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Mack Brown Proposes A New Playoff Format
Brown said he would have a six-team format, which would include the conference winners and an at-large team. The rest of college football would then have a separate national championship.

“Take out the team that somebody is going to kill," Brown said. "It’s a scrimmage anyway for money.”

He added the non-Power 5 vs. Power 5 matchup isn’t good for football.

“That hasn’t played well,” Brown said. "Usually, the team in the Power 5 hasn’t been excited about it. The fans aren’t excited about it.

"I don’t think that is fair to anyone."

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He best hope he wins the game on 9/21 then.
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If you were truly about seeing the best football, why wouldn't you just support the 5 highest ranked conference champions rather than champions from 5 predetermined conferences?
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So essentially he is proposing that the FBS be further split into two divisions. Why didn't he just say that?
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It'd be one thing if he were just coming off a natty at Texas and proposing this. He is at UNC. The dumpster fire.
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ESPN trial balloon.
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(08-02-2019 10:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  ESPN trial balloon.

Nah---he's said this before a couple of years ago. It was worded a bit differently---but it was basically the same idea. I suspect the 8-team 5-1-2 format will be the final answer. Its not perfect---but its darn close. It allows teams to win their way in and control their own destiny. It supplies actual legit access for the G5. Yet, it still provides 2 slots for the committee to provide a "second chance" route for 2 teams that didnt win their conference---but still excelled against impressively strong schedules. It seems the 5-1-2 basically addresses most of the current issues fairly and reasonably. I just think thats where we will end up and it will probably be like that for a long time with no further expansion.
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WTF happens to people when they get to Chapel Hill?

Maybe Mack can explain to us how football doesn't cause concussions and reducing violence in football will destroy America.
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Mack: Shows up to break camp and looks over his roster

Players: Alright, we're here boss. Ready to go!

Mack: Checks schedule

Mack: To media: "P5 teams just shouldn't be playing G5 teams. No one is excited about it. Especially not me. It's just not a good thing."
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When Mack was at Texas, he proposed something he called "the NFL of college football", a new division for the top 32 teams, who would play each other exclusively.

Now he's at North Carolina, and he's not proposing that any more. Wonder why. 07-coffee3
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Except UNC can't even beat instate G5 team ECU and probably will get beat by UCF and App State this year
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Any playoff that doesn’t go by conference champions and has a beauty contest to decide who plays I’m not interested in, never have been
So Mac says the rest can have their own national championship, so what teams make up the rest, g5 teams?, mybe if some top A5 teams move over to g5 and just have two FBS leagues that have their own playoffs and then both league champs play for a real national championship
This is my bucket list any way
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Former Tulane official said Mack pushed HARD to get Tulane to buy their way into the Independence Bowl. Tulane ended up guaranteeing a really big ticket buy and spent some money with the I-Bowl to market Tulane.

His pitch was we have to have this bowl bid if we are going to be effective recruiting and build the program.

Few weeks later he's in Chapel Hill and the talk is all about how impressive it was he got Tulane to a bowl.

I like Mack because Mack doesn't hide from the fact he's his own biggest supporter and his success is priority one. It's true of all other coaches but some like to dress it up and pretend they are selfless.
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The 5-1 proposal is Mack Brown's alone. There are too many logistical problems. The Playoff Bowls have to be after Christmas. The reason has to do with why the Bowls exist, for tourism, and people are not likely to go to Bowls before Christmas and stay any length of time (this is why the lesser G5 Bowls are before Christmas, the P5 after).

The 5 is a given. CCGs are losing value and interest rapidly. The B12 had to settle for $10M for the three games CBS bailed out on, whereas the prior ones were for $20M. That is a warning shot to all the P5 that their CCGs need to matter or else they are glorified exhibitions; tOSU even went to the playoff once as the B1G rep without going to the CCG! Playing for an automatic playoff berth would make all 5 CCGs must watch TV, especially with ending divisions and sending the best two. That means more value and money for all the P5 they don't have to share.

