(08-05-2019 07:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If that’s true then name one P4 conference that will take Texas Tech as a stand-alone member

(08-05-2019 04:13 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 11:55 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  I'm sure Texas prefers the status quo. But ....

If Oklahoma makes a move, then they'd do something. But it wouldn't be something as pedantic as join another conference.

They'd look to make a statement ...

They'd go independent in football, with a Notre Dame arrangement with the ACC to house their other sports.

This allows them to think they're as special as Notre Dame, while at the same time, give them 7 spots to schedule whoever the heck they wanted to schedule. Plus put them in a conference with academic peers, that has minor sports excelling in the NCAA.


Big Ten? And be forced to play Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers, and Illinois? With only 4 spots to schedule schools from Texas, plus heavy weights, plus traditional rivals? No way.

SEC? And be forced to play Vandy, Mizzou, Arkansas, Kentucky, and South Carolina? With only 4 spots to schedule schools from Texas, plus heavy weights, plus traditional rivals? Hell no.

PAC 12? Are you joking?


It's BIG XII, or Independent with the ACC and an ND deal.

I don't see why the ACC is even being considered as a possibility for UT. If OU leaves and UT FB goes independent, the Longhorns can just keep their non-FB sports in what remains of the Big 12.

Yeah ... right. The Big XII will absolutely allow Texas to remain in the conference after they crater the football league by yanking their team to go 100% independent. Which would only happen if Oklahoma has already left ... So no Oklahoma, then no Texas ... no more P5. But go ahead Texas ... we want to keep playing your volleyball team. And men's cross country.



Absolutely hilarious.

(08-05-2019 08:47 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 04:13 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 11:55 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  I'm sure Texas prefers the status quo. But ....

If Oklahoma makes a move, then they'd do something. But it wouldn't be something as pedantic as join another conference.

They'd look to make a statement ...

They'd go independent in football, with a Notre Dame arrangement with the ACC to house their other sports.

This allows them to think they're as special as Notre Dame, while at the same time, give them 7 spots to schedule whoever the heck they wanted to schedule. Plus put them in a conference with academic peers, that has minor sports excelling in the NCAA.


Big Ten? And be forced to play Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers, and Illinois? With only 4 spots to schedule schools from Texas, plus heavy weights, plus traditional rivals? No way.

SEC? And be forced to play Vandy, Mizzou, Arkansas, Kentucky, and South Carolina? With only 4 spots to schedule schools from Texas, plus heavy weights, plus traditional rivals? Hell no.

PAC 12? Are you joking?


It's BIG XII, or Independent with the ACC and an ND deal.

I don't see why the ACC is even being considered as a possibility for UT. If OU leaves and UT FB goes independent, the Longhorns can just keep their non-FB sports in what remains of the Big 12.

Yeah ... right. The Big XII will absolutely allow Texas to remain in the conference after they crater the football league by yanking their team to go 100% independent. Which would only happen if Oklahoma has already left ... So no Oklahoma, then no Texas ... no more P5. But go ahead Texas ... we want to keep playing your volleyball team. And men's cross country.

If they want UT to keep playing them in football, even if less frequently than annually, then yes, they will absolutely allow that.

(08-04-2019 04:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 03:49 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 03:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 03:22 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 02:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Oklahoma has far more limited resources and potential than Texas. All one has to do is look at the Oklahoma City Thunder and the recent statements from Sam Presti about working with a small market. This is evident in the large gap in 3rd tier revenue from OU to Texas and to the B1G schools, and soon the SEC schools. Oklahoma is simply not large enough a market, and not part of a strong enough package to maximize revenue.

But Oklahoma's issues go deeper than that. It is part of the plain states which are not growing, and youth peaked. Long term the survival of the school as a top tier public university requires more out of state applicants, and not just Texas. This requires a repositioning.

Now I separate Texas, because none of the above issues applies in Austin, where they are impacted and standards are raising for applicants, and both the state and the revenue are growing in all areas. You cannot lump Texas and Oklahoma together, their situations are not at all analogous.

OU is close to DFW (about 2.5 hours, population 7.5 million and growing) that’s where their alumni and fans live. I would say OU has more fans than A&M (I don’t have any data that backs me up but I’m basing it on gear and car stickers) here in DFW.

