(08-12-2019 01:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m coming around to the idea that Oklahoma will leave the Big 12 in 2026 but that Texas will stick around until the original LHN deal ends.

Here are my thoughts on FAANG:

If they wanted to create a super league they’d make a deal for the SEC rights on the condition that they add 10-14 ACC and Big 12 schools to the consortium. That would lump the lion share of the value of 3 conferences into an organization the size of 2. It’s not truly national but aside from the top half of the Big Ten and top third of the PAC 12 they’d hold the bulk of the market share.

The South seems to be the one place where college football interest is still holding very strong even for programs who perform poorly on the field. Elsewhere, it seems like only the schools who are winning are holding steady.

Muskie, if you took the top 40 revenue earners from 2017-8 these are the schools that would make the FAANG cut:

SEC
Alabama
Georgia
Florida
Texas A&M
Auburn
L.S.U.
Tennessee
South Carolina
Arkansas
Kentucky
Mississippi

B1G
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Indiana
Minnesota
Michigan State
Purdue
Maryland

B12
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
T.C.U.
West Virginia

PAC
Stanford
U.C.L.A.
Washington
Arizona State
U.S.C.
Oregon

ACC
Florida State
Louisville
Clemson
Duke
Virginia
North Carolina

Independent
Notre Dame

OUT
Mississippi State
Missouri
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
Illinois
Rutgers
Baylor
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Iowa State
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Oregon State
Washington State
California
Miami
Georgia Tech
N.C. State
Wake Forest
Boston College
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia Tech


But what's more likely to occur would be for the Big 10 and SEC to be taken whole since it is the only way they would agree to come.

Then the top 5 PAC schools would be added to the Big 10, but the top 5 AAU schools and probably in prestige so California makes it in. Oregon is not taken. Stanford, U.C.L.A., U.S.C. and Washington are taken. Arizona State is out because they aren't AAU.

Then the Big 10 (adds Notre Dame which joins because of the rivals involved) So the PAC 5 and Notre Dame make their 20.

The SEC picks up Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas from the Big 12 and Florida State, Clemson and North Carolina from the ACC.

There's your likely top 40:

Big 10 West: Cal, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington
Big 10 Plains: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Big 10 Lakes: Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Big 10 East: Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Ohio State

SEC West: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
SEC Gulf: Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
SEC South: Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina
SEC North: Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt


On the first part people will be a bit surprised if you just take the top 40 earners who it is that is really left out.

Between Big 10 requirements and the SEC's pickings there would be even more surprises should the cut ever be made at 40.

But you have to admit that the divisions are relatively compelling.

If there is a fuss then moving to divisions of 6 and to a total of 48 helps:

Big 10 West: California, U.C.L.A., Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington
Big 10 Plains: Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Big 10 Lakes: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Big 10 East: Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia

SEC West: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech
SEC Gulf: Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
SEC South: Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Miami, South Carolina
SEC North: Clemson, Duke, Kentucky, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech

Now you have a selective 48 that doesn't leave so many on the side lines.

Out:
SEC: None
B1G: None
Indy: None
PAC: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Oregon State, Washington State.
Big 12: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., West Virginia
ACC: Boston College, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest

So NOTE: This is what might happen if a FAANG company followed through on a plan to create leagues out of the top 40 (their plan) and I say more likely 48 schools based largely but not completely on the top earners.

Now I believe to most of us the preferable route would be a P4 where the champs all went to the CFP and if you are a real fan of expanding the playoffs you could add the next best 4 at large to play on the road at the home fields of the 4 champs for the first round.

But what's more likely to occur would be for the Big 10 and SEC to be taken whole since it is the only way they would agree to come.

This makes this process a non-starter.
If you took those 40 teams and divided them into 4 conferences, you would have something workable. Even better.....take the top 48 and divide them into four conferences of 12.

