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RE: What happened during the Div 1-A / 1-AA (FBS/FCS) split in 1978?
(07-31-2019 03:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I always refer to it as 1981 because the vote was in late 1981 but it in no way, shape, nor form was related to 1978's creation of I-A/I-AA.

1981 was NCAA crassness at its prime. The powers in Shawnee Mission wanted OU and UGA to drop the anti-trust lawsuit, they wanted the CFA to quit trying to do its own TV.

The solution they came up with was change the "or" in the I-A criteria between sport sponsorship and attendance criteria to an "and" to eliminate a bunch of schools.

The NCAA tried to sugar coat making the following promises. There would be more post-season opportunities, there would be a minimum amount of TV coverage, and there would be no changes that would interfere with schools continuing to play each other if they ended up on different sides of the split.

Horse manure all around.
In short order post-season was deregulated in I-A and every FBS league ended up having more post-season opportunities than any FCS.
The TV deal couldn't be delivered because the NCAA lost the lawsuits and the TV contract.
Before the decade ended the 6-5 bowl eligibility rule was adopted and initially no wins over I-AA would count then it was only one win every four years.

That final change broke the camels back and spurred a dash of schools rushing to I-A. In short order, Akron, LaTech, AState and Nevada were all in or back in I-A and it didn't help when schools regularly playing them said they would no longer play because the bowl eligibility rules.

The schools forced into I-AA got screwed 10 ways to Sunday as the NCAA didn't deliver on the promises and failed the primary missing on keeping the power school using the NCAA to negotiate the TV deal.

App State was at the center of the suit Georgia & Oklahoma brought against the NCAA. The NCAA contract called for certain number of exposures for all conferences,
The same weekend nationally ranked Georgia & South Carolina were playing ABC showed App vs The Citadel. I still have a copy of that game.
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(07-31-2019 04:29 PM)2Buck Wrote:  [Image: giphy.gif]

Thursday Night football was one of the "perks" created to give 1-AA schools national exposure. Think it lasted less than half that first year.
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(08-02-2019 11:08 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The conferences that were forced to reclassify to IAA could have done so when 1AA was first created. They didnt want to so the majority of the membership sprang these arbitrary rules in hopes of kicking teams out of the club

Exactly!
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(08-03-2019 10:48 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(08-02-2019 11:08 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The conferences that were forced to reclassify to IAA could have done so when 1AA was first created. They didnt want to so the majority of the membership sprang these arbitrary rules in hopes of kicking teams out of the club

Exactly!



But in terms, it split some history with schools from like SoCon and MVC that had close to 100 years of playing football together. It also was the start of fans not going to the games at lower levels because the big boys tell them that they are worthless. The P5 for years are trying to fight the change in college sports. The change is that there are G5 schools are better than some P5 schools in support. I just do not see why ACC gets a tv contract while the the AAC and MWC schools get better ratings. But we also seen how SoCon teams beat P5 schools as well. Utah got the Golden Ticket to join and TCU and Louisville got invited back to the club. Appalachian State got back into FBS.
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"With the Court ruling taking TV rights away from the NCAA this forced reclassification seemed dumb and really hurt some programs for no reason. NMSU had the MVC fall apart on them which set the course for their past 30+ years of conference realignment hell. Had the MVC not been forced down schools like NMSU would be in a much better spot."

Having followed NMSU over all these many years, I have to say I don't think the reclassification hurt NMSU any more than the whole change in the college football landscape hurt all G5 level programs.

With better funding over the years, New Mexico State could have ended up in a slightly better place.

NMSU has never been able to generate (for many reasons) enough revenue to field both a successful D1 football and D1 basketball program at the same time. The choice has historically been to fund football at a level adequate enough to survive and concentrate more on basketball. That strategy better matched the financial resources available. The approach meant that NMSU never competed at the highest level of their football affiliation, and when conference changes were necessitated (Border-to-Independent-to-MVC-to-PCAA/BW-to-Sun Belt-to-WAC-to-Sun Belt-to Independent) the school had to adjust to the new competition and funding realities. But always with an eye toward keeping basketball at a high level. NMSU has never been very attractive to a conference because of its football. Only because of its basketball (MVC) or conference desperation (PCAA, Sun Belt and WAC).