There is also the political side. To get the SEC to agree, the playoffs needs to have 3 at-large so the SEC can pretty much guarantee a 2nd school, ditto B1G most years.

The 5-1-2 will be pushed for hard by the American, possibly with some support from the MWC. But I don't think it'll happen, to rather if it does, it will require the G5 school be in the top 10. Only last year's UCF team managed that. But it's hard to see the P5 agreeing to hand over a slot of Notre Dame, Michigan, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Wisconsin, Florida State or UCLA to a G5 school. The P5 do not need any G5 votes to pass this, so 5-3 will win the day. But I can see a top 10 ranking rule that might have benefited UCF.

The access will still be there, and the lowest of the 11 P5 ranked schools will still wind up against the top G5 in the bogey prize game. It is more valuable than a G5 playoff. The 9th and 10th get the miss congeniality consolation bowl as usual. And there will still be a 7th Bowl grabbing up the 12th and 13th or 14th best P5 which is vying to get in the NY6.

The G5 playoff may happen. But I think it'll be for 2nd to 5th conference champions. I can't see the American signing on, and I can't see this G5 CG paying out more than the NY6 access Bowl. Nobody will want to host the G5 Championship game, although the first round playoffs would see a gaggle of pre-Christmas Bowls interested.
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(08-02-2019 01:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The 5-1 proposal is Mack Brown's alone. There are too many logistical problems. The Playoff Bowls have to be after Christmas. The reason has to do with why the Bowls exist, for tourism, and people are not likely to go to Bowls before Christmas and stay any length of time (this is why the lesser G5 Bowls are before Christmas, the P5 after).

The 5 is a given. CCGs are losing value and interest rapidly. The B12 had to settle for $10M for the three games CBS bailed out on, whereas the prior ones were for $20M. That is a warning shot to all the P5 that their CCGs need to matter or else they are glorified exhibitions; tOSU even went to the playoff once as the B1G rep without going to the CCG! Playing for an automatic playoff berth would make all 5 CCGs must watch TV, especially with ending divisions and sending the best two. That means more value and money for all the P5 they don't have to share.

There is also the political side. To get the SEC to agree, the playoffs needs to have 3 at-large so the SEC can pretty much guarantee a 2nd school, ditto B1G most years.

The 5-1-2 will be pushed for hard by the American, possibly with some support from the MWC. But I don't think it'll happen, to rather if it does, it will require the G5 school be in the top 10. Only last year's UCF team managed that. But it's hard to see the P5 agreeing to hand over a slot of Notre Dame, Michigan, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Wisconsin, Florida State or UCLA to a G5 school. The P5 do not need any G5 votes to pass this, so 5-3 will win the day. But I can see a top 10 ranking rule that might have benefited UCF.

The access will still be there, and the lowest of the 11 P5 ranked schools will still wind up against the top G5 in the bogey prize game. It is more valuable than a G5 playoff. The 9th and 10th get the miss congeniality consolation bowl as usual. And there will still be a 7th Bowl grabbing up the 12th and 13th or 14th best P5 which is vying to get in the NY6.

The G5 playoff may happen. But I think it'll be for 2nd to 5th conference champions. I can't see the American signing on, and I can't see this G5 CG paying out more than the NY6 access Bowl. Nobody will want to host the G5 Championship game, although the first round playoffs would see a gaggle of pre-Christmas Bowls interested.

The ONLY way I think the G5 would ever sign-off on a G5 playoff is if the big boy playoff included a spot for the top ranked G5 champion.

Then they MIGHT agree but even then I think it would be a scuffle unless it was marketed as a football NIT and could get some P5's involved.
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(08-02-2019 01:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The 5-1 proposal is Mack Brown's alone. There are too many logistical problems. The Playoff Bowls have to be after Christmas. The reason has to do with why the Bowls exist, for tourism, and people are not likely to go to Bowls before Christmas and stay any length of time (this is why the lesser G5 Bowls are before Christmas, the P5 after).