JRsec,

Please don't follow DavidSt. UC Berkeley is "Cal" (although they seem to be attempting to brand themselves as "Berkeley" perhaps eyeing the day the go private, as state funding is less and less important to them https://www.berkeley.edu/)and UCLA is UCLA or UC Los Angeles (OK but only used on diplomas http://www.ucla.edu/), NEVER EVER "Cal Los Angeles" (Cal is only in Cal State LA's name ... http://www.calstatela.edu/). USC is USC or if you insist Southern Cal is OK. South Carolina calls itself USC, but that moniker really belongs to the Los Angeles school. Perhaps South Carolina should be USCC for Columbia.

It's as offensive to us on the West coast as calling San Francisco "Frsico" (yeah, I don't get it either, as I came originally from Ohio, but it gets their dander up; they prefer to be known as "the City")

(08-12-2019 03:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 01:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m coming around to the idea that Oklahoma will leave the Big 12 in 2026 but that Texas will stick around until the original LHN deal ends.

Here are my thoughts on FAANG:

If they wanted to create a super league they’d make a deal for the SEC rights on the condition that they add 10-14 ACC and Big 12 schools to the consortium. That would lump the lion share of the value of 3 conferences into an organization the size of 2. It’s not truly national but aside from the top half of the Big Ten and top third of the PAC 12 they’d hold the bulk of the market share.

The South seems to be the one place where college football interest is still holding very strong even for programs who perform poorly on the field. Elsewhere, it seems like only the schools who are winning are holding steady.

Muskie, if you took the top 40 revenue earners from 2017-8 these are the schools that would make the FAANG cut:

SEC
Alabama
Georgia
Florida
Texas A&M
Auburn
L.S.U.
Tennessee
South Carolina
Arkansas
Kentucky
Mississippi

B1G
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Indiana
Minnesota
Michigan State
Purdue
Maryland

B12
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
T.C.U.
West Virginia

PAC
Stanford
U.C.L.A.
Washington
Arizona State
U.S.C.
Oregon

ACC
Florida State
Louisville
Clemson
Duke
Virginia
North Carolina

Independent
Notre Dame

OUT
Mississippi State
Missouri
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
Illinois
Rutgers
Baylor
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Iowa State
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Oregon State
Washington State
California
Miami
Georgia Tech
N.C. State
Wake Forest
Boston College
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia Tech


But what's more likely to occur would be for the Big 10 and SEC to be taken whole since it is the only way they would agree to come.

Then the top 5 PAC schools would be added to the Big 10, but the top 5 AAU schools and probably in prestige so California makes it in. Oregon is not taken. Stanford, U.C.L.A., U.S.C. and Washington are taken. Arizona State is out because they aren't AAU.

Then the Big 10 (adds Notre Dame which joins because of the rivals involved) So the PAC 5 and Notre Dame make their 20.

The SEC picks up Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas from the Big 12 and Florida State, Clemson and North Carolina from the ACC.

There's your likely top 40:

Big 10 West: Cal, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington
Big 10 Plains: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Big 10 Lakes: Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Big 10 East: Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Ohio State

SEC West: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
SEC Gulf: Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
SEC South: Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina
SEC North: Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt


On the first part people will be a bit surprised if you just take the top 40 earners who it is that is really left out.

Between Big 10 requirements and the SEC's pickings there would be even more surprises should the cut ever be made at 40.

But you have to admit that the divisions are relatively compelling.

If there is a fuss then moving to divisions of 6 and to a total of 48 helps:
Big 10 takes Virginia in the East, Colorado in the Plains, Oregon in the West, and pushes Ohio State to the Lakes and adds North Carolina to the East as Well.

The SEC adds T.C.U. to the West, replaces North Carolina with Duke in the North and Adds Virginia Tech to the North and N.C. State to the South and Louisville to the North and moves Vanderbilt to the Gulf;

Big 10 West: Cal, Cal Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington
Big 10 Plains: Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Big 10 Lakes: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Big 10 East: Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia

SEC West: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, T.C.U.
SEC Gulf: Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
SEC South: Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, N.C. State, South Carolina
SEC North: Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech

Now you have a selective 48 that doesn't leave so many on the side lines.