As the importance of football to the NCAA TV landscape rose and football expenses escalated everywhere NMSU found itself less and less desirable with fewer options (even as it found ways to somewhat increase its football funding) and ultimately got left out in the last round of changes.

The future is still pretty murky for football, but there is still hope. On a short-term basis independence has been better than advertised at least.
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(08-03-2019 10:37 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-31-2019 03:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I always refer to it as 1981 because the vote was in late 1981 but it in no way, shape, nor form was related to 1978's creation of I-A/I-AA.

1981 was NCAA crassness at its prime. The powers in Shawnee Mission wanted OU and UGA to drop the anti-trust lawsuit, they wanted the CFA to quit trying to do its own TV.

The solution they came up with was change the "or" in the I-A criteria between sport sponsorship and attendance criteria to an "and" to eliminate a bunch of schools.

The NCAA tried to sugar coat making the following promises. There would be more post-season opportunities, there would be a minimum amount of TV coverage, and there would be no changes that would interfere with schools continuing to play each other if they ended up on different sides of the split.

Horse manure all around.
In short order post-season was deregulated in I-A and every FBS league ended up having more post-season opportunities than any FCS.
The TV deal couldn't be delivered because the NCAA lost the lawsuits and the TV contract.
Before the decade ended the 6-5 bowl eligibility rule was adopted and initially no wins over I-AA would count then it was only one win every four years.

That final change broke the camels back and spurred a dash of schools rushing to I-A. In short order, Akron, LaTech, AState and Nevada were all in or back in I-A and it didn't help when schools regularly playing them said they would no longer play because the bowl eligibility rules.

The schools forced into I-AA got screwed 10 ways to Sunday as the NCAA didn't deliver on the promises and failed the primary missing on keeping the power school using the NCAA to negotiate the TV deal.

App State was at the center of the suit Georgia & Oklahoma brought against the NCAA. The NCAA contract called for certain number of exposures for all conferences,
The same weekend nationally ranked Georgia & South Carolina were playing ABC showed App vs The Citadel. I still have a copy of that game.

I always enjoy reading and usually learn something when arkstfan and AppManDG talk the upheavals of '78 to '84. You two should get together and write a book about it.
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(08-03-2019 10:37 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-31-2019 03:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I always refer to it as 1981 because the vote was in late 1981 but it in no way, shape, nor form was related to 1978's creation of I-A/I-AA.

1981 was NCAA crassness at its prime. The powers in Shawnee Mission wanted OU and UGA to drop the anti-trust lawsuit, they wanted the CFA to quit trying to do its own TV.

The solution they came up with was change the "or" in the I-A criteria between sport sponsorship and attendance criteria to an "and" to eliminate a bunch of schools.

The NCAA tried to sugar coat making the following promises. There would be more post-season opportunities, there would be a minimum amount of TV coverage, and there would be no changes that would interfere with schools continuing to play each other if they ended up on different sides of the split.

Horse manure all around.
In short order post-season was deregulated in I-A and every FBS league ended up having more post-season opportunities than any FCS.
The TV deal couldn't be delivered because the NCAA lost the lawsuits and the TV contract.
Before the decade ended the 6-5 bowl eligibility rule was adopted and initially no wins over I-AA would count then it was only one win every four years.

That final change broke the camels back and spurred a dash of schools rushing to I-A. In short order, Akron, LaTech, AState and Nevada were all in or back in I-A and it didn't help when schools regularly playing them said they would no longer play because the bowl eligibility rules.

The schools forced into I-AA got screwed 10 ways to Sunday as the NCAA didn't deliver on the promises and failed the primary missing on keeping the power school using the NCAA to negotiate the TV deal.

App State was at the center of the suit Georgia & Oklahoma brought against the NCAA. The NCAA contract called for certain number of exposures for all conferences,
The same weekend nationally ranked Georgia & South Carolina were playing ABC showed App vs The Citadel. I still have a copy of that game.