OU has to be tied to UT in order to stay relevant. They only have to look at Arkansas which once upon a time was Texas biggest rival.

Oklahoma overcomes the Texas access problem if they join the SEC. In some ways since the Sooners are the last ones to define a Texas football season they have far more leverage than Arkansas ever did, especially as long as A&M remains estranged.

True. But the question remains, does Oklahoma want the SEC? It’s a cultural fit and they’d make more money. But going through a slate of Alabama, Auburn, LSU, A&M, etc is really difficult if your goal is to make it to the CFP every year. Will they settle for a Citrus, Outback or Liberty bowl as a consolation prize? Would they become another Arkansas which used to be a power and it’s now an irrelevant program? Would they take A&M’s place as a program that has top recruiting classes, great fan support and lots of re$ources but can’t even win a division title? Those are some questions OU administrators and fans have to ask if they want to give up an easier path to the CFP in the Big XII over more money in the SEC or the Big Ten.

That's all pretty lame. A&M would be their chief rival. They would have the same recruiting grounds with a game in Texas every year even if the Horns refused to play them too, and Alabama and Auburn would move to the East. They'd have to beat A&M and Arkansas and L.S.U. to get to the CCG. That's not much more difficult than what they have now with Texas, West Virginia and T.C.U.. The softball, baseball, and gymnastics are all a better fit too.

If Texas wanted in fine. If not they keep OSU.

Texas A&M will never replace Texas as Oklahoma’s biggest rival. Never.

A&M has good rivalries with Arkansas and Louisiana State. Oklahoma would not have such a thing in the SEC except for perhaps Missouri from the Big 8/12 days.

Is making more money and losing its biggest rival more important to OU than having an easier path to the CFP? We’ll see in a few years.

And no, Texas will not go to the SEC. Their ego won’t allow them to follow their “little brother” to the SEC. Remember, Texas has power issues not financial ones.

(08-04-2019 09:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 08:43 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 04:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 03:49 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 03:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Oklahoma overcomes the Texas access problem if they join the SEC. In some ways since the Sooners are the last ones to define a Texas football season they have far more leverage than Arkansas ever did, especially as long as A&M remains estranged.

True. But the question remains, does Oklahoma want the SEC? It’s a cultural fit and they’d make more money. But going through a slate of Alabama, Auburn, LSU, A&M, etc is really difficult if your goal is to make it to the CFP every year. Will they settle for a Citrus, Outback or Liberty bowl as a consolation prize? Would they become another Arkansas which used to be a power and it’s now an irrelevant program? Would they take A&M’s place as a program that has top recruiting classes, great fan support and lots of re$ources but can’t even win a division title? Those are some questions OU administrators and fans have to ask if they want to give up an easier path to the CFP in the Big XII over more money in the SEC or the Big Ten.

That's all pretty lame. A&M would be their chief rival. They would have the same recruiting grounds with a game in Texas every year even if the Horns refused to play them too, and Alabama and Auburn would move to the East. They'd have to beat A&M and Arkansas and L.S.U. to get to the CCG. That's not much more difficult than what they have now with Texas, West Virginia and T.C.U.. The softball, baseball, and gymnastics are all a better fit too.

If Texas wanted in fine. If not they keep OSU.

OU will never accept a$m as their sloppy seconds to replace UT.

The state of Texas has 3 power schools who belong in a Power conference. Oklahoma has 2. I hope the Texoma 4 end up in the SEC.

So who would they rather have? Minnesota? Wisconsin? Nebraska?

Don't sweat the small stuff. I like the odds of at least the Texas pair if movement occurs. Personally I think Texa-homa would be a strong content move, I'm just not sure the networks will be on board. We'll see.

The Dude of WV is claiming he has a FOIA document in hand that proves the new GOR has already been signed. That's a hoot! There is no reason for it to be signed 5 years ahead of time, and certainly no way that's available by FOIA already. I guess his hit revenue is running low.

Nebraska is their biggest rival after Texas. Plus the Big Ten offers Penn State, Michigan and Ohio State not to mention the academic side is way better which is what school presidents care about. At the end neither the B1G and SEC will get Oklahoma and the biggest prize of them all....Texas.