Out:
SEC: None
B1G: None
Indy: None
PAC: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Oregon State, Washington State.
Big 12: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, West Virginia
ACC: Boston College, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest

So NOTE: This is what might happen if a FAANG company followed through on a plan to create leagues out of the top 40 (their plan) and I say more likely 48 schools based largely but not completely on the top earners.

Now I believe to most of us the preferable route would be a P4 where the champs all went to the CFP and if you are a real fan of expanding the playoffs you could add the next best 4 at large to play on the road at the home fields of the 4 champs for the first round.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/...1b8a486c64

I'm partial to this list created by Forbes. Gets rid of some schools who don't belong.

Texas A&M
Texas
Michigan
Alabama
Ohio St
Oklahoma
Notre Dame
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Tennessee
Oregon
Arkansas
Penn St
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida St
USC
Washington
Nebraska
Ole Miss
Michigan St
Iowa
Wisconsin
Texas Tech.

You might think about this configuration:

EAST
UVa
Carolina
Duke
Clemson
Florida State
Georgia
South Carolina
Maryland
West Virginia
Penn State

SOUTH
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Tenn
Ark
Kentucky
Louisville
Ole MIss
Florida
Texas a&m

MID WEST
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Michigan
Wisc.
Iowa
Nebraska
Indiana
Minn.
Michigan State
Purdue

WEST
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
TCU
Stanford
UCLA
Washington
Ariz. State
USC
Oregon

I think only state flagships should be included since we are playing make believe.

Washington
Oregon
Cal
Arizona
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Alabama
Florida
South Carolina
Tennessee
Michigan
Nebraska

You get the idea. The rest of the scrubs can play Troy, Miss St, Southern Miss, Houston, TCU and Baylor etc as conference members.

(08-12-2019 03:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If there is a fuss then moving to divisions of 6 and to a total of 48 helps:
Big 10 takes Virginia in the East, Colorado in the Plains, Oregon in the West, and pushes Ohio State to the Lakes and adds North Carolina to the East as Well.

The SEC adds T.C.U. to the West, replaces North Carolina with Duke in the North and Adds Virginia Tech to the North and N.C. State to the South and Louisville to the North and moves Vanderbilt to the Gulf;

Big 10 West: Cal, Cal Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington
Big 10 Plains: Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Big 10 Lakes: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Big 10 East: Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia

SEC West: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, T.C.U.
SEC Gulf: Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
SEC South: Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, N.C. State, South Carolina
SEC North: Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech

Now you have a selective 48 that doesn't leave so many on the side lines.

Out:
SEC: None
B1G: None
Indy: None
PAC: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Oregon State, Washington State.
Big 12: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, West Virginia
ACC: Boston College, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest

So NOTE: This is what might happen if a FAANG company followed through on a plan to create leagues out of the top 40 (their plan) and I say more likely 48 schools based largely but not completely on the top earners.

Now I believe to most of us the preferable route would be a P4 where the champs all went to the CFP and if you are a real fan of expanding the playoffs you could add the next best 4 at large to play on the road at the home fields of the 4 champs for the first round.

I think going to 48 would help cut down on travel for teams within divisions in a "Mad Max" scenario. Even at 48 the disruption would be considerable and there will certainly be a lot of bellyaching from sports writers supporting programs left out.

What I'm curious about with this scenario are:

- Would the ACC then merge with the Big East and then lure West Virginia into the fold or would they remain separate conferences?

- How would the PAC rebuild? They would need a few California schools to maintain a line to recruits there. Could UC Davis move up to FBS and would they finally get around to inviting San Diego State?

Btw, you put in TAMU twice and NC State twice in your SEC scenario. I assume you meant to put Oklahoma in the West and Clemson in the South, as those make the most sense if geography is a factor.

Also btw, you should just go ahead and rename the conferences ESPN+ Conference and Amazon/Apple Conference.

(08-12-2019 11:00 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If there is a fuss then moving to divisions of 6 and to a total of 48 helps:
Big 10 takes Virginia in the East, Colorado in the Plains, Oregon in the West, and pushes Ohio State to the Lakes and adds North Carolina to the East as Well.