Odds are one of UGA and South Carolina had already hit their maximum for TV appearances.

That was a point of contention the NCAA had no intention of fixing at the time.
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(08-08-2019 10:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(08-03-2019 10:37 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-31-2019 03:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I always refer to it as 1981 because the vote was in late 1981 but it in no way, shape, nor form was related to 1978's creation of I-A/I-AA.

1981 was NCAA crassness at its prime. The powers in Shawnee Mission wanted OU and UGA to drop the anti-trust lawsuit, they wanted the CFA to quit trying to do its own TV.

The solution they came up with was change the "or" in the I-A criteria between sport sponsorship and attendance criteria to an "and" to eliminate a bunch of schools.

The NCAA tried to sugar coat making the following promises. There would be more post-season opportunities, there would be a minimum amount of TV coverage, and there would be no changes that would interfere with schools continuing to play each other if they ended up on different sides of the split.

Horse manure all around.
In short order post-season was deregulated in I-A and every FBS league ended up having more post-season opportunities than any FCS.
The TV deal couldn't be delivered because the NCAA lost the lawsuits and the TV contract.
Before the decade ended the 6-5 bowl eligibility rule was adopted and initially no wins over I-AA would count then it was only one win every four years.

That final change broke the camels back and spurred a dash of schools rushing to I-A. In short order, Akron, LaTech, AState and Nevada were all in or back in I-A and it didn't help when schools regularly playing them said they would no longer play because the bowl eligibility rules.

The schools forced into I-AA got screwed 10 ways to Sunday as the NCAA didn't deliver on the promises and failed the primary missing on keeping the power school using the NCAA to negotiate the TV deal.

App State was at the center of the suit Georgia & Oklahoma brought against the NCAA. The NCAA contract called for certain number of exposures for all conferences,
The same weekend nationally ranked Georgia & South Carolina were playing ABC showed App vs The Citadel. I still have a copy of that game.

Odds are one of UGA and South Carolina had already hit their maximum for TV appearances.

That was a point of contention the NCAA had no intention of fixing at the time.

That was probably the case, but it was late October and CBS still owed the SoCon an exposure. Perfect Storm.
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(08-08-2019 09:01 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  
(08-03-2019 10:37 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(07-31-2019 03:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I always refer to it as 1981 because the vote was in late 1981 but it in no way, shape, nor form was related to 1978's creation of I-A/I-AA.

1981 was NCAA crassness at its prime. The powers in Shawnee Mission wanted OU and UGA to drop the anti-trust lawsuit, they wanted the CFA to quit trying to do its own TV.

The solution they came up with was change the "or" in the I-A criteria between sport sponsorship and attendance criteria to an "and" to eliminate a bunch of schools.

The NCAA tried to sugar coat making the following promises. There would be more post-season opportunities, there would be a minimum amount of TV coverage, and there would be no changes that would interfere with schools continuing to play each other if they ended up on different sides of the split.

Horse manure all around.
In short order post-season was deregulated in I-A and every FBS league ended up having more post-season opportunities than any FCS.
The TV deal couldn't be delivered because the NCAA lost the lawsuits and the TV contract.
Before the decade ended the 6-5 bowl eligibility rule was adopted and initially no wins over I-AA would count then it was only one win every four years.

That final change broke the camels back and spurred a dash of schools rushing to I-A. In short order, Akron, LaTech, AState and Nevada were all in or back in I-A and it didn't help when schools regularly playing them said they would no longer play because the bowl eligibility rules.

The schools forced into I-AA got screwed 10 ways to Sunday as the NCAA didn't deliver on the promises and failed the primary missing on keeping the power school using the NCAA to negotiate the TV deal.

App State was at the center of the suit Georgia & Oklahoma brought against the NCAA. The NCAA contract called for certain number of exposures for all conferences,
The same weekend nationally ranked Georgia & South Carolina were playing ABC showed App vs The Citadel. I still have a copy of that game.

I always enjoy reading and usually learn something when arkstfan and AppManDG talk the upheavals of '78 to '84. You two should get together and write a book about it.

