These programs all averaged at least 14,000. Congrats to all of them

BTW, where is Michigan and Ohio State? Nebraska the furthest west program.

Maryland 14,009
Memphis 14,065
Virginia 14,087
Iowa State 14,099
Purdue 14,467
Michigan St 14,797
Indiana 15,206
Arkansas 15,278
Nebraska 15,341
Marquette 15,611
Creighton 15,980
Kansas 16,236
Louisville 16,601
Wisconsin 17,170
Tennessee 19,034
North Carolina 19,715
Kentucky 21,695
Syracuse 21,992

(08-01-2019 10:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  These programs all averaged at least 14,000. Congrats to all of them

BTW, where is Michigan and Ohio State? Nebraska the furthest west program.

Maryland 14,009
Memphis 14,065
Virginia 14,087
Iowa State 14,099
Purdue 14,467
Michigan St 14,797
Indiana 15,206
Arkansas 15,278
Nebraska 15,341
Marquette 15,611
Creighton 15,980
Kansas 16,236
Louisville 16,601
Wisconsin 17,170
Tennessee 19,034
North Carolina 19,715
Kentucky 21,695
Syracuse 21,992

Waiting for football season.

Seriously, not that those schools don’t have very good basketball programs, but fans view it as a distraction between football seasons, not as a main draw. It’s extremely difficult to just have gaudy attendance in both main sports every year. UM and OSU are packing in 105k+ every year in football.

Interesting fact: Creighton's arena and Nebraska's arena are just 59.3 miles apart.
The western edge of metro Omaha and the eastern edge of metro Lincoln are little more than 30 miles apart.
Yet in this small population state, if you added them both together they would average over 31,000.

Of course UNC, NCSU, and Duke together average 43,000 and the schools are separated by only 25 miles at most.
(Then again, the RTP has about 1,000,000 more people than Omaha+Lincoln.)
Anyway, who ever thought of Nebraska as a hotbed of college basketball fandom?

If Fred Hoiberg can ever win NU's 1st NCAA game... the state will lose its mind!!
As Wikipedia (gently) points out: "Nebraska has the unfortunate distinction of being the only major conference program to have never won a game in the NCAA Tournament, and did not even make the tournament until 1986."
The Husker's record at the NCAA-T is 0-7. 80 years of futility!

(08-01-2019 11:25 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote:  Interesting fact: Creighton's arena and Nebraska's arena are just 59.3 miles apart.
The western edge of metro Omaha and the eastern edge of metro Lincoln are little more than 30 miles apart.
Yet in this small population state, if you added them both together they would average over 31,000.

Of course UNC, NCSU, and Duke together average 43,000 and the schools are separated by only 25 miles at most.
(Then again, the RTP has about 1,000,000 more people than Omaha+Lincoln.)
Anyway, who ever thought of Nebraska as a hotbed of college basketball fandom?

If Fred Hoiberg can ever win NU's 1st NCAA game... the state will lose its mind!!
As Wikipedia (gently) points out: "Nebraska has the unfortunate distinction of being the only major conference program to have never won a game in the NCAA Tournament, and did not even make the tournament until 1986."
The Husker's record at the NCAA-T is 0-7. 80 years of futility!

That’s interesting. I didn’t realize they were so close.

The Cincy-Dayton area is pretty crazy too. Xavier (10,034) and Cincy (11,256) and only like 3 miles apart, and Dayton (12,957) is 45 miles away. Combo them together, and it’s 34k+. All those schools have consistent success to help though too. Nebraska is really strong despite the lack of postseason reps.

(08-01-2019 10:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  These programs all averaged at least 14,000. Congrats to all of them

BTW, where is Michigan and Ohio State? Nebraska the furthest west program.

Maryland 14,009
Memphis 14,065
Virginia 14,087
Iowa State 14,099
Purdue 14,467
Michigan St 14,797
Indiana 15,206
Arkansas 15,278
Nebraska 15,341
Marquette 15,611
Creighton 15,980
Kansas 16,236
Louisville 16,601
Wisconsin 17,170
Tennessee 19,034
North Carolina 19,715
Kentucky 21,695
Syracuse 21,992

Crisler Center (Michigan) only holds 12,707 and averaged 98% capacity in 2018-19

(08-01-2019 10:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  These programs all averaged at least 14,000. Congrats to all of them

BTW, where is Michigan and Ohio State? Nebraska the furthest west program.