The 5 is a given. CCGs are losing value and interest rapidly. The B12 had to settle for $10M for the three games CBS bailed out on, whereas the prior ones were for $20M. That is a warning shot to all the P5 that their CCGs need to matter or else they are glorified exhibitions; tOSU even went to the playoff once as the B1G rep without going to the CCG! Playing for an automatic playoff berth would make all 5 CCGs must watch TV, especially with ending divisions and sending the best two. That means more value and money for all the P5 they don't have to share.

There is also the political side. To get the SEC to agree, the playoffs needs to have 3 at-large so the SEC can pretty much guarantee a 2nd school, ditto B1G most years.

The 5-1-2 will be pushed for hard by the American, possibly with some support from the MWC. But I don't think it'll happen, to rather if it does, it will require the G5 school be in the top 10. Only last year's UCF team managed that. But it's hard to see the P5 agreeing to hand over a slot of Notre Dame, Michigan, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Wisconsin, Florida State or UCLA to a G5 school. The P5 do not need any G5 votes to pass this, so 5-3 will win the day. But I can see a top 10 ranking rule that might have benefited UCF.

The access will still be there, and the lowest of the 11 P5 ranked schools will still wind up against the top G5 in the bogey prize game. It is more valuable than a G5 playoff. The 9th and 10th get the miss congeniality consolation bowl as usual. And there will still be a 7th Bowl grabbing up the 12th and 13th or 14th best P5 which is vying to get in the NY6.

The G5 playoff may happen. But I think it'll be for 2nd to 5th conference champions. I can't see the American signing on, and I can't see this G5 CG paying out more than the NY6 access Bowl. Nobody will want to host the G5 Championship game, although the first round playoffs would see a gaggle of pre-Christmas Bowls interested.
I don’t believe a g5 access bowl would make more money than a g5 playoff you saying this is your own opinion, and in my opinion I think a g5 playoff would make more money in the first year and way more money in the years to follow
So who’s opinion is closer to reality, yours or mine?
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(08-02-2019 01:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The 5-1 proposal is Mack Brown's alone. There are too many logistical problems. The Playoff Bowls have to be after Christmas. The reason has to do with why the Bowls exist, for tourism, and people are not likely to go to Bowls before Christmas and stay any length of time (this is why the lesser G5 Bowls are before Christmas, the P5 after).

The 5 is a given. CCGs are losing value and interest rapidly. The B12 had to settle for $10M for the three games CBS bailed out on, whereas the prior ones were for $20M. That is a warning shot to all the P5 that their CCGs need to matter or else they are glorified exhibitions; tOSU even went to the playoff once as the B1G rep without going to the CCG! Playing for an automatic playoff berth would make all 5 CCGs must watch TV, especially with ending divisions and sending the best two. That means more value and money for all the P5 they don't have to share.

There is also the political side. To get the SEC to agree, the playoffs needs to have 3 at-large so the SEC can pretty much guarantee a 2nd school, ditto B1G most years.

The 5-1-2 will be pushed for hard by the American, possibly with some support from the MWC. But I don't think it'll happen, to rather if it does, it will require the G5 school be in the top 10. Only last year's UCF team managed that. But it's hard to see the P5 agreeing to hand over a slot of Notre Dame, Michigan, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Wisconsin, Florida State or UCLA to a G5 school. The P5 do not need any G5 votes to pass this, so 5-3 will win the day. But I can see a top 10 ranking rule that might have benefited UCF.

The access will still be there, and the lowest of the 11 P5 ranked schools will still wind up against the top G5 in the bogey prize game. It is more valuable than a G5 playoff. The 9th and 10th get the miss congeniality consolation bowl as usual. And there will still be a 7th Bowl grabbing up the 12th and 13th or 14th best P5 which is vying to get in the NY6.