Ha Ha.. Thanks. I've been a fan of arkstfan a long time. Way back to the old CNNSI Boards.
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(08-04-2019 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-03-2019 10:48 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(08-02-2019 11:08 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The conferences that were forced to reclassify to IAA could have done so when 1AA was first created. They didnt want to so the majority of the membership sprang these arbitrary rules in hopes of kicking teams out of the club

Exactly!



But in terms, it split some history with schools from like SoCon and MVC that had close to 100 years of playing football together. It also was the start of fans not going to the games at lower levels because the big boys tell them that they are worthless. The P5 for years are trying to fight the change in college sports. The change is that there are G5 schools are better than some P5 schools in support. I just do not see why ACC gets a tv contract while the the AAC and MWC schools get better ratings. But we also seen how SoCon teams beat P5 schools as well. Utah got the Golden Ticket to join and TCU and Louisville got invited back to the club. Appalachian State got back into FBS.

I didn't like being kicked down at all, but In 1982 it was clear we had no business (based purely on budgets) in the same classification as the Power Conferences of the day. What I didn't like was the huge difference in requirements and that really kicked into high gear when thanks in part to the Dayton Rule s ton of D-II schools came piling into I-AA. That severely diluted the quality of the division and made I-AA look more like D-II. The NCAA might have made the sub-classification thing work if I-AA had actual minimum stadium size, attendance and scholarship requirements. Had the separations been along the lines of 45K seats, 25K attendance & 85 schollies for I-A, 20K seats, 15K attendance and 75 schollies for I-AA, it may have still been going today.
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I have to agree that the bar between big time and small time seems somewhat arbitrarily placed. I like the idea that they ought to have created 3 tiers back in 1978-1982. What were then the Big 6 leagues and the big time independents fall in one category and then 2 lower tiers. I’m not exactly where the best dividing line would be there.

What I think we can all agree on is that it had catastrophic effects on the Southland and MVC and several independents. I can think of at least 5 that gave up on football entirely for at least a spell—UTA, Lamar, Wich St, West Texas St, and Villanova.
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(08-08-2019 07:57 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(08-04-2019 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-03-2019 10:48 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(08-02-2019 11:08 AM)solohawks Wrote:  The conferences that were forced to reclassify to IAA could have done so when 1AA was first created. They didnt want to so the majority of the membership sprang these arbitrary rules in hopes of kicking teams out of the club

Exactly!



But in terms, it split some history with schools from like SoCon and MVC that had close to 100 years of playing football together. It also was the start of fans not going to the games at lower levels because the big boys tell them that they are worthless. The P5 for years are trying to fight the change in college sports. The change is that there are G5 schools are better than some P5 schools in support. I just do not see why ACC gets a tv contract while the the AAC and MWC schools get better ratings. But we also seen how SoCon teams beat P5 schools as well. Utah got the Golden Ticket to join and TCU and Louisville got invited back to the club. Appalachian State got back into FBS.

I didn't like being kicked down at all, but In 1982 it was clear we had no business (based purely on budgets) in the same classification as the Power Conferences of the day. What I didn't like was the huge difference in requirements and that really kicked into high gear when thanks in part to the Dayton Rule s ton of D-II schools came piling into I-AA. That severely diluted the quality of the division and made I-AA look more like D-II. The NCAA might have made the sub-classification thing work if I-AA had actual minimum stadium size, attendance and scholarship requirements. Had the separations been along the lines of 45K seats, 25K attendance & 85 schollies for I-A, 20K seats, 15K attendance and 75 schollies for I-AA, it may have still been going today.

This is an excellent, understated point. 1AA became a dumping ground for non scholarship and underfunded football programs who didnt want to lose D1 status is basketball instead of a legitimate "middle class" division.

If you are willing to fund between the full 85 scholarships and some other key staffing positions you should have been able to pursue 1A. With the rise of TV money, I would be hesitant to have any funding requirement
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I think the failure to get I-AAA approved was a mistake. I-AAA was proposed as non-scholarship football or in the alternative setting a scholarship cap equal to Division II.

Some of the I-AA leagues opposed it because they figured their more financially troubled members would opt for it.