The SEC adds T.C.U. to the West, replaces North Carolina with Duke in the North and Adds Virginia Tech to the North and N.C. State to the South and Louisville to the North and moves Vanderbilt to the Gulf;

Big 10 West: Cal, Cal Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington
Big 10 Plains: Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Big 10 Lakes: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Big 10 East: Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia

SEC West: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, T.C.U.
SEC Gulf: Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
SEC South: Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, N.C. State, South Carolina
SEC North: Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech

Now you have a selective 48 that doesn't leave so many on the side lines.

Out:
SEC: None
B1G: None
Indy: None
PAC: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Oregon State, Washington State.
Big 12: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, West Virginia
ACC: Boston College, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest

So NOTE: This is what might happen if a FAANG company followed through on a plan to create leagues out of the top 40 (their plan) and I say more likely 48 schools based largely but not completely on the top earners.

Now I believe to most of us the preferable route would be a P4 where the champs all went to the CFP and if you are a real fan of expanding the playoffs you could add the next best 4 at large to play on the road at the home fields of the 4 champs for the first round.

I think going to 48 would help cut down on travel for teams within divisions in a "Mad Max" scenario. Even at 48 the disruption would be considerable and there will certainly be a lot of bellyaching from sports writers supporting programs left out.

What I'm curious about with this scenario are:

- Would the ACC then merge with the Big East and then lure West Virginia into the fold or would they remain separate conferences?

- How would the PAC rebuild? They would need a few California schools to maintain a line to recruits there. Could UC Davis move up to FBS and would they finally get around to inviting San Diego State?

Btw, you put in TAMU twice and NC State twice in your SEC scenario. I assume you meant to put Oklahoma in the West and Clemson in the South, as those make the most sense if geography is a factor.

Also btw, you should just go ahead and rename the conferences ESPN+ Conference and Amazon/Apple Conference.

Thanks. I fixed the 48 model. And I took Stu's cultural nomenclature and fixed that as well.

I think they would be Amazon North and South most likely. They'd probably just buy ESPN's contracts out.

(08-12-2019 11:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 11:00 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If there is a fuss then moving to divisions of 6 and to a total of 48 helps:
Big 10 takes Virginia in the East, Colorado in the Plains, Oregon in the West, and pushes Ohio State to the Lakes and adds North Carolina to the East as Well.

The SEC adds T.C.U. to the West, replaces North Carolina with Duke in the North and Adds Virginia Tech to the North and N.C. State to the South and Louisville to the North and moves Vanderbilt to the Gulf;

Big 10 West: Cal, Cal Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington
Big 10 Plains: Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Big 10 Lakes: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Big 10 East: Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia

SEC West: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, T.C.U.
SEC Gulf: Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
SEC South: Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, N.C. State, South Carolina
SEC North: Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech

Now you have a selective 48 that doesn't leave so many on the side lines.

Out:
SEC: None
B1G: None
Indy: None
PAC: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Oregon State, Washington State.
Big 12: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, West Virginia
ACC: Boston College, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest

So NOTE: This is what might happen if a FAANG company followed through on a plan to create leagues out of the top 40 (their plan) and I say more likely 48 schools based largely but not completely on the top earners.

Now I believe to most of us the preferable route would be a P4 where the champs all went to the CFP and if you are a real fan of expanding the playoffs you could add the next best 4 at large to play on the road at the home fields of the 4 champs for the first round.

I think going to 48 would help cut down on travel for teams within divisions in a "Mad Max" scenario. Even at 48 the disruption would be considerable and there will certainly be a lot of bellyaching from sports writers supporting programs left out.

What I'm curious about with this scenario are:

- Would the ACC then merge with the Big East and then lure West Virginia into the fold or would they remain separate conferences?

- How would the PAC rebuild? They would need a few California schools to maintain a line to recruits there. Could UC Davis move up to FBS and would they finally get around to inviting San Diego State?