Maryland 14,009
Memphis 14,065
Virginia 14,087
Iowa State 14,099
Purdue 14,467
Michigan St 14,797
Indiana 15,206
Arkansas 15,278
Nebraska 15,341
Marquette 15,611
Creighton 15,980
Kansas 16,236
Louisville 16,601
Wisconsin 17,170
Tennessee 19,034
North Carolina 19,715
Kentucky 21,695
Syracuse 21,992

For that matter, where is Texas A&M, Auburn, Missouri, Florida, Mississippi State, and Alabama?? Butler??

(08-01-2019 11:59 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 10:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  These programs all averaged at least 14,000. Congrats to all of them

BTW, where is Michigan and Ohio State? Nebraska the furthest west program.

Maryland 14,009
Memphis 14,065
Virginia 14,087
Iowa State 14,099
Purdue 14,467
Michigan St 14,797
Indiana 15,206
Arkansas 15,278
Nebraska 15,341
Marquette 15,611
Creighton 15,980
Kansas 16,236
Louisville 16,601
Wisconsin 17,170
Tennessee 19,034
North Carolina 19,715
Kentucky 21,695
Syracuse 21,992

Crisler Center (Michigan) only holds 12,707 and averaged 98% capacity in 2018-19

Lol, guess he didn't give that much thought. Sorry, Duke, you're not a "Big Boy" of college basketball either.

(08-02-2019 04:50 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 11:59 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 10:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  These programs all averaged at least 14,000. Congrats to all of them

BTW, where is Michigan and Ohio State? Nebraska the furthest west program.

Maryland 14,009
Memphis 14,065
Virginia 14,087
Iowa State 14,099
Purdue 14,467
Michigan St 14,797
Indiana 15,206
Arkansas 15,278
Nebraska 15,341
Marquette 15,611
Creighton 15,980
Kansas 16,236
Louisville 16,601
Wisconsin 17,170
Tennessee 19,034
North Carolina 19,715
Kentucky 21,695
Syracuse 21,992

Crisler Center (Michigan) only holds 12,707 and averaged 98% capacity in 2018-19

Lol, guess he didn't give that much thought. Sorry, Duke, you're not a "Big Boy" of college basketball either.

Duke is the noted exception of course

My bad I thought Crisler was bigger. Isn't it all about size with the B1G?

(08-02-2019 02:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 04:50 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 11:59 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 10:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  These programs all averaged at least 14,000. Congrats to all of them

BTW, where is Michigan and Ohio State? Nebraska the furthest west program.

Maryland 14,009
Memphis 14,065
Virginia 14,087
Iowa State 14,099
Purdue 14,467
Michigan St 14,797
Indiana 15,206
Arkansas 15,278
Nebraska 15,341
Marquette 15,611
Creighton 15,980
Kansas 16,236
Louisville 16,601
Wisconsin 17,170
Tennessee 19,034
North Carolina 19,715
Kentucky 21,695
Syracuse 21,992

Crisler Center (Michigan) only holds 12,707 and averaged 98% capacity in 2018-19

Lol, guess he didn't give that much thought. Sorry, Duke, you're not a "Big Boy" of college basketball either.

Duke is the noted exception of course

My bad I thought Crisler was bigger. Isn't it all about size with the B1G?

Lol, I don't know? Syracuse is the one with the huge arena. We like our basketball but she said size only matters in football. Syracuse is impressive though with filling that giant, ~21,000 per game is pretty awesome.

Orange!

(08-02-2019 02:31 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 02:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 04:50 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 11:59 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 10:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  These programs all averaged at least 14,000. Congrats to all of them

BTW, where is Michigan and Ohio State? Nebraska the furthest west program.

Maryland 14,009
Memphis 14,065
Virginia 14,087
Iowa State 14,099
Purdue 14,467
Michigan St 14,797
Indiana 15,206
Arkansas 15,278
Nebraska 15,341
Marquette 15,611
Creighton 15,980
Kansas 16,236
Louisville 16,601
Wisconsin 17,170
Tennessee 19,034
North Carolina 19,715
Kentucky 21,695
Syracuse 21,992

Crisler Center (Michigan) only holds 12,707 and averaged 98% capacity in 2018-19

Lol, guess he didn't give that much thought. Sorry, Duke, you're not a "Big Boy" of college basketball either.

Duke is the noted exception of course

My bad I thought Crisler was bigger. Isn't it all about size with the B1G?

Lol, I don't know? Syracuse is the one with the huge arena. We like our basketball but she said size only matters in football. Syracuse is impressive though with filling that giant, ~21,000 per game is pretty awesome.