A good friend who goes way back in the business and I were sharing a drink a bit back and he said that if I-AAA had been approved at the Division II scholarship cap of 36 that I-AA would have been bled dry of members and eventually the 30 or so still willing to piss in the wind and play high scholarship football would have been incorporated into I-A.

Maybe so but I think the branding of I-AA would have been helped by peeling off the schools playing no or low scholarship.
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THIS! Has to be one of the most, if not THEE MOST, interesting threads I’ve ever read on a college sports board/forum!

Wow! Thank you everyone who has contributed! FASCINATING!!! 04-cheers
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What I find interesting about this thread after reading every post in the 4 pages worth, is, the question keeps coming up about ‘what will happen next?’. But no one really knows. And really, aren’t we at the same general place we’ve been at since 1978 - and the decades leading up to it, really...meaning, there are still a lot of ideas and concrete speculation what will “happen next”, but, as we know now, whatever it manifests into, will generally be alright for everyone when you realize those who thought they were shut down decades ago, rebounded and are FBS again (or still).

The future is STILL uncertain for every fbs conference to an extent. More for the G5, of course. But the MAC and it’s FIGHT to remain in existence in the top tier of football has to give hope and faith to all G5ers and those who want to move up to FBS from FCS.

The difference now, compared to say the beginning of the TV contract explosion (Oklahoma-Georgia case), is, the linear tv model is (at least appears to be) starting on the downhill side of its peak. Maybe it isn’t that, and rather a high plateau slightly lower than the best tv years, but, now we have the internet and the youth’s preferred medium to use over linear tv. Which makes things interesting. The MWC is currently feeling out that dichotomy as we speak...MWC isn’t quite AAC, but not CUSA/MAC/Sunbelt, either. So, MWC wasn’t as ready (lack of better word) to strike a solid long term deal like AAC just did. I’m not talking dollar amount as “solid”, I’m talking the solid definition of the contrac AAC got: ESPN heavy with a lot of ESPN+ in ALL sports of AAC....no. MWC is stuck with the late time zones and the G5 netherworld somewhere between AAC and MAC/CUSA/Belt...so...me thinks MW Commish Thompson is wise in making whatever tv/internet combo we have as a shorter, 6-yearish-long contract.

I’m kind of drifting, but, I think the road will be bumpy, yet overall, at least a little better for all with a touch of bittersweetness in the years to come. Hopefully sweetness includes a lump of playoff expansion sugar, we shall see...
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(08-11-2019 01:59 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  What I find interesting about this thread after reading every post in the 4 pages worth, is, the question keeps coming up about ‘what will happen next?’. But no one really knows. And really, aren’t we at the same general place we’ve been at since 1978 - and the decades leading up to it, really...meaning, there are still a lot of ideas and concrete speculation what will “happen next”, but, as we know now, whatever it manifests into, will generally be alright for everyone when you realize those who thought they were shut down decades ago, rebounded and are FBS again (or still).

The future is STILL uncertain for every fbs conference to an extent. More for the G5, of course. But the MAC and it’s FIGHT to remain in existence in the top tier of football has to give hope and faith to all G5ers and those who want to move up to FBS from FCS.

The difference now, compared to say the beginning of the TV contract explosion (Oklahoma-Georgia case), is, the linear tv model is (at least appears to be) starting on the downhill side of its peak. Maybe it isn’t that, and rather a high plateau slightly lower than the best tv years, but, now we have the internet and the youth’s preferred medium to use over linear tv. Which makes things interesting. The MWC is currently feeling out that dichotomy as we speak...MWC isn’t quite AAC, but not CUSA/MAC/Sunbelt, either. So, MWC wasn’t as ready (lack of better word) to strike a solid long term deal like AAC just did. I’m not talking dollar amount as “solid”, I’m talking the solid definition of the contrac AAC got: ESPN heavy with a lot of ESPN+ in ALL sports of AAC....no. MWC is stuck with the late time zones and the G5 netherworld somewhere between AAC and MAC/CUSA/Belt...so...me thinks MW Commish Thompson is wise in making whatever tv/internet combo we have as a shorter, 6-yearish-long contract.

