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Saw a video a year ago where Mack Brown said UTRGV would be FBS when the program matures more. The WAC just isn’t ready yet for the official announcement. Mack Brown was hired for the PR value, so[/u] UTRGV must have money for that PR campaign.

Don’t know where the money will come from, but a Med School means more money must be spent on PR nationally, which FBS can give.
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(08-11-2019 11:54 AM)edinburger Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 10:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
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(08-10-2019 07:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 01:44 AM)Hilldog Wrote:  What's the relationship between UTRGV and the Southland? Is UTRGV relationship with the Southland like Bakersfield-who basically begged and pleaded to get into the Big West for years? Is lack of football a non starter for UTRGV to the Southland? But, Corpus Christi also doesn't have football and a member of the Southland.
The Southland needs to slim down a few schools and Sam Houston, McNeese St Lamar and maybe UIW have been wanting FBS for years. The Southland will get Tarleton St as a move up and call it good. Tarleton St wants the Southland not the WAC, as the Southland has a smaller geography now than the Lonestar but it DI.

I agree that the Southland needs to slim down! If you're a non P5 school, there is no reason to have that many schools in your conference.

But, I doubt any of those Southland schools you named will all move up!

The next round of conference realignment will force non P5 conferences to make geographic sense.

UTEP, which is a CSUA outliner, will go to the Mt. West.

Texas St. will go to CUSA. This creates four schools in eastern Texas, Rice, UTSA, North Texas, and CUSA, all within a 250 or so miles from each other. Rice to UTEP is about 700 miles.

The Sun Belt fills with one of those schools you named.

Then the Southland fills with UTRGV!!

I remember reading that UTRGV hired Oliver Luck to do a football study. I don't remember reading what were the conclusions from that study!

Mack Brown chaired the UTRGV fb feasibility campaign. He has said in print that FBS will happen at a nearby minor league soccer field but it hasn’t been officially announced yet.

https://www.utrgv.edu/en-us/about-utrgv/...committee/

1. You're correct that HEB stadium, where the RGV FC Toros play, was supposedly designed so it could be restriped for football. It's big enough (9735 w/o endzones built out) and it's a nice looking modern facility. But.....

2. Two previous partnership deals have fallen apart: (a) UTRGV backed out of using the Bert Ogden Arena for basketball, and (b) the joint minor-league/UTRGV baseball stadium is now just used by UTRGV after our minor league team faded away. I don't know if the local community can be be persuaded to try again.

3. That football feasibility report was never officially released, it was extracted from our admin by the local paper filing information requests (state equivalent of FOIA). Officially there's not even a plan for football, there is only an unreleased study on whether to have a plan.

4. Your link is from 2016. Neither the prez, the AD, nor Mack Brown has said anything of substance in roughly two years. The study on whether to have a plan is on indefinite hold. Repeat: it's not the plan that's on hold. It's the study on whether to have a plan that's on hold.

5. There is no money. The new med school is a huge cash sink and our capital campaigns are organized around propping it up, not starting new teams. In the regular academic departments we're being asked to let go full time faculty and replace them with grad students and part timers.

6. Our dual EVPs are putting heavy pressure on faculty to change classes to online, and to focus on commuters and people not even in the valley looking for cheap, low-commitment MS/MA/MBA degrees. That's the opposite of resident, committed undergrad students who'd go to football games.

7. Again, my read on the Conque hire is the opposite of yours. If there was any glimmer of an idea of starting something in the next 5-10 years, our prez would have hired an AD with experience overseeing football.


8. And finally, football would need approval from the UT system office in Austin. Here's the unpleasant truth: the merger with Brownsville has not gone all that well, we just recently got off SACS probation (which was a full-up national academic walk of shame), our prez is an absentee landlord who's rarely seen except at graduation (and he missed some of those too). It could be that as far as Austin is concerned we don't have our act together and need to focus on fixing what we already have. Of course we think that's too harsh but I could see it from their point of view. I strongly suspect that items (3) and (4) above are the result of an order from Austin to file the football study, stop talking about it, and focus on basics.

I wonder what UTRGV asked Chasse Conque to do with the athletic program.

I'm sure getting into a more regional conference at near the top of the list. So, does anybody in the Southland have connections to Conque? I can see the Southland adding UTRGV for 14 schools, and that protects them from any football schools moving up!!