(08-05-2019 08:56 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Texas A&M will never replace Texas as Oklahoma’s biggest rival. Never.

I dunno. Give it a hundred years....

(08-05-2019 09:03 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 09:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 08:43 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 04:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 03:49 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  True. But the question remains, does Oklahoma want the SEC? It’s a cultural fit and they’d make more money. But going through a slate of Alabama, Auburn, LSU, A&M, etc is really difficult if your goal is to make it to the CFP every year. Will they settle for a Citrus, Outback or Liberty bowl as a consolation prize? Would they become another Arkansas which used to be a power and it’s now an irrelevant program? Would they take A&M’s place as a program that has top recruiting classes, great fan support and lots of re$ources but can’t even win a division title? Those are some questions OU administrators and fans have to ask if they want to give up an easier path to the CFP in the Big XII over more money in the SEC or the Big Ten.

That's all pretty lame. A&M would be their chief rival. They would have the same recruiting grounds with a game in Texas every year even if the Horns refused to play them too, and Alabama and Auburn would move to the East. They'd have to beat A&M and Arkansas and L.S.U. to get to the CCG. That's not much more difficult than what they have now with Texas, West Virginia and T.C.U.. The softball, baseball, and gymnastics are all a better fit too.

If Texas wanted in fine. If not they keep OSU.

OU will never accept a$m as their sloppy seconds to replace UT.

The state of Texas has 3 power schools who belong in a Power conference. Oklahoma has 2. I hope the Texoma 4 end up in the SEC.

So who would they rather have? Minnesota? Wisconsin? Nebraska?

Don't sweat the small stuff. I like the odds of at least the Texas pair if movement occurs. Personally I think Texa-homa would be a strong content move, I'm just not sure the networks will be on board. We'll see.

The Dude of WV is claiming he has a FOIA document in hand that proves the new GOR has already been signed. That's a hoot! There is no reason for it to be signed 5 years ahead of time, and certainly no way that's available by FOIA already. I guess his hit revenue is running low.

Nebraska is their biggest rival after Texas. Plus the Big Ten offers Penn State, Michigan and Ohio State not to mention the academic side is way better which is what school presidents care about. At the end neither the B1G and SEC will get Oklahoma and the biggest prize of them all....Texas.

Are you a betting man? I bet you 3 rep points that Texas never goes to the Big 10. Oklahoma who knows?

(08-05-2019 09:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Are you a betting man? I bet you 3 rep points that Texas never goes to the Big 10. Oklahoma who knows?

How do you win a bet of infinite duration like that? ;P

(08-05-2019 09:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 09:03 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 09:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 08:43 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 04:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  That's all pretty lame. A&M would be their chief rival. They would have the same recruiting grounds with a game in Texas every year even if the Horns refused to play them too, and Alabama and Auburn would move to the East. They'd have to beat A&M and Arkansas and L.S.U. to get to the CCG. That's not much more difficult than what they have now with Texas, West Virginia and T.C.U.. The softball, baseball, and gymnastics are all a better fit too.

If Texas wanted in fine. If not they keep OSU.

OU will never accept a$m as their sloppy seconds to replace UT.

The state of Texas has 3 power schools who belong in a Power conference. Oklahoma has 2. I hope the Texoma 4 end up in the SEC.

So who would they rather have? Minnesota? Wisconsin? Nebraska?

Don't sweat the small stuff. I like the odds of at least the Texas pair if movement occurs. Personally I think Texa-homa would be a strong content move, I'm just not sure the networks will be on board. We'll see.

The Dude of WV is claiming he has a FOIA document in hand that proves the new GOR has already been signed. That's a hoot! There is no reason for it to be signed 5 years ahead of time, and certainly no way that's available by FOIA already. I guess his hit revenue is running low.

Nebraska is their biggest rival after Texas. Plus the Big Ten offers Penn State, Michigan and Ohio State not to mention the academic side is way better which is what school presidents care about. At the end neither the B1G and SEC will get Oklahoma and the biggest prize of them all....Texas.

Are you a betting man? I bet you 3 rep points that Texas never goes to the Big 10. Oklahoma who knows?

Texas is not going to the Big Ten either.

Texas will stay in the Big XII for one reason only. They like to be in control. They won’t get that in the B1G and SEC.