Orange!

What was amazing is the 1989-90 season averaged close to 30,000 a game for the whole season. Cuse has been basically between 21-24K the last decade.

(08-02-2019 02:49 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 02:31 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 02:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 04:50 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 11:59 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  Crisler Center (Michigan) only holds 12,707 and averaged 98% capacity in 2018-19

Lol, guess he didn't give that much thought. Sorry, Duke, you're not a "Big Boy" of college basketball either.

Duke is the noted exception of course

My bad I thought Crisler was bigger. Isn't it all about size with the B1G?

Lol, I don't know? Syracuse is the one with the huge arena. We like our basketball but she said size only matters in football. Syracuse is impressive though with filling that giant, ~21,000 per game is pretty awesome.

Orange!

What was amazing is the 1989-90 season averaged close to 30,000 a game for the whole season. Cuse has been basically between 21-24K the last decade.

That 30,000 number off is insane. Kudos to Syracuse for drawing those kinds of numbers.

(08-02-2019 02:54 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 02:49 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 02:31 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 02:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 04:50 AM)cubucks Wrote:  Lol, guess he didn't give that much thought. Sorry, Duke, you're not a "Big Boy" of college basketball either.

Duke is the noted exception of course

My bad I thought Crisler was bigger. Isn't it all about size with the B1G?

Lol, I don't know? Syracuse is the one with the huge arena. We like our basketball but she said size only matters in football. Syracuse is impressive though with filling that giant, ~21,000 per game is pretty awesome.

Orange!

What was amazing is the 1989-90 season averaged close to 30,000 a game for the whole season. Cuse has been basically between 21-24K the last decade.

That 30,000 number off is insane. Kudos to Syracuse for drawing those kinds of numbers.

Lots of union jobs back then and a Top 5 team

(08-02-2019 02:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 04:50 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 11:59 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 10:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  These programs all averaged at least 14,000. Congrats to all of them

BTW, where is Michigan and Ohio State? Nebraska the furthest west program.

Maryland 14,009
Memphis 14,065
Virginia 14,087
Iowa State 14,099
Purdue 14,467
Michigan St 14,797
Indiana 15,206
Arkansas 15,278
Nebraska 15,341
Marquette 15,611
Creighton 15,980
Kansas 16,236
Louisville 16,601
Wisconsin 17,170
Tennessee 19,034
North Carolina 19,715
Kentucky 21,695
Syracuse 21,992

Crisler Center (Michigan) only holds 12,707 and averaged 98% capacity in 2018-19

Lol, guess he didn't give that much thought. Sorry, Duke, you're not a "Big Boy" of college basketball either.

Duke is the noted exception of course

My bad I thought Crisler was bigger. Isn't it all about size with the B1G?

No. Crisler's peak capacity was 13,751 from 2001-11 when they tore out the first seven rows from on each sideline to put in retractable bleachers w/o chairbacks. The 2010-12 renovation put seatbacks on one sideline which now has club access too.
They just use their intelligence to right-size their indoor facilities to maximize supply/demand.

(08-01-2019 10:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  These programs all averaged at least 14,000. Congrats to all of them

BTW, where is Michigan and Ohio State? Nebraska the furthest west program.

Maryland 14,009
Memphis 14,065
Virginia 14,087
Iowa State 14,099
Purdue 14,467
Michigan St 14,797
Indiana 15,206
Arkansas 15,278
Nebraska 15,341
Marquette 15,611
Creighton 15,980
Kansas 16,236
Louisville 16,601
Wisconsin 17,170
Tennessee 19,034
North Carolina 19,715
Kentucky 21,695
Syracuse 21,992

Well, you did your cut off to exclude Ohio State . It't the next program behind Maryland.

10 of the top 25 are B1G schools

(08-01-2019 11:22 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 10:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  These programs all averaged at least 14,000. Congrats to all of them

BTW, where is Michigan and Ohio State? Nebraska the furthest west program.

Maryland 14,009
Memphis 14,065
Virginia 14,087
Iowa State 14,099
Purdue 14,467
Michigan St 14,797
Indiana 15,206
Arkansas 15,278
Nebraska 15,341
Marquette 15,611
Creighton 15,980
Kansas 16,236
Louisville 16,601
Wisconsin 17,170
Tennessee 19,034
North Carolina 19,715
Kentucky 21,695
Syracuse 21,992

Waiting for football season.

