about gun violence then they would go after handguns, not long rifles. Don't believe everything you see on CNN, they love to pick and choose their facts and stories.
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(08-06-2019 02:35 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 08:57 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 08:36 AM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 07:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Do a bar graph of killings from mass shootings per year from 1960. Guns have been around. Do a trend line and see when this really started to escalate.

So, it's not an issue then? We have a mass shooting, weekly now.

Guns are only as deadly as the person using them.
2017 there were over 70,000 deaths from drug overdoses. You've had a 2 fold increase in deadly overdoses in the past 10 years. Its trend line is very similar to mass shootings. Obviously there are more underlying societal causes than gun ownership. Some people want to treat symptoms of the illness instead of underlying causes of the disease. 29 people in the US are killed everyday by a drunk driver. Ready to ban alcoholic beverages?

Funny how the media portrays things. Wasn't the mass shooter in Dayton a Bernie/Warren Supporter? Yet not a peep from CNN about that. Sure you want to ban "weapons of war" what happens when these people just turn to using handguns or homemade explosives or using cars??? Wasn't the Virginia tech shooting one of the biggest school shootings in history and that was used with two pistols??? Two huge shootings in inner city Chicago the other day with handguns yet no coverage from CNN on it. If the left was really concerned about gun violence then they would go after handguns, not long rifles. Don't believe everything you see on CNN, they love to pick and choose their facts and stories.

Let's get the Fox vs CNN debate. All news is slanted. Those two networks are particularly bad albeit in opposite directions. Time for the discussion to change from right vs left, conservative vs liberal, gun owners vs anti guns. Let's acknowledge we have a gun violence issue and work together to solve it.

If a mass shooting is defined as 4 or more deaths, then we have one per day. Whether it be a drive by shooting or a domestic quarrel, guns are routinely used to kill others.

So, Fthechips, would you agree that the USA has a gun violence problem? If so, what is your solution(s) for solving it.
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(08-06-2019 02:35 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 08:57 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 08:36 AM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 07:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Do a bar graph of killings from mass shootings per year from 1960. Guns have been around. Do a trend line and see when this really started to escalate.

So, it's not an issue then? We have a mass shooting, weekly now.

Guns are only as deadly as the person using them.
2017 there were over 70,000 deaths from drug overdoses. You've had a 2 fold increase in deadly overdoses in the past 10 years. Its trend line is very similar to mass shootings. Obviously there are more underlying societal causes than gun ownership. Some people want to treat symptoms of the illness instead of underlying causes of the disease. 29 people in the US are killed everyday by a drunk driver. Ready to ban alcoholic beverages?

Funny how the media portrays things. Wasn't the mass shooter in Dayton a Bernie/Warren Supporter? Yet not a peep from CNN about that. Sure you want to ban "weapons of war" what happens when these people just turn to using handguns or homemade explosives or using cars??? Wasn't the Virginia tech shooting one of the biggest school shootings in history and that was used with two pistols??? Two huge shootings in inner city Chicago the other day with handguns yet no coverage from CNN on it. If the left was really concerned about gun violence then they would go after handguns, not long rifles. Don't believe everything you see on CNN, they love to pick and choose their facts and stories.

Here, I'll help you with this one.

The Dayton shooter wasn't politically motivated, he had a history of hate and made "kill lists". He was disturbed but not by politics or an ideology.

On the other hand, the Synagogue shooter(s) had deep, documented alignment with the White Supremacists and the El Paso shooter even published a manifesto parroting Trump.

There, glad I could help you out.
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Six of the Dayton shooter's victims were black, including (reportedly) a man his sister was seeing.

May yet turn out to have been a "hate crime."
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(08-06-2019 03:05 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 02:35 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 08:57 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 08:36 AM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-06-2019 07:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Do a bar graph of killings from mass shootings per year from 1960. Guns have been around. Do a trend line and see when this really started to escalate.

So, it's not an issue then? We have a mass shooting, weekly now.

Guns are only as deadly as the person using them.
2017 there were over 70,000 deaths from drug overdoses. You've had a 2 fold increase in deadly overdoses in the past 10 years. Its trend line is very similar to mass shootings. Obviously there are more underlying societal causes than gun ownership. Some people want to treat symptoms of the illness instead of underlying causes of the disease. 29 people in the US are killed everyday by a drunk driver. Ready to ban alcoholic beverages?

Funny how the media portrays things. Wasn't the mass shooter in Dayton a Bernie/Warren Supporter? Yet not a peep from CNN about that. Sure you want to ban "weapons of war" what happens when these people just turn to using handguns or homemade explosives or using cars??? Wasn't the Virginia tech shooting one of the biggest school shootings in history and that was used with two pistols??? Two huge shootings in inner city Chicago the other day with handguns yet no coverage from CNN on it. If the left was really concerned about gun violence then they would go after handguns, not long rifles. Don't believe everything you see on CNN, they love to pick and choose their facts and stories.

Let's get the Fox vs CNN debate. All news is slanted. Those two networks are particularly bad albeit in opposite directions. Time for the discussion to change from right vs left, conservative vs liberal, gun owners vs anti guns. Let's acknowledge we have a gun violence issue and work together to solve it.

If a mass shooting is defined as 4 or more deaths, then we have one per day. Whether it be a drive by shooting or a domestic quarrel, guns are routinely used to kill others.

So, Fthechips, would you agree that the USA has a gun violence problem? If so, what is your solution(s) for solving it.

Yes we have a gun violence problem, but not until recently. We’ve had guns around for centuries and never had an issue until recently. What has changed? I don’t think more regulation and more confiscation is the answer, the federal government sucks, why would you give them more control and more responsibility?! To be honest, I don’t know what the solution is. There are sick people out there and they will use whatever tools they can get their hands on. For school shootings, I think fortifying the schools with metal detectors and armed guards is a step in the right direction, surprised that hasn’t been federally mandated yet. There’s a lot of statistics out there that support guns, when you take guns away, violent crime rises, guns save way more people each year than they kill. If we want to solve the real gun violence problem shouldn’t we be targeting hand guns and not the leftist talking point of banning “weapons of war”. Most if not all guns can be modified illegally to become weapons of war, that’s what every gun is... a weapon of war.

Cancer, hear disease, strokes, suicides, opioids, drunk driving all kill more people per day than guns do. Yet the media seems so much more concerned about guns.
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