(08-05-2019 10:09 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If you deserve a spot then tell us who agrees with you and wants Tech by itself?

To be fair, Tech could go by themselves to any P5 not named the Big Ten if they were in let’s say San Antonio instead of Lubbock. The area is not easy to get to and offers little recruiting for any P5 to show any interest.

The best thing for Tech and any other Big XII school not named UT and OU (maybe KU as well) is for the Big XII to keep the status quo.....Texas is happy, OU is happy and the rest get to keep their power status.

(08-05-2019 10:33 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 10:09 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If you deserve a spot then tell us who agrees with you and wants Tech by itself?

To be fair, Tech could go by themselves to any P5 not named the Big Ten if they were in let’s say San Antonio instead of Lubbock. The area is not easy to get to and offers little recruiting for any P5 to show any interest.

The best thing for Tech and any other Big XII school not named UT and OU (maybe KU as well) is for the Big XII to keep the status quo.....Texas is happy, OU is happy and the rest get to keep their power status.

It's not like presence in a large market makes schools like TCU or Houston desirable as solo adds for other power conferences, so I'm not sure why you think "TTSA" would necessarily be.

Just east of New Mexico and south of Oklahoma.

(08-05-2019 08:53 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 08:47 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 04:13 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 11:55 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  I'm sure Texas prefers the status quo. But ....

If Oklahoma makes a move, then they'd do something. But it wouldn't be something as pedantic as join another conference.

They'd look to make a statement ...

They'd go independent in football, with a Notre Dame arrangement with the ACC to house their other sports.

This allows them to think they're as special as Notre Dame, while at the same time, give them 7 spots to schedule whoever the heck they wanted to schedule. Plus put them in a conference with academic peers, that has minor sports excelling in the NCAA.


Big Ten? And be forced to play Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers, and Illinois? With only 4 spots to schedule schools from Texas, plus heavy weights, plus traditional rivals? No way.

SEC? And be forced to play Vandy, Mizzou, Arkansas, Kentucky, and South Carolina? With only 4 spots to schedule schools from Texas, plus heavy weights, plus traditional rivals? Hell no.

PAC 12? Are you joking?


It's BIG XII, or Independent with the ACC and an ND deal.

I don't see why the ACC is even being considered as a possibility for UT. If OU leaves and UT FB goes independent, the Longhorns can just keep their non-FB sports in what remains of the Big 12.

Yeah ... right. The Big XII will absolutely allow Texas to remain in the conference after they crater the football league by yanking their team to go 100% independent. Which would only happen if Oklahoma has already left ... So no Oklahoma, then no Texas ... no more P5. But go ahead Texas ... we want to keep playing your volleyball team. And men's cross country.

If they want UT to keep playing them in football, even if less frequently than annually, then yes, they will absolutely allow that.

Nerdlinger, you are absolutely correct. ACC fans "hope" UT will go to the ACC. However, as I have pointed out before, Texas will never place their other sports teams on an island where they will have to constantly travel to Syracuse, Boston and North Carolina to play a volley ball game or tennis match....not to mention their basketball and baseball teams. Texas is the most valuable athletic program in the nation and does not have to 'settle' for anything.

If OU leaves, the Big12 remnants would shout with joy if Texas would agree to an arrangement with the Big12 similiar to what Notre Dame has with the ACC........ Indy in football and leave their other teams in the Big12.

(07-30-2019 07:15 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 08:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 08:11 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The way I see it, Oklahoma is going to want to move. Their first choice would be the SEC with Oklahoma St.

The SEC is going to ponder that move but ultimately I think they will end up passing because it means that without an NCAA rule change they would have no room to ever add again, meaning no Texas.

The SEC counters with an offer to take Oklahoma and Texas.

The Big Ten offers to take Oklahoma and Kansas. They offer Okahoma an immediate full share and offer both schools the flexibility to keep Bedlam and the Sunflower Showdown.

I think Oklahoma takes the Big Ten offer and Texas and TTU end up in the SEC.

Let's look at what motivations Texas might have to intentionally take that slot instead of Oklahoma. If this happens it may well start with a serious flirtation by the SEC with Oklahoma. But it won't be the SEC that moves on Texas, but Texas that would try to scoop Oklahoma's slot by insisting on Tech to come with them. Here's why:

Right now the Horns share Texas with 3 other Texas P5 schools in the Big 12 and Okahoma and Oklahoma State. The issue here is that all of those schools are splitting recruits in that state along with Texas A&M.

