(07-30-2019 08:48 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:10 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 07:27 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:50 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 09:00 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Why would the ACC necessarily add schools? Especially if ND doesn't join in full?

Indeed, what one school could the ACC add that would substantially increase the likelihood of ND "jumping on board"? I'm not coming up with a possibility.

Perhaps Navy, as a football affiliate? Otherwise, um... USC or Stanford?

Even better, all three!

I know this is a joke, but in another discussion from a while ago on the SEC board, I looked at the numbers, and an ACC western expansion would actually be their best move:

While every conference would benefit from Texas/OK, the ACC could also benefit from UCLA, USC, Washington, Oregon, and Kansas.

Logistically for the Olympic sports, that would be horrible for travel, but in football all of a sudden you have USC vs. Clemson/FSU, and in basketball you get Kansas vs. Duke, UCLA vs. UNC. Would create huge matchups.

Again, I know that the original post was a joke, but there is some merit to having a "coastal" conference

When the information came out about the UCLA booster wanting the Bruins to join the ACC, talks had already taken place and there was interest on both sides.

(07-31-2019 07:16 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:48 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:10 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 07:27 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:50 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Indeed, what one school could the ACC add that would substantially increase the likelihood of ND "jumping on board"? I'm not coming up with a possibility.

Perhaps Navy, as a football affiliate? Otherwise, um... USC or Stanford?

Even better, all three!

I know this is a joke, but in another discussion from a while ago on the SEC board, I looked at the numbers, and an ACC western expansion would actually be their best move:

While every conference would benefit from Texas/OK, the ACC could also benefit from UCLA, USC, Washington, Oregon, and Kansas.

Logistically for the Olympic sports, that would be horrible for travel, but in football all of a sudden you have USC vs. Clemson/FSU, and in basketball you get Kansas vs. Duke, UCLA vs. UNC. Would create huge matchups.

Again, I know that the original post was a joke, but there is some merit to having a "coastal" conference

When the information came out about the UCLA booster wanting the Bruins to join the ACC, talks had already taken place and there was interest on both sides.

Source? Because I find it quite difficult to believe that UCLA was interested in joining a conference on the other side of the continent.

(07-31-2019 07:21 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 07:16 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:48 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:10 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 07:27 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Perhaps Navy, as a football affiliate? Otherwise, um... USC or Stanford?

Even better, all three!

I know this is a joke, but in another discussion from a while ago on the SEC board, I looked at the numbers, and an ACC western expansion would actually be their best move:

While every conference would benefit from Texas/OK, the ACC could also benefit from UCLA, USC, Washington, Oregon, and Kansas.

Logistically for the Olympic sports, that would be horrible for travel, but in football all of a sudden you have USC vs. Clemson/FSU, and in basketball you get Kansas vs. Duke, UCLA vs. UNC. Would create huge matchups.

Again, I know that the original post was a joke, but there is some merit to having a "coastal" conference

When the information came out about the UCLA booster wanting the Bruins to join the ACC, talks had already taken place and there was interest on both sides.

Source? Because I find it quite difficult to believe that UCLA was interested in joining a conference on the other side of the continent.

The folks that run the 24/7 site for Carolina. I'll see if I can find the article.

(07-30-2019 08:48 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:10 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 07:27 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:50 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 09:00 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Why would the ACC necessarily add schools? Especially if ND doesn't join in full?

Indeed, what one school could the ACC add that would substantially increase the likelihood of ND "jumping on board"? I'm not coming up with a possibility.

Perhaps Navy, as a football affiliate? Otherwise, um... USC or Stanford?

Even better, all three!

I know this is a joke, but in another discussion from a while ago on the SEC board, I looked at the numbers, and an ACC western expansion would actually be their best move:

While every conference would benefit from Texas/OK, the ACC could also benefit from UCLA, USC, Washington, Oregon, and Kansas.

Logistically for the Olympic sports, that would be horrible for travel, but in football all of a sudden you have USC vs. Clemson/FSU, and in basketball you get Kansas vs. Duke, UCLA vs. UNC. Would create huge matchups.

Again, I know that the original post was a joke, but there is some merit to having a "coastal" conference

Not if they were in the same conference. If the best football or basketball teams were suddenly merged into the same conference, half of them, by definition, would be below average -- at least when compared with their new conference mates. The conference as a whole might be strengthened, and it might be stronger than other conferences, but some hapless members would gravitate toward the bottom and relative obscurity. There's a pecking order in every henhouse no matter how many hens there are or how dominant they may have been in a different henhouse.