His background is in development and UTRGV, as all college programs, need as much money as possible!
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(08-12-2019 01:32 AM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 11:54 AM)edinburger Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 10:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 09:13 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 07:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Southland needs to slim down a few schools and Sam Houston, McNeese St Lamar and maybe UIW have been wanting FBS for years. The Southland will get Tarleton St as a move up and call it good. Tarleton St wants the Southland not the WAC, as the Southland has a smaller geography now than the Lonestar but it DI.

I agree that the Southland needs to slim down! If you're a non P5 school, there is no reason to have that many schools in your conference.

But, I doubt any of those Southland schools you named will all move up!

The next round of conference realignment will force non P5 conferences to make geographic sense.

UTEP, which is a CSUA outliner, will go to the Mt. West.

Texas St. will go to CUSA. This creates four schools in eastern Texas, Rice, UTSA, North Texas, and CUSA, all within a 250 or so miles from each other. Rice to UTEP is about 700 miles.

The Sun Belt fills with one of those schools you named.

Then the Southland fills with UTRGV!!

I remember reading that UTRGV hired Oliver Luck to do a football study. I don't remember reading what were the conclusions from that study!

Mack Brown chaired the UTRGV fb feasibility campaign. He has said in print that FBS will happen at a nearby minor league soccer field but it hasn’t been officially announced yet.

https://www.utrgv.edu/en-us/about-utrgv/...committee/

1. You're correct that HEB stadium, where the RGV FC Toros play, was supposedly designed so it could be restriped for football. It's big enough (9735 w/o endzones built out) and it's a nice looking modern facility. But.....

2. Two previous partnership deals have fallen apart: (a) UTRGV backed out of using the Bert Ogden Arena for basketball, and (b) the joint minor-league/UTRGV baseball stadium is now just used by UTRGV after our minor league team faded away. I don't know if the local community can be be persuaded to try again.

3. That football feasibility report was never officially released, it was extracted from our admin by the local paper filing information requests (state equivalent of FOIA). Officially there's not even a plan for football, there is only an unreleased study on whether to have a plan.

4. Your link is from 2016. Neither the prez, the AD, nor Mack Brown has said anything of substance in roughly two years. The study on whether to have a plan is on indefinite hold. Repeat: it's not the plan that's on hold. It's the study on whether to have a plan that's on hold.

5. There is no money. The new med school is a huge cash sink and our capital campaigns are organized around propping it up, not starting new teams. In the regular academic departments we're being asked to let go full time faculty and replace them with grad students and part timers.

6. Our dual EVPs are putting heavy pressure on faculty to change classes to online, and to focus on commuters and people not even in the valley looking for cheap, low-commitment MS/MA/MBA degrees. That's the opposite of resident, committed undergrad students who'd go to football games.

7. Again, my read on the Conque hire is the opposite of yours. If there was any glimmer of an idea of starting something in the next 5-10 years, our prez would have hired an AD with experience overseeing football.


8. And finally, football would need approval from the UT system office in Austin. Here's the unpleasant truth: the merger with Brownsville has not gone all that well, we just recently got off SACS probation (which was a full-up national academic walk of shame), our prez is an absentee landlord who's rarely seen except at graduation (and he missed some of those too). It could be that as far as Austin is concerned we don't have our act together and need to focus on fixing what we already have. Of course we think that's too harsh but I could see it from their point of view. I strongly suspect that items (3) and (4) above are the result of an order from Austin to file the football study, stop talking about it, and focus on basics.

I wonder what UTRGV asked Chasse Conque to do with the athletic program.

I'm sure getting into a more regional conference at near the top of the list. So, does anybody in the Southland have connections to Conque? I can see the Southland adding UTRGV for 14 schools, and that protects them from any football schools moving up!!

His background is in development and UTRGV, as all college programs, need as much money as possible!
This new USL stadium in Edinburg which can be expanded to more than 20k the end zones makes me conclude that UTRGV has an opportunity that has never been available before.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/edinburgpolitic...B-Park.jpg

UTRGV wants to take advantage of it. Money may be an serious issue, but adding another $100 athletic fee goes a long ways with 30,000 students.
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Yeah put the burden of the costs of a football team on the students!! If the students do vote, there should be a 75% majority voting for football. Not a simple majority!