Seriously, not that those schools don’t have very good basketball programs, but fans view it as a distraction between football seasons, not as a main draw. It’s extremely difficult to just have gaudy attendance in both main sports every year. UM and OSU are packing in 105k+ every year in football.

The 14,000 cutoff was a bit arbitrary. Michigan and Ohio State were in the top 25 of NCAA basketball attendance last season (along with Wisconsin, Nebraska, Indiana, Michigan State, Iowa and Illinois from the Big Ten). Generally speaking, the “football schools” of the Big Ten actually have much stronger basketball fan bases year-over-year than the football schools from the other P5 conferences, so I’m not sure why Michigan and Ohio State and Michigan were called out. The Big Ten (not the ACC) has led the nation in average basketball attendance every year for the past several decades.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketba...ndance.pdf

FWIW, I personally can’t stand the delineation between “football schools” and “basketball schools”. Strong athletic departments should be able to cultivate strong fan bases in both sports - it’s not as if though strength in football should be taking away strength and fan mindshare in basketball or vice versa. This is like arguing a Boston sports fan can’t handle juggling the Patriots, Red Sox, Celtics and Bruins, which clearly isn’t true. *All* of those teams are hugely popular in their region (and the same goes for other top pro sports fan cities like Chicago and Philly). Sports fans have a lot of room for multiple loyalties if you give them something to cheer for.

I wanted to shout out to the Top 5 schools in increases in attendance. All are considered national programs in hoops. Memphis had floundered under Pastner...glad to see them back up where they were 10 years ago.

1. Memphis 14,065 6,225 7,840
2. Marquette 15,611 12,323 3,288
3. Cincinnati 11,256 8,081 3,175
4. Tennessee 19,034 16,210 2,824
5. Pittsburgh 6,749 4,117 2,632

(08-02-2019 07:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I wanted to shout out to the Top 5 schools in increases in attendance. All are considered national programs in hoops. Memphis had floundered under Pastner...glad to see them back up where they were 10 years ago.

1. Memphis 14,065 6,225 7,840
2. Marquette 15,611 12,323 3,288
3. Cincinnati 11,256 8,081 3,175
4. Tennessee 19,034 16,210 2,824
5. Pittsburgh 6,749 4,117 2,632

The noteworthy thing (for me) regarding this quintet: I have relatives who have attended or are attending four of the five. And I once loosely covered as a part-time sports journalist (for Athlon Sports) the fifth.

Thanks for posting TMark.

(08-02-2019 07:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I wanted to shout out to the Top 5 schools in increases in attendance. All are considered national programs in hoops. Memphis had floundered under Pastner...glad to see them back up where they were 10 years ago.

1. Memphis 14,065 6,225 7,840
2. Marquette 15,611 12,323 3,288
3. Cincinnati 11,256 8,081 3,175
4. Tennessee 19,034 16,210 2,824
5. Pittsburgh 6,749 4,117 2,632

Memphis declined under Pastner, but they hit bottom in Tubby Smith's two seasons.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co...story.html

Also note that for the 2017-18 season, Cincinnati played home games across the river and state lines at Northern Kentucky's BB&T Arena

(08-02-2019 07:43 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 07:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I wanted to shout out to the Top 5 schools in increases in attendance. All are considered national programs in hoops. Memphis had floundered under Pastner...glad to see them back up where they were 10 years ago.

1. Memphis 14,065 6,225 7,840
2. Marquette 15,611 12,323 3,288
3. Cincinnati 11,256 8,081 3,175
4. Tennessee 19,034 16,210 2,824
5. Pittsburgh 6,749 4,117 2,632

Memphis declined under Pastner, but they hit bottom in Tubby Smith's two seasons.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co...story.html

Also note that for the 2017-18 season, Cincinnati played home games across the river and state lines at Northern Kentucky's BB&T Arena

True...but it was worth the wait. The redo on the arena is magnificant.

(08-01-2019 10:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  These programs all averaged at least 14,000. Congrats to all of them

BTW, where is Michigan and Ohio State? Nebraska the furthest west program.

Glancing at NCAA attendance stats, OSU is a bandwagon school in BBall ... over 14K in 2010 (34-3), over 16K in '12/13 and '13/14, under 12.4K in '15/16 and '16/17, just shy of 13.5K in '17/18 (buoyed by over 18.7K in its two Feb '18 home games).

Seems like if there doesn't look to be a shot at the Big Ten title on the line or a big name star or two, some people might go to the Blue Jackets instead, or catch the game on BTN.