The G5 playoff may happen. But I think it'll be for 2nd to 5th conference champions. I can't see the American signing on, and I can't see this G5 CG paying out more than the NY6 access Bowl. Nobody will want to host the G5 Championship game, although the first round playoffs would see a gaggle of pre-Christmas Bowls interested.

That was always the dumbest part of the CFP. The Selection Committee literally told us on multiple occasions that what happened on the field simply didnt matter---OUR OPINION is more important. Thats just a terrible way to run a playoff. If what happens on the field doesnt matter---why have a playoff at all? We already had a system where we crowned our national champion based completely on opinion. A playoff that relies completly on opinion to determine its participants isnt really much different that the mythical poll driven national championships of the past. For a playoff to be real---the participants should be determined as a direct result of the action on the field as much as possible.
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(08-02-2019 01:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(08-02-2019 01:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The 5-1 proposal is Mack Brown's alone. There are too many logistical problems. The Playoff Bowls have to be after Christmas. The reason has to do with why the Bowls exist, for tourism, and people are not likely to go to Bowls before Christmas and stay any length of time (this is why the lesser G5 Bowls are before Christmas, the P5 after).

The 5 is a given. CCGs are losing value and interest rapidly. The B12 had to settle for $10M for the three games CBS bailed out on, whereas the prior ones were for $20M. That is a warning shot to all the P5 that their CCGs need to matter or else they are glorified exhibitions; tOSU even went to the playoff once as the B1G rep without going to the CCG! Playing for an automatic playoff berth would make all 5 CCGs must watch TV, especially with ending divisions and sending the best two. That means more value and money for all the P5 they don't have to share.

There is also the political side. To get the SEC to agree, the playoffs needs to have 3 at-large so the SEC can pretty much guarantee a 2nd school, ditto B1G most years.

The 5-1-2 will be pushed for hard by the American, possibly with some support from the MWC. But I don't think it'll happen, to rather if it does, it will require the G5 school be in the top 10. Only last year's UCF team managed that. But it's hard to see the P5 agreeing to hand over a slot of Notre Dame, Michigan, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Wisconsin, Florida State or UCLA to a G5 school. The P5 do not need any G5 votes to pass this, so 5-3 will win the day. But I can see a top 10 ranking rule that might have benefited UCF.

The access will still be there, and the lowest of the 11 P5 ranked schools will still wind up against the top G5 in the bogey prize game. It is more valuable than a G5 playoff. The 9th and 10th get the miss congeniality consolation bowl as usual. And there will still be a 7th Bowl grabbing up the 12th and 13th or 14th best P5 which is vying to get in the NY6.

The G5 playoff may happen. But I think it'll be for 2nd to 5th conference champions. I can't see the American signing on, and I can't see this G5 CG paying out more than the NY6 access Bowl. Nobody will want to host the G5 Championship game, although the first round playoffs would see a gaggle of pre-Christmas Bowls interested.

The ONLY way I think the G5 would ever sign-off on a G5 playoff is if the big boy playoff included a spot for the top ranked G5 champion.

Then they MIGHT agree but even then I think it would be a scuffle unless it was marketed as a football NIT and could get some P5's involved.

The G5 will never do it if it is a G5 only event. Its basically like committing suicide rather than fighting for survival. Your just setting the table for a split. If its a NIT environment where the G5 champs along with the best P5's not filling a CFP associated game/bowl--that would probably be fairly appealing. It just would be a slightly different spin on the expanded CFO bowl line up the ACC and Sunbelt supported when the CFP was in its early stages of development.
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(08-02-2019 01:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The ONLY way I think the G5 would ever sign-off on a G5 playoff is if the big boy playoff included a spot for the top ranked G5 champion.

Then they MIGHT agree but even then I think it would be a scuffle unless it was marketed as a football NIT and could get some P5's involved.

Bowl games would still be more appealing to everyone involved than a CFB NIT. As you said, there's no reason for the G5 champs to want it if it's a G5-only deal, and there's also no reason for a P5 team that narrowly missed a playoff spot to want to play in that NIT instead of a CFP bowl game.
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