I saw a story about the attendance of all D1 football schools in Texas. There are 22 D1 football schools in Texas-both divisions. UTRGV, A&M Corpus Christi, and UT Arlington are three D1 schools in Texas who do not have football. Am I missing any other schools?
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A friend's son played for the Edinburg Roadrunners in the Texas-Louisiana League that changed names to the Central League. That league had a team named Rio Grande Valley Wings.

Doing a search I found that there was an Ediburg Coyotes and a second Edinburg Roadrunners! Most of these independent teams leave behind a mound of unpaid bills. Mainly to the owners of the stadium they play in.
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(08-12-2019 10:59 AM)Hilldog Wrote:  Yeah put the burden of the costs of a football team on the students!! If the students do vote, there should be a 75% majority voting for football. Not a simple majority!

I saw a story about the attendance of all D1 football schools in Texas. There are 22 D1 football schools in Texas-both divisions. UTRGV, A&M Corpus Christi, and UT Arlington are three D1 schools in Texas who do not have football. Am I missing any other schools?

Yes, we aren't GCU or Seattle, and a $100 fee isn't at all negligible for our students. Our tuition and fees are about $7300/yr, and one suspects thats tied closely to what gets covered by a Pell Grant ($6200/yr) plus typical supplements and state grants. Probably many of the students are roughly breaking even or paying a few hundred out of pocket so the $100 looks like a large percentage increase.
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(08-12-2019 11:16 AM)Hilldog Wrote:  A friend's son played for the Edinburg Roadrunners in the Texas-Louisiana League that changed names to the Central League. That league had a team named Rio Grande Valley Wings.

Doing a search I found that there was an Ediburg Coyotes and a second Edinburg Roadrunners! Most of these independent teams leave behind a mound of unpaid bills. Mainly to the owners of the stadium they play in.

Not a baseball fan, but I believe the original Roadrunners were pretty good, winning records and some championships. Probably just too hard to make money off of minor league baseball in a not-very-wealthy town like Edinburg. It sounds petty, but it's just too damn hot here for an outdoor summer sport, and that's one reason I don't go.

On the other hand basketball is air-conditioned and the RGV Vipers seem to be doing very well. Arguably the greatest D/G-league team ever, and claimed attendance over 8,000 for championship games.
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Of the D1 schools without football in Texas- UTRGV, Arlington, Corpus Christi; who is most likely to bring back/start football?
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(08-24-2019 08:20 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  Of the D1 schools without football in Texas- UTRGV, Arlington, Corpus Christi; who is most likely to bring back/start football?

All three are very unlikely; if you're talking ultra long shots then maybe UTA.

1. UTRGV: We've already discussed this one in detail.

2. TAMUCC: Everyone in TX is still horrified and tramautized by the cruel shotgun marriage between UTPA and UTB into UTRGV, and deathly afraid it will happen to them. There is already football at TAMUK 40 miles away. The very last thing TAMUCC wants is to have some genius in the legislature say "hey, why don't we save money and bring D1 football to the area by merging them?".

Even though TAMUCC is our mortal enemy, I would not wish such a thing on them. TAMUCC will keep their heads down on this issue.

3. UTA: The DFW area already has two college teams and a pro team so no one is starved for games to go to. Unlike SMU and UNT, it's mainly a commuter school. However, maybe those aren't complete killers.

PS: In case you're wondering, why doesn't UTA have to worry about a sadistic forced marriage? Because they have more legislators, and more of those in the majority.
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(08-24-2019 08:20 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  Of the D1 schools without football in Texas- UTRGV, Arlington, Corpus Christi; who is most likely to bring back/start football?

All three are very unlikely; if you're talking ultra long shots then maybe UTA.

3. UTA: The DFW area already has two college teams and a pro team so no one is starved for games to go to. Unlike SMU and UNT, it's mainly a commuter school. However, maybe those aren't complete killers.

PS: In case you're wondering, why doesn't UTA have to worry about a sadistic forced marriage? Because they have more legislators, and more of those in the majority.

UNT is as much commuter as UTA. In fact, more so based on residential bed numbers. (But, both are a mix.)
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(08-25-2019 12:07 PM)edinburger Wrote:  
(08-24-2019 08:20 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  Of the D1 schools without football in Texas- UTRGV, Arlington, Corpus Christi; who is most likely to bring back/start football?

All three are very unlikely; if you're talking ultra long shots then maybe UTA.