It's much better to see rare and epic matchups in bowl games and in the Big Dance. That's where arguments about who's best are determined.

(07-30-2019 07:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:03 AM)texoma Wrote:  You have said before that OSU and Tech have no shot at being dragged along by OU or UT and I have pointed out to you before in the fastforward to 2025 thread, that the PAC or SEC would take them, if Texas was part of the deal.

I am not trying to dog you, just pointing out some things that are not accurate.

You can't say that unless you are maybe the Chancellor of Alabama or USC, and maybe not even then.

Personally, I think the SEC would take Oklahoma even if OK State had to come along, and they would surely take Texas even if TT had to come along. I think Oklahoma and Texas are each so valuable that it is basically worth giving away another slot to have either one of them.

But that's just my opinion, and I don't know if it's accurate or not.

I was responding to Stugray2 and referring to my post in the other thread. In it, I preface my comment with "IMO" the PAC or SEC would take OSU or Tech if Texas was included.

Just my opinion like yours, except I believe mine is accurate or I would not have posted it.

Stillwater

(07-31-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Stillwater

So Bedlam is even years in Stillwater, odd years in Norman?

Surely that is just FB Badlam. There's also BBall Bedlam, Wrestling Bedlam, and etc.

(08-01-2019 07:59 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Stillwater

So Bedlam is even years in Stillwater, odd years in Norman?

Surely that is just FB Badlam. There's also BBall Bedlam, Wrestling Bedlam, and etc.

OU plays OSU in Stillwater this year, an odd numbered year.

But yeah, regardless of conference, OU will be in Norman in 2026.

(08-01-2019 10:23 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 07:59 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Stillwater

So Bedlam is even years in Stillwater, odd years in Norman?

Surely that is just FB Badlam. There's also BBall Bedlam, Wrestling Bedlam, and etc.

OU plays OSU in Stillwater this year, an odd numbered year.

But yeah, regardless of conference, OU will be in Norman in 2026.

That's what I was thinking ... OU will be in Norman in 2026, in Stillwater in 2027.

(07-30-2019 07:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:59 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Posted my take on the fate of OU, UT, and the Big 12 in the OP, if anyone's interested....

I don’t think the SEC goes for the Oklahoma pair. The SEC will counter with Texas/Okla as a pair. Texas will in turn say we are only moving if TTU can come along.

With relations pretty sour among the Big 12 giants the Big Ten’s offer of Okla/Kansas allows the Sooners the ability to make good on their desire to move.

The UT bigwigs don't seem to want follow; they want to lead. I don't think they'll go where A&M went. (Nor will A&M want them there, but that's beside the point.) It's most likely the Big 12 or FB independence. There's an outside chance they join the Pac, where UT can be a king of sorts, but only if the Pac permits other Texahoma schools to tag along and makes accommodations for the LHN.

Interesting psychoanalysis, Nerd. But seriously, ego, pride, envy, posturing... the sober men and women making these decisions will not be swayed by such small motivations.

(08-02-2019 12:17 AM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 07:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:59 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Posted my take on the fate of OU, UT, and the Big 12 in the OP, if anyone's interested....

I don’t think the SEC goes for the Oklahoma pair. The SEC will counter with Texas/Okla as a pair. Texas will in turn say we are only moving if TTU can come along.

With relations pretty sour among the Big 12 giants the Big Ten’s offer of Okla/Kansas allows the Sooners the ability to make good on their desire to move.

The UT bigwigs don't seem to want follow; they want to lead. I don't think they'll go where A&M went. (Nor will A&M want them there, but that's beside the point.) It's most likely the Big 12 or FB independence. There's an outside chance they join the Pac, where UT can be a king of sorts, but only if the Pac permits other Texahoma schools to tag along and makes accommodations for the LHN.

Interesting psychoanalysis, Nerd. But seriously, ego, pride, envy, posturing... the sober men and women making these decisions will not be swayed by such small motivations.

OK, so why aren't UT and A&M playing anymore?

(08-02-2019 06:33 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 12:17 AM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 07:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:59 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Posted my take on the fate of OU, UT, and the Big 12 in the OP, if anyone's interested....

I don’t think the SEC goes for the Oklahoma pair. The SEC will counter with Texas/Okla as a pair. Texas will in turn say we are only moving if TTU can come along.

With relations pretty sour among the Big 12 giants the Big Ten’s offer of Okla/Kansas allows the Sooners the ability to make good on their desire to move.