I’m kind of drifting, but, I think the road will be bumpy, yet overall, at least a little better for all with a touch of bittersweetness in the years to come. Hopefully sweetness includes a lump of playoff expansion sugar, we shall see...

The difference between then and now is there isn't much money at stake to drive a split.

TV money? That's on a conference basis and how you deal with it in your conference is a conference issue. What the MAC or MWC is doing has no influence on the Pac-12 or Big 10 TV deals.

CFP? The P5 set the distribution to G5 and others, so it's unlikely its so much they aren't comfortable with it.

Hoops tournament is the big money pile but the real money isn't what is going to the MEAC and NEC but what goes into NCAA but the P5 seems to like it. After all a couple of the lawsuits (full cost and concussion) where P5 leagues were named as defendants, the NCAA paid all of the settlements.
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A new split seems like it would be too big a headache to justify the cost
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RE: What happened during the Div 1-A / 1-AA (FBS/FCS) split in 1978?
1982 certainly created some weird situations. As I recall reading on another thread the MAC even tentatively cited out EMU so that 5 of 9 members would meet the new qualifications.
08-12-2019 01:27 PM
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RE: What happened during the Div 1-A / 1-AA (FBS/FCS) split in 1978?
(08-11-2019 01:59 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  What I find interesting about this thread after reading every post in the 4 pages worth, is, the question keeps coming up about ‘what will happen next?’. But no one really knows. And really, aren’t we at the same general place we’ve been at since 1978 - and the decades leading up to it, really...meaning, there are still a lot of ideas and concrete speculation what will “happen next”, but, as we know now, whatever it manifests into, will generally be alright for everyone when you realize those who thought they were shut down decades ago, rebounded and are FBS again (or still).

The future is STILL uncertain for every fbs conference to an extent. More for the G5, of course. But the MAC and it’s FIGHT to remain in existence in the top tier of football has to give hope and faith to all G5ers and those who want to move up to FBS from FCS.

The difference now, compared to say the beginning of the TV contract explosion (Oklahoma-Georgia case), is, the linear tv model is (at least appears to be) starting on the downhill side of its peak. Maybe it isn’t that, and rather a high plateau slightly lower than the best tv years, but, now we have the internet and the youth’s preferred medium to use over linear tv. Which makes things interesting. The MWC is currently feeling out that dichotomy as we speak...MWC isn’t quite AAC, but not CUSA/MAC/Sunbelt, either. So, MWC wasn’t as ready (lack of better word) to strike a solid long term deal like AAC just did. I’m not talking dollar amount as “solid”, I’m talking the solid definition of the contrac AAC got: ESPN heavy with a lot of ESPN+ in ALL sports of AAC....no. MWC is stuck with the late time zones and the G5 netherworld somewhere between AAC and MAC/CUSA/Belt...so...me thinks MW Commish Thompson is wise in making whatever tv/internet combo we have as a shorter, 6-yearish-long contract.

I’m kind of drifting, but, I think the road will be bumpy, yet overall, at least a little better for all with a touch of bittersweetness in the years to come. Hopefully sweetness includes a lump of playoff expansion sugar, we shall see...

In many ways the current situation eerily resembles some of what was going on in the late 70's. The TV part isn't as big a deal nowadays, but the big boys desire to distance themselves from the rest of the pack is still very real.
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RE: What happened during the Div 1-A / 1-AA (FBS/FCS) split in 1978?
(08-12-2019 07:03 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  In many ways the current situation eerily resembles some of what was going on in the late 70's. The TV part isn't as big a deal nowadays, but the big boys desire to distance themselves from the rest of the pack is still very real.

I don't think it really does. IMO, the big boys don't have much, if any, desire to distance themselves. There was a brief concern about that at the time the CFP was founded seven+ years ago, but the "autonomy" status changed that.

Bottom line is that for scheduling and competitive reasons, the P5 likes having the G5 around in the same FBS division, and right where it is, as a second-tier of that division. The P5 just didn't want the G5 to be able to block P5 initiatives in the NCAA councils, and autonomy resolved that. So there's no desire to break off and form a P5-only division.
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