1. UTRGV: We've already discussed this one in detail.

2. TAMUCC: Everyone in TX is still horrified and tramautized by the cruel shotgun marriage between UTPA and UTB into UTRGV, and deathly afraid it will happen to them. There is already football at TAMUK 40 miles away. The very last thing TAMUCC wants is to have some genius in the legislature say "hey, why don't we save money and bring D1 football to the area by merging them?".

Even though TAMUCC is our mortal enemy, I would not wish such a thing on them. TAMUCC will keep their heads down on this issue.

3. UTA: The DFW area already has two college teams and a pro team so no one is starved for games to go to. Unlike SMU and UNT, it's mainly a commuter school. However, maybe those aren't complete killers.

PS: In case you're wondering, why doesn't UTA have to worry about a sadistic forced marriage? Because they have more legislators, and more of those in the majority.

What are the issues with the combining of Pan American & Brownsville?

If CC and Kingsville combined, that would be bad logistics or a ton of money for facilities! If they keep football at Kingsville, since I assume CC doesn't have a stadium or other facilities, but keep the rest of the sports at CC, that's bad logistics for students and fans.

If they wanted to move sports to one campus, unless CC has a football ready stadium, it would cost a ton of money to build.
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(08-26-2019 02:04 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(08-25-2019 12:07 PM)edinburger Wrote:  
(08-24-2019 08:20 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  Of the D1 schools without football in Texas- UTRGV, Arlington, Corpus Christi; who is most likely to bring back/start football?

All three are very unlikely; if you're talking ultra long shots then maybe UTA.

1. UTRGV: We've already discussed this one in detail.

2. TAMUCC: Everyone in TX is still horrified and tramautized by the cruel shotgun marriage between UTPA and UTB into UTRGV, and deathly afraid it will happen to them. There is already football at TAMUK 40 miles away. The very last thing TAMUCC wants is to have some genius in the legislature say "hey, why don't we save money and bring D1 football to the area by merging them?".

Even though TAMUCC is our mortal enemy, I would not wish such a thing on them. TAMUCC will keep their heads down on this issue.

3. UTA: The DFW area already has two college teams and a pro team so no one is starved for games to go to. Unlike SMU and UNT, it's mainly a commuter school. However, maybe those aren't complete killers.

PS: In case you're wondering, why doesn't UTA have to worry about a sadistic forced marriage? Because they have more legislators, and more of those in the majority.

What are the issues with the combining of Pan American & Brownsville?

If CC and Kingsville combined, that would be bad logistics or a ton of money for facilities! If they keep football at Kingsville, since I assume CC doesn't have a stadium or other facilities, but keep the rest of the sports at CC, that's bad logistics for students and fans.

If they wanted to move sports to one campus, unless CC has a football ready stadium, it would cost a ton of money to build.

The two campuses are about 35 miles apart as the crow flies and about 45 miles driving distance; a short drive in Houston. 03-wink On a more serious note, the distance between the two campuses would be a concern.

If using TAMU-CC as home:

Instead of building a football stadium in Corpus Christi, another option would be to use Buccaneer Stadium, an 18,000 seat high school stadium, at least temporarily. It is 9 miles from the TAMU-CC campus. https://texasbob.com/stadium/stadium.php?id=203 It's record capacity is 23,000. Based on this year's schedule, it looks like the stadium is open on all but 2 Saturdays during football season.
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi plays basketball off campus at the American Bank Center (8,400 seats) or on campus at the Dugan Wellness Center (1,200 seats). The baseball stadium seats 750 while the softball stadium seats 250. The Islanders play a few games at the off-campus Whataburger Field (7,050 seats). They played 4 games there last season. In addition, the Islanders have a really nice soccer / track complex.

If using TAMU-Kingsville as home:

Another option would be to use existing facilities at Texas A&M-Kingsville. All facilities are on campus and are university owned. The Javelinas have a 12,500-15,000 seat football / track stadium, a 4,000 seat basketball arena, a 4,000 seat baseball stadium, and a 750 seat softball stadium.

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To get this back to UTRGV, I thought the Vaqueros could have used one of the local Valley high school stadiums to at least get a football program started. Richard R. Flores Stadium (9,500 seats) is about 2 miles from the UTRGV Edinburg campus. McAllen Memorial Stadium (13,500 seats) is about 9 miles from campus.
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(08-25-2019 07:44 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  
(08-25-2019 12:07 PM)edinburger Wrote:  
(08-24-2019 08:20 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  Of the D1 schools without football in Texas- UTRGV, Arlington, Corpus Christi; who is most likely to bring back/start football?