The UT bigwigs don't seem to want follow; they want to lead. I don't think they'll go where A&M went. (Nor will A&M want them there, but that's beside the point.) It's most likely the Big 12 or FB independence. There's an outside chance they join the Pac, where UT can be a king of sorts, but only if the Pac permits other Texahoma schools to tag along and makes accommodations for the LHN.

Interesting psychoanalysis, Nerd. But seriously, ego, pride, envy, posturing... the sober men and women making these decisions will not be swayed by such small motivations.

OK, so why aren't UT and A&M playing anymore?

Good one. We can only speculate... resentments, petulance, etc, maybe. But it can just as likely be a case of A&M just making a clean break and going their own way, without looking back or thinking about UT. Really, with the stakes as high as they are, emotions have to be discarded.

(07-30-2019 07:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:59 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Posted my take on the fate of OU, UT, and the Big 12 in the OP, if anyone's interested....

I don’t think the SEC goes for the Oklahoma pair. The SEC will counter with Texas/Okla as a pair. Texas will in turn say we are only moving if TTU can come along.

With relations pretty sour among the Big 12 giants the Big Ten’s offer of Okla/Kansas allows the Sooners the ability to make good on their desire to move.

The UT bigwigs don't seem to want follow; they want to lead. I don't think they'll go where A&M went. (Nor will A&M want them there, but that's beside the point.) It's most likely the Big 12 or FB independence. There's an outside chance they join the Pac, where UT can be a king of sorts, but only if the Pac permits other Texahoma schools to tag along and makes accommodations for the LHN.

Yeah, I actually think the PAC is the best landing spot for Texas and Oklahoma to remain “kingpins”. Especially if TT and OSU come along as well. Even better than staying in the Big 12.

Loving you isn't the right thing to do. How can I ever change things that I feel? If I could, maybe I'd give you my world. How can I when you won't take it from me?

You can go your own way. Go your own way. You can call it another lonely day. You can go your own way. Go your own way.

(08-02-2019 12:06 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 07:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:59 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Posted my take on the fate of OU, UT, and the Big 12 in the OP, if anyone's interested....

I don’t think the SEC goes for the Oklahoma pair. The SEC will counter with Texas/Okla as a pair. Texas will in turn say we are only moving if TTU can come along.

With relations pretty sour among the Big 12 giants the Big Ten’s offer of Okla/Kansas allows the Sooners the ability to make good on their desire to move.

The UT bigwigs don't seem to want follow; they want to lead. I don't think they'll go where A&M went. (Nor will A&M want them there, but that's beside the point.) It's most likely the Big 12 or FB independence. There's an outside chance they join the Pac, where UT can be a king of sorts, but only if the Pac permits other Texahoma schools to tag along and makes accommodations for the LHN.

Yeah, I actually think the PAC is the best landing spot for Texas and Oklahoma to remain “kingpins”. Especially if TT and OSU come along as well. Even better than staying in the Big 12.

The PAC is the only place where Texas and Oklahoma will be able to go as a pair. And they certainly would be able to exercise more influence in the PAC than either the SEC or B1G.

(08-21-2019 12:54 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 12:06 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 07:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:59 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Posted my take on the fate of OU, UT, and the Big 12 in the OP, if anyone's interested....

I don’t think the SEC goes for the Oklahoma pair. The SEC will counter with Texas/Okla as a pair. Texas will in turn say we are only moving if TTU can come along.

With relations pretty sour among the Big 12 giants the Big Ten’s offer of Okla/Kansas allows the Sooners the ability to make good on their desire to move.

The UT bigwigs don't seem to want follow; they want to lead. I don't think they'll go where A&M went. (Nor will A&M want them there, but that's beside the point.) It's most likely the Big 12 or FB independence. There's an outside chance they join the Pac, where UT can be a king of sorts, but only if the Pac permits other Texahoma schools to tag along and makes accommodations for the LHN.

Yeah, I actually think the PAC is the best landing spot for Texas and Oklahoma to remain “kingpins”. Especially if TT and OSU come along as well. Even better than staying in the Big 12.

The PAC is the only place where Texas and Oklahoma will be able to go as a pair. And they certainly would be able to exercise more influence in the PAC than either the SEC or B1G.

Say what? You don't think every conference in the country would be thrilled to get Oklahoma and Texas as a pair.

In Oklahoma facing SEC competition with Texas Tech and Texas.

The farmers will be an afterthought when the 3 Texoma schools are added.

Obsession noted.

But Tech will NEVER be in the SEC.

But hey if you think I’m wrong I invite you to produce the invitation