Btw, you put in TAMU twice and NC State twice in your SEC scenario. I assume you meant to put Oklahoma in the West and Clemson in the South, as those make the most sense if geography is a factor.

Also btw, you should just go ahead and rename the conferences ESPN+ Conference and Amazon/Apple Conference.

Thanks. I fixed the 48 model. And I took Stu's cultural nomenclature and fixed that as well.

I think they would be Amazon North and South most likely. They'd probably just buy ESPN's contracts out.

JR, You listed Texas A&M twice and left out Oklahoma.

(08-12-2019 11:45 PM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 11:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 11:00 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If there is a fuss then moving to divisions of 6 and to a total of 48 helps:
Big 10 takes Virginia in the East, Colorado in the Plains, Oregon in the West, and pushes Ohio State to the Lakes and adds North Carolina to the East as Well.

The SEC adds T.C.U. to the West, replaces North Carolina with Duke in the North and Adds Virginia Tech to the North and N.C. State to the South and Louisville to the North and moves Vanderbilt to the Gulf;

Big 10 West: Cal, Cal Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington
Big 10 Plains: Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Big 10 Lakes: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Big 10 East: Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia

SEC West: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, T.C.U.
SEC Gulf: Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
SEC South: Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, N.C. State, South Carolina
SEC North: Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech

Now you have a selective 48 that doesn't leave so many on the side lines.

Out:
SEC: None
B1G: None
Indy: None
PAC: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Oregon State, Washington State.
Big 12: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, West Virginia
ACC: Boston College, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest

So NOTE: This is what might happen if a FAANG company followed through on a plan to create leagues out of the top 40 (their plan) and I say more likely 48 schools based largely but not completely on the top earners.

Now I believe to most of us the preferable route would be a P4 where the champs all went to the CFP and if you are a real fan of expanding the playoffs you could add the next best 4 at large to play on the road at the home fields of the 4 champs for the first round.

I think going to 48 would help cut down on travel for teams within divisions in a "Mad Max" scenario. Even at 48 the disruption would be considerable and there will certainly be a lot of bellyaching from sports writers supporting programs left out.

What I'm curious about with this scenario are:

- Would the ACC then merge with the Big East and then lure West Virginia into the fold or would they remain separate conferences?

- How would the PAC rebuild? They would need a few California schools to maintain a line to recruits there. Could UC Davis move up to FBS and would they finally get around to inviting San Diego State?

Btw, you put in TAMU twice and NC State twice in your SEC scenario. I assume you meant to put Oklahoma in the West and Clemson in the South, as those make the most sense if geography is a factor.

Also btw, you should just go ahead and rename the conferences ESPN+ Conference and Amazon/Apple Conference.

Thanks. I fixed the 48 model. And I took Stu's cultural nomenclature and fixed that as well.

I think they would be Amazon North and South most likely. They'd probably just buy ESPN's contracts out.

JR, You listed Texas A&M twice and left out Oklahoma.

Already fixed it. I must have been fixing it as you were reading. I also had N.C. State down twice. Go back and see the amended post.

That's what happens when your wife calls dinner and you rush to finish a long post. No complaints on the meal though. I had Atlantic Salmon on a bed of rice with a homemade blueberry pie! We're old so we eat early.

(08-12-2019 11:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 11:45 PM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 11:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 11:00 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 03:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If there is a fuss then moving to divisions of 6 and to a total of 48 helps:
Big 10 takes Virginia in the East, Colorado in the Plains, Oregon in the West, and pushes Ohio State to the Lakes and adds North Carolina to the East as Well.

The SEC adds T.C.U. to the West, replaces North Carolina with Duke in the North and Adds Virginia Tech to the North and N.C. State to the South and Louisville to the North and moves Vanderbilt to the Gulf;

Big 10 West: Cal, Cal Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington
Big 10 Plains: Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Big 10 Lakes: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Big 10 East: Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia

SEC West: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, T.C.U.
SEC Gulf: Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
SEC South: Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, N.C. State, South Carolina
SEC North: Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, N.C. State, Tennessee, Virginia Tech

Now you have a selective 48 that doesn't leave so many on the side lines.