All three are very unlikely; if you're talking ultra long shots then maybe UTA.

3. UTA: The DFW area already has two college teams and a pro team so no one is starved for games to go to. Unlike SMU and UNT, it's mainly a commuter school. However, maybe those aren't complete killers.

PS: In case you're wondering, why doesn't UTA have to worry about a sadistic forced marriage? Because they have more legislators, and more of those in the majority.

UNT is as much commuter as UTA. In fact, more so based on residential bed numbers. (But, both are a mix.)

Well, I was going off UTA having 5% of students live on campus (UTRGV is in the same range). I looked up UNT and it's 19%, so yeah, a mix.

Do you think there's a chance?
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(08-26-2019 04:41 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  
(08-26-2019 02:04 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(08-25-2019 12:07 PM)edinburger Wrote:  
(08-24-2019 08:20 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  Of the D1 schools without football in Texas- UTRGV, Arlington, Corpus Christi; who is most likely to bring back/start football?

All three are very unlikely; if you're talking ultra long shots then maybe UTA.

1. UTRGV: We've already discussed this one in detail.

2. TAMUCC: Everyone in TX is still horrified and tramautized by the cruel shotgun marriage between UTPA and UTB into UTRGV, and deathly afraid it will happen to them. There is already football at TAMUK 40 miles away. The very last thing TAMUCC wants is to have some genius in the legislature say "hey, why don't we save money and bring D1 football to the area by merging them?".

Even though TAMUCC is our mortal enemy, I would not wish such a thing on them. TAMUCC will keep their heads down on this issue.

3. UTA: The DFW area already has two college teams and a pro team so no one is starved for games to go to. Unlike SMU and UNT, it's mainly a commuter school. However, maybe those aren't complete killers.

PS: In case you're wondering, why doesn't UTA have to worry about a sadistic forced marriage? Because they have more legislators, and more of those in the majority.

What are the issues with the combining of Pan American & Brownsville?

If CC and Kingsville combined, that would be bad logistics or a ton of money for facilities! If they keep football at Kingsville, since I assume CC doesn't have a stadium or other facilities, but keep the rest of the sports at CC, that's bad logistics for students and fans.

If they wanted to move sports to one campus, unless CC has a football ready stadium, it would cost a ton of money to build.

The two campuses are about 35 miles apart as the crow flies and about 45 miles driving distance; a short drive in Houston. 03-wink On a more serious note, the distance between the two campuses would be a concern.

If using TAMU-CC as home:

Instead of building a football stadium in Corpus Christi, another option would be to use Buccaneer Stadium, an 18,000 seat high school stadium, at least temporarily. It is 9 miles from the TAMU-CC campus. https://texasbob.com/stadium/stadium.php?id=203 It's record capacity is 23,000. Based on this year's schedule, it looks like the stadium is open on all but 2 Saturdays during football season.
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi plays basketball off campus at the American Bank Center (8,400 seats) or on campus at the Dugan Wellness Center (1,200 seats). The baseball stadium seats 750 while the softball stadium seats 250. The Islanders play a few games at the off-campus Whataburger Field (7,050 seats). They played 4 games there last season. In addition, the Islanders have a really nice soccer / track complex.

If using TAMU-Kingsville as home:

Another option would be to use existing facilities at Texas A&M-Kingsville. All facilities are on campus and are university owned. The Javelinas have a 12,500-15,000 seat football / track stadium, a 4,000 seat basketball arena, a 4,000 seat baseball stadium, and a 750 seat softball stadium.

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To get this back to UTRGV, I thought the Vaqueros could have used one of the local Valley high school stadiums to at least get a football program started. Richard R. Flores Stadium (9,500 seats) is about 2 miles from the UTRGV Edinburg campus. McAllen Memorial Stadium (13,500 seats) is about 9 miles from campus.

For UTRGV, the stadium isn't really the issue. As you point out, we've got two good HS stadiums. And as was mentioned earlier, the HEB Park (9000 and could be expanded) is not far away and accommodating UTRGV football was already a consideration when they built it. And anyway 4000 is probably a more likely attendance figure unless we do something unexpected like win games.