If Texas moves to the SEC with Tech and joins A&M they in effect take away A&M's recruiting advantage. So that's one perk to Texas. In the process they also demote Baylor and T.C.U. and use the excuse that Oklahoma was bolting and they had to protect Tech as their cover story. That tries to put the honus on the Sooners while demoting two more schools in the state of Texas. That's another perk for Texas. Now there would be only 3 P schools in the state of Texas and all three are in the SEC essentially locking other P conferences out of the in state Texas recruiting scheme. They know many of their kids want to stay at home to play. Next, by taking OU's place in the SEC they force Oklahoma to move to the Big 10 and they know OSU won't be able to go. So they demote another neighboring school that recruits DFW well and now they have Oklahoma back in another conference so that it limits their exposure in the state of Texas to smaller schools they wouldn't want to play a home and home with, and their annual game in Dallas. That's two more perks for the Horns.

So Muskie I think it will start with an OU flirtation that is serious with the SEC, and that UT knows that if the SEC could get three regionally televised games a week out of the State of Texas that it boosts both the T1 and T2 of the SEC significantly more than OU and OSU and it gives the SEC more leverage for ad rates inside Texas therefore there is little doubt that with ESPN's blessing the SEC's blessing, and make everyone more money while making Texas really compete with just 2 other Texas schools. Plus they scoop the Sooners and score a coup over every one of their present rivals.

Picking up Arkansas (beloved old rival), L.S.U. (not so beloved border rival), and Ole Miss would give their fans their key old rivals back and some good travel crowds and easy regional travel.

So in summation A&M is brought back to par with Texas, Tech is elevated but not to Texas and A&M status due mostly to distance, Baylor and T.C.U. are demoted along with Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma is sent north and loses some exposure in the State of Texas as far as number of competitions. And in the end they earn about 4-6 million more by joining than they do with the Big 12 revenue and the LHN. ESPN is off the hook. LHN studio becomes the SEC West Studio and Charlotte becomes the SEC East Studio and the SECN which is already in 17 Mexican cities is broadcast from Texas in Spanish. And the fans and alums get better games and old rivalries back and Texas still gets some exposure in Florida and Georgia and they can pretend Vandy is their only academic rival, even though Florida most certainly would be another.

That will be the reasoning and why Oklahoma is more likely to wind up in the Big 10. That and without Alabama and Auburn in the west Texas by moving Oklahoma to the Big 10 would only have to beat A&M, L.S.U., and Arkansas most years to make the CCG while Alabama would have Auburn, Florida and Georgia to get through.

Toss in Mike Slive's remarks at a Dallas gathering where he stated the SEC would be proud to have any of Texas's top 3 state schools, or all of them, and the Texas legislature wanting Texas, A&M and Tech to all play annually and it just seems like the simplest solution.

This is a very good explanation for why Texas will try to torpedo Oklahoma going to the SEC and leveraging a spot for themselves and TTU. Oklahoma gets somewhat edged out of Texas recruiting and TCU, Baylor, and Oklahoma St all effectively getting downgraded.

With the 4 OOC games they’d have in the SEC they could still schedule schools like Baylor and TCU but on 2 for 1 deals that favor Texas while still giving them road games in Texas. In a 12 game season I see them having at least 8 and potentially 9 games in state.

If the A&M game wasn’t sacred in 2011 there is no reason to believe that the RRR will be in 2026. Arkansas could very easily slip in to fill the void during the state fair as they have a history of doing neutral site games in Dallas.

Muskie, are you aware of how much money the City of Dallas pays OU and UT to play their game in the Cotton Bowl?

Also, Arkansas does not have a history of playing neutral site games in Dallas. They have only played A&M in recent years in Arkansas Alumnus Jerry Jones stadium in Arlington and there has been discussion that Arkansas would like to end it and play home and home.

(08-06-2019 07:23 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 10:33 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(08-05-2019 10:09 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If you deserve a spot then tell us who agrees with you and wants Tech by itself?