Out:
SEC: None
B1G: None
Indy: None
PAC: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Oregon State, Washington State.
Big 12: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, West Virginia
ACC: Boston College, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest

So NOTE: This is what might happen if a FAANG company followed through on a plan to create leagues out of the top 40 (their plan) and I say more likely 48 schools based largely but not completely on the top earners.

Now I believe to most of us the preferable route would be a P4 where the champs all went to the CFP and if you are a real fan of expanding the playoffs you could add the next best 4 at large to play on the road at the home fields of the 4 champs for the first round.

I think going to 48 would help cut down on travel for teams within divisions in a "Mad Max" scenario. Even at 48 the disruption would be considerable and there will certainly be a lot of bellyaching from sports writers supporting programs left out.

What I'm curious about with this scenario are:

- Would the ACC then merge with the Big East and then lure West Virginia into the fold or would they remain separate conferences?

- How would the PAC rebuild? They would need a few California schools to maintain a line to recruits there. Could UC Davis move up to FBS and would they finally get around to inviting San Diego State?

Btw, you put in TAMU twice and NC State twice in your SEC scenario. I assume you meant to put Oklahoma in the West and Clemson in the South, as those make the most sense if geography is a factor.

Also btw, you should just go ahead and rename the conferences ESPN+ Conference and Amazon/Apple Conference.

Thanks. I fixed the 48 model. And I took Stu's cultural nomenclature and fixed that as well.

I think they would be Amazon North and South most likely. They'd probably just buy ESPN's contracts out.

JR, You listed Texas A&M twice and left out Oklahoma.

Already fixed it. I must have been fixing it as you were reading. I also had N.C. State down twice. Go back and see the amended post.

That's what happens when your wife calls dinner and you rush to finish a long post. No complaints on the meal though. I had Atlantic Salmon on a bed of rice with a homemade blueberry pie! We're old so we eat early.

Your Apéritif must have been a double because it's obvious you weren't thinking clearly.
In an effort to keep Duke off of a suicide watch, let's put them in the Big Ten East and put Rutgers on the sideline (Duke, Carolina, UVa, Maryland, Notre Dame and Penn State).
That would free up a spot for West Virginia in the SEC North;
West Virginia, NC State, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia Tech and Louisville (that's a much better cohesive grouping).
That's a little more realistic JR.

Back to the OP:

Q: Where will Texas be in 2026?

A: Austin

(08-14-2019 10:33 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Back to the OP:

Q: Where will Texas be in 2026?

A: Austin

UT will be in Austin, Texas will be in the United States.


Sorry, I could not resist

What do people think happens step by step if the Texahoma 4 go to the PAC for 16? Not asking whether you think that happens or not.

In regards to the FAANG super conference idea I don’t think it’ll ever happen. What makes more sense is to approach either the SEC or Big Ten and toss money at them to expand by 10 or so members. instead of 5 Power conferences you consolidate into 2 Super Conferences.

The Big Ten could absorb the top of the PAC 12, maybe some old Big 8 schools, and ND and or some NE schools.

The SEC would be looking at Texlahoma and the southern wing of the ACC.

(08-15-2019 10:41 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In regards to the FAANG super conference idea I don’t think it’ll ever happen. What makes more sense is to approach either the SEC or Big Ten and toss money at them to expand by 10 or so members. instead of 5 Power conferences you consolidate into 2 Super Conferences.

The Big Ten could absorb the top of the PAC 12, maybe some old Big 8 schools, and ND and or some NE schools.

The SEC would be looking at Texlahoma and the southern wing of the ACC.

And that covers the most valuable teams and places them into the two most widely viewed conferences and plays off of the North / South rivalry which sells better than any other in terms of viewership and travel crowds. And that is why this concept will remain a viable possibility.