The issue is the money for 85 scholarships, several hundred plane tickets, a FBS level coach, and a women's softball team for balance. We don't have that kind of money. And if some fairy godmother gives us the money, we still need permisison from the people in Austin who are looking at us like a father looks at an illegitimate stepson that just flunked 11th grade but says he wants a new Camaro.
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(08-25-2019 12:07 PM)edinburger Wrote:  
(08-24-2019 08:20 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  Of the D1 schools without football in Texas- UTRGV, Arlington, Corpus Christi; who is most likely to bring back/start football?

All three are very unlikely; if you're talking ultra long shots then maybe UTA.

1. UTRGV: We've already discussed this one in detail.

2. TAMUCC: Everyone in TX is still horrified and tramautized by the cruel shotgun marriage between UTPA and UTB into UTRGV, and deathly afraid it will happen to them. There is already football at TAMUK 40 miles away. The very last thing TAMUCC wants is to have some genius in the legislature say "hey, why don't we save money and bring D1 football to the area by merging them?".

Even though TAMUCC is our mortal enemy, I would not wish such a thing on them. TAMUCC will keep their heads down on this issue.

3. UTA: The DFW area already has two college teams and a pro team so no one is starved for games to go to. Unlike SMU and UNT, it's mainly a commuter school. However, maybe those aren't complete killers.

PS: In case you're wondering, why doesn't UTA have to worry about a sadistic forced marriage? Because they have more legislators, and more of those in the majority.

What are the issues with the combining of Pan American & Brownsville?

If CC and Kingsville combined, that would be bad logistics or a ton of money for facilities! If they keep football at Kingsville, since I assume CC doesn't have a stadium or other facilities, but keep the rest of the sports at CC, that's bad logistics for students and fans.

If they wanted to move sports to one campus, unless CC has a football ready stadium, it would cost a ton of money to build.

The combination of Pan American and Brownsville...informally known as the "merger"...called the "new university" in the bulls*** people were told that got us put on probation.....called the "transition" by people who are trying to be polite...called the "Great Failed Experiment" by people who aren't...legally just the renaming of UTPA to UTRGV when one digs through to find what really happened.

It was bad, probably here isn't the place to post a whole book worth of academic and financial turmoil. Just sticking to sports and morale: decades of alumni and faculty loyalty aren't an assignable resource that can be redirected by a memo from an administrator; you don't ask students to pick a team name complete with voting and then just have the president ignore it all and pick one himself; you don't shut down every team at Brownsville and expect students to take it with a smile and then travel 75 miles to cheer for Edinburg teams.
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What about students? Do they really want football at UTRGV? Or if you walked around campus,would you see A&M and TU gear? Even if the students want football, are they willing to pay for football?

Say they asked UTRGV students to pass a fee increase for football & softball, of $200/semester. How likely are students to pass that amount of fee increase? They could stagger the increases, so the students voting for it now, will never to have to pay the full $200, if they graduate in 4-5 years.
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(08-28-2019 05:26 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  What about students? Do they really want football at UTRGV? Or if you walked around campus,would you see A&M and TU gear? Even if the students want football, are they willing to pay for football?

Say they asked UTRGV students to pass a fee increase for football & softball, of $200/semester. How likely are students to pass that amount of fee increase? They could stagger the increases, so the students voting for it now, will never to have to pay the full $200, if they graduate in 4-5 years.

Haven't taken a poll but $200/semester is way out of range. The vast majority won't buy a $150 textbook, regardless of consequences.

It would need to be <$100 to even think about putting it to a vote. I think anyone who lives down here would back me up.
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(08-28-2019 08:37 PM)edinburger Wrote:  
(08-28-2019 05:26 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  What about students? Do they really want football at UTRGV? Or if you walked around campus,would you see A&M and TU gear? Even if the students want football, are they willing to pay for football?

Say they asked UTRGV students to pass a fee increase for football & softball, of $200/semester. How likely are students to pass that amount of fee increase? They could stagger the increases, so the students voting for it now, will never to have to pay the full $200, if they graduate in 4-5 years.

Haven't taken a poll but $200/semester is way out of range. The vast majority won't buy a $150 textbook, regardless of consequences.

It would need to be <$100 to even think about putting it to a vote. I think anyone who lives down here would back me up.

A lot of students are on financial aid though. Like get everything paid for level of aid. People here know how to game the system. I have relatives who got divorced "on paper" just to get their kid fully paid for financial aid. That's not even counting the economically disadvantaged kids. I think a lot of people would vote yes just because they don't really have to worry about the bill.
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