To be fair, Tech could go by themselves to any P5 not named the Big Ten if they were in let’s say San Antonio instead of Lubbock. The area is not easy to get to and offers little recruiting for any P5 to show any interest.

The best thing for Tech and any other Big XII school not named UT and OU (maybe KU as well) is for the Big XII to keep the status quo.....Texas is happy, OU is happy and the rest get to keep their power status.

It's not like presence in a large market makes schools like TCU or Houston desirable as solo adds for other power conferences, so I'm not sure why you think "TTSA" would necessarily be.

If the state decided in 1923 to place Texas Tech in San Antonio instead of Lubbock and the same record, facilities, fan base and academic standing are in the Alamo city then Tech would look more attractive to a conference like the SEC as a solo addition. But it is what it is.

Wherever Texas ends up they'll always insist on being kings of the hill even if play on the field doesn't warrant it.

My sense is that OU and UT will get together before their GoR expires and make a decision from among several options.

Option 1. Stay together in the Big 12

Option 2. Stay together in the SEC

Option 3. Stay together in the B1G

Option 4. Part ways

Of these, I think Option 3 is the least likely. I believe the SEC would accept them as a pair. They would make that league a behemoth - head and shoulders above every other conference. The downside is that neither of these schools would be dominant in their new conference, and would have a much more difficult path to the CFP and even NY6.

If they choose to part ways, I believe only one of them would leave the Big 12. To me it would make more sense for UT and Texas Tech to go to the SEC, leaving the Big 12 at 8 members. They respond by adding UCF and staying at 9 members (and bringing the AAC down to 10). No other moves are likely in this scenario.

The other possibility is for OU and Oklahoma State to go to the SEC. That still puts UCF in play for the B12.

But at the end of the day, Option 1 still makes the most sense of all to me. In that case, I don't anticipate any changes to the P5 from the current alignment.

(08-09-2019 08:48 AM)ken d Wrote:  But at the end of the day, Option 1 still makes the most sense of all to me. In that case, I don't anticipate any changes to the P5 from the current alignment.

Agreed. When you think about it from a UT or OU perspective, it is by far the most logical choice.

(08-09-2019 08:48 AM)ken d Wrote:  My sense is that OU and UT will get together before their GoR expires and make a decision from among several options.

Option 1. Stay together in the Big 12

Option 2. Stay together in the SEC

Option 3. Stay together in the B1G

Option 4. Part ways

Of these, I think Option 3 is the least likely. I believe the SEC would accept them as a pair. They would make that league a behemoth - head and shoulders above every other conference. The downside is that neither of these schools would be dominant in their new conference, and would have a much more difficult path to the CFP and even NY6.

If they choose to part ways, I believe only one of them would leave the Big 12. To me it would make more sense for UT and Texas Tech to go to the SEC, leaving the Big 12 at 8 members. They respond by adding UCF and staying at 9 members (and bringing the AAC down to 10). No other moves are likely in this scenario.

The other possibility is for OU and Oklahoma State to go to the SEC. That still puts UCF in play for the B12.

But at the end of the day, Option 1 still makes the most sense of all to me. In that case, I don't anticipate any changes to the P5 from the current alignment.

Ken,
I think that both your option 2 and 3 are non-starters.
The only conference that would take both Oklahoma and Texas would be the PAC and then it would be out of survival.
If both went as a pair to either the SEC or the B1G it would alter their cultures to the point that they no longer would be recognized by the original teams in either conference. No commissioner would take that risk.
Oklahoma was not on the B1G's top 20 list when Nebraska was added, and there is no reason to believe that they are now. If they choose to leave the Big 12 the SEC is their most likely landing spot unless they travel to the PAC with Texas.
Texas as we all know isn't going to the SEC and has no reason to join the B1G. Texas already has the ability to schedule home and home games with Ohio State and Michigan and will refuse to waste away in Minnesota and Wisconsin.
Texas has three realistic options:
1-stay in the Big 12 with Oklahoma
2-go to the PAC with Oklahoma +2
3-take a partial Notre Dame style membership in the ACC (most likely with TCU in tow).

(08-09-2019 11:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  The only conference that would take both Oklahoma and Texas would be the PAC and then it would be out of survival.

You must be joking.

If OU and UT wanted to join any of those conferences together, the conference would take them instantly.