And from a standpoint of governance two leagues operated under the auspices of the Big 10 and SEC (two entities that usually agree on most policies and procedures) would be easier to manage. It would also eliminate 3 sets of conference bureaucracies and overhead while giving the schools included more leverage.

B-12 = Texas according to Texas.

2026 = Texas + Oklahoma + the 8 Dwarfs.

(08-15-2019 01:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 10:41 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In regards to the FAANG super conference idea I don’t think it’ll ever happen. What makes more sense is to approach either the SEC or Big Ten and toss money at them to expand by 10 or so members. instead of 5 Power conferences you consolidate into 2 Super Conferences.

The Big Ten could absorb the top of the PAC 12, maybe some old Big 8 schools, and ND and or some NE schools.

The SEC would be looking at Texlahoma and the southern wing of the ACC.

And that covers the most valuable teams and places them into the two most widely viewed conferences and plays off of the North / South rivalry which sells better than any other in terms of viewership and travel crowds. And that is why this concept will remain a viable possibility.

And from a standpoint of governance two leagues operated under the auspices of the Big 10 and SEC (two entities that usually agree on most policies and procedures) would be easier to manage. It would also eliminate 3 sets of conference bureaucracies and overhead while giving the schools included more leverage.

There’s another way that this structure could be beneficial. It forces rules compliance within the 2 organizations. Let’s say Arkansas has a cheating scandal as egregious as the SMU Pony Express days. Now they could be looking at permanent banishment from top level college athletics.

As it stands now, most schools can act up but their conference isn’t going to threaten to kick them out because they can just go join another.

(08-15-2019 09:16 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  What do people think happens step by step if the Texahoma 4 go to the PAC for 16? Not asking whether you think that happens or not.

When does this happen -- 2025, 2011, 2037?

(08-15-2019 09:16 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  What do people think happens step by step if the Texahoma 4 go to the PAC for 16? Not asking whether you think that happens or not.

First let me say I think this would be the best possible thing to happen for the sport of college football, but right now it is virtually impossible.

1. The PAC Network needs to be owned outside of the incompetent PAC offices. It could be streamlined by the carrier handling it to cut down on needless overhead and could focus on events that actually draw eyeballs instead of appeal to a limited number of donors.

2. By monetizing the PACN properly the gap preventing the possibility of movement could be closed part of the way.

3. Don't think in terms of 4 schools, think in terms of 8 in a move to 20. For that to happen the PAC snobbishness over academics needs to come to an end. It would behoove both the PAC and Big 10 to keep their academic conference separate from their athletic conference since the two serve two different missions.

Add Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Brigham Young. That makes a helluva PAC 20 and opens many slots in the Central Time Zone in which to sell more inventory driving up revenue.

PAC West: Arizona, Arizona State, California, U.C.L.A., U.S.C.
PAC North: Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
PAC East: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
PAC South: Brigham Young, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah

4. What this does is put the PAC into 3 time zones tripling their national exposure, adding solid football and basketball schools and keeping a core of schools that desire to stay together together. It also takes the two biggest balance shifters to a conference where it keeps things in balance with the SEC and Big 10.

5. Such a move would destabilize the ACC. If the SEC and Big 10 grew to 20 each out of the ACC it wouldn't destroy the balance that 3 conferences of 20 would bring to college football's upper tier.

Virginia, Duke, North Carolina, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Pittsburgh join the Big 10.

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, N.C. State and Texas Christian join the SEC.

Big 10 East: Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Virginia
Big 10 NE: Ohio State, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse
Big 10 NW: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Big 10 West: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

SEC North: Clemson, Kentucky, N.C. State, Virginia Tech, Tennessee
SEC East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina
SEC South: Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
SEC West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M, T.C.U.

Those 3 conferences would offer a lot more balance than having either the SEC or Big 10 picking up one or both of Texas and Oklahoma. And the income difference that exists now between the 5 P conferences would be greatly ameliorated.

I don't offer the schools I've included as definitive, just as an illustration of what it might look like.

It would create conference semifinals and the CFP would remain 4 schools (3 champs and 1 at large).