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(08-28-2019 09:26 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:52 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Looks like they are headed to the model where we have 2 permanent opponents every year and rotate our other 6 conference games.

I saw a site that projected everyone's permanent opponents (which I cant find again unfortunately) that had UC's 2 permanents as USF and Temple (yuck) . I would hope they hook us up with Memphis but I do see that logic in Temple (closest school for them ) and USF (conference mates since C-USA).

UC actually has a much longer rivalry with Memphis and I would think driving distances are pretty similar. But Temple and Navy are now alone out near the coast so UC has to fill the bill. It's not ideal, but it's life in the American until realignment occurs again.

I like Navy as a permanent opponent due to their name brand value, location and military service, but I'd hate to face all that chop blocking every season (see Perry Young last year). Another positive note we had a full house at Nippert last year when they came to town and put on a good show.

(08-28-2019 09:54 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 09:26 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:52 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Looks like they are headed to the model where we have 2 permanent opponents every year and rotate our other 6 conference games.

I saw a site that projected everyone's permanent opponents (which I cant find again unfortunately) that had UC's 2 permanents as USF and Temple (yuck) . I would hope they hook us up with Memphis but I do see that logic in Temple (closest school for them ) and USF (conference mates since C-USA).

UC actually has a much longer rivalry with Memphis and I would think driving distances are pretty similar. But Temple and Navy are now alone out near the coast so UC has to fill the bill. It's not ideal, but it's life in the American until realignment occurs again.

I like Navy as a permanent opponent due to their name brand value, location and military service, but I'd hate to face all that chop blocking every season (see Perry Young last year). Another positive note we had a full house at Nippert last year when they came to town and put on a good show.

If Navy's permanent opponents aren't ECU and Temple, then they clearly aren't doing it geographically. And personally, I like my defensive linemen and linebackers without multiple collateral ligament injuries, so I'd prefer not playing Navy every year.

IMO it would be as follows:

UCF: USF and ECU
USF: UCF and Tulane
Tulane: USF and Houston
Houston: Tulane and SMU
SMU: Houston and Tulsa
Tulsa: SMU and Memphis
Memphis: Tulsa and Cincinnati
Cincinnati: Memphis and Temple
Temple: Cincinnati and Navy
Navy: Temple and ECU
ECU: Navy and UCF

Gives everyone a regional opponent or traditional rival and a decent game (many times that's the same thing).

Either that or they go with pods as follows:

ECU, UCF, USF each plays the other two
Cincinnat, Navy, Temple each plays the other two
Then determine two-fer opponents for the remaining 5.

I expect USF to be with Cincinnati, tossup between Memphis and Temple.

To be honest they can make sure that teams like UCF, Houston, USF and Memphis stay on the schedule for next four to six seasons by making two of them locked and rotating the others off last. At that point another round of realignment kicks in and who knows what happens.

With this announcement, the conference is clearly signaling that they're going to do everything in their power to get a team in the NY6 every year...pitting UCF. USF, Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis against each other every year goes directly against that.

(08-28-2019 11:04 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  With this announcement, the conference is clearly signaling that they're going to do everything in their power to get a team in the NY6 every year...pitting UCF. USF, Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis against each other every year goes directly against that.

No it doesn’t. Those are quality wins for those teams. TV also demands quality games. They don’t want Cincinnati-Tulsa instead of Cincinnati-UCF.

2020 Bearcat Schedule
By deduction, Bearcats will play at Navy in 2020.
And host Navy in 2021.

From fbschedules.com

2020 Schedule
Sept 5 Austin Peay
Sept 12 WMU
Sept 19 at Miami
Sept 26 At Nebraska

Bearcats will play 8 AAC Games; all except two of these teams:

SMU
Tulane
Navy

UC is scheduled to play at UConn.
Of the three, only Navy hosts UConn
QED, the game is at Navy.

Bearcats get 6 home games, 6 away.

UConn can play BigEast teams Butler, Georgetown and Villanova
for all I care.

(08-28-2019 12:24 PM)CoachFickFan Wrote:  2020 Bearcat Schedule
By deduction, Bearcats will play at Navy in 2020.
And host Navy in 2021.

From fbschedules.com

2020 Schedule
Sept 5 Austin Peay
Sept 12 WMU
Sept 19 at Miami
Sept 26 At Nebraska

Bearcats will play 8 AAC Games; all except two of these teams:

SMU
Tulane
Navy

UC is scheduled to play at UConn.
Of the three, only Navy hosts UConn
QED, the game is at Navy.

Bearcats get 6 home games, 6 away.

UConn can play BigEast teams Butler, Georgetown and Villanova
for all I care.

The entire 2020 conference schedule is getting redone. It’s a new rotation so we could see teams play the same team on the road two years in a row.

No AAC team should play UConn until they are FCS then UConn will be a buy game.

(08-28-2019 11:16 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:04 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  With this announcement, the conference is clearly signaling that they're going to do everything in their power to get a team in the NY6 every year...pitting UCF. USF, Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis against each other every year goes directly against that.

No it doesn’t. Those are quality wins for those teams. TV also demands quality games. They don’t want Cincinnati-Tulsa instead of Cincinnati-UCF.

If you want your champion to make the NY6 every year, you want to maximize their chance to go undefeated...putting all the best teams against each other every year with no break would be completely antithetical to that.

(08-28-2019 07:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:16 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:04 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  With this announcement, the conference is clearly signaling that they're going to do everything in their power to get a team in the NY6 every year...pitting UCF. USF, Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis against each other every year goes directly against that.

No it doesn’t. Those are quality wins for those teams. TV also demands quality games. They don’t want Cincinnati-Tulsa instead of Cincinnati-UCF.

If you want your champion to make the NY6 every year, you want to maximize their chance to go undefeated...putting all the best teams against each other every year with no break would be completely antithetical to that.

Scheduling ranked teams against each helps with rankings and TV ratings. Outside of Boise State there isn’t a single team out there that plays aschedule needed and consistently wins to be a threat to steal that spot anyway.

The conference needs to schedule the best games possible and let the two best teams play for the championship at the end of the year. Remember how crappy it was to skip UCF the first two years of conference play. That really worked out for UC didn’t it.

(08-28-2019 08:12 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 07:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:16 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:04 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  With this announcement, the conference is clearly signaling that they're going to do everything in their power to get a team in the NY6 every year...pitting UCF. USF, Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis against each other every year goes directly against that.

No it doesn’t. Those are quality wins for those teams. TV also demands quality games. They don’t want Cincinnati-Tulsa instead of Cincinnati-UCF.

If you want your champion to make the NY6 every year, you want to maximize their chance to go undefeated...putting all the best teams against each other every year with no break would be completely antithetical to that.

Scheduling ranked teams against each helps with rankings and TV ratings. Outside of Boise State there isn’t a single team out there that plays aschedule needed and consistently wins to be a threat to steal that spot anyway.

The conference needs to schedule the best games possible and let the two best teams play for the championship at the end of the year. Remember how crappy it was to skip UCF the first two years of conference play. That really worked out for UC didn’t it.

Not saying it wouldnt suck from our perspective, but that doesnt matter. It worked out for the conference...which is who makes the decisions. If our goal is to be the 6th "power" conference, we need to completely lock down that NY6 bowl spot every year. Having all of the good teams play each other would increase the chance that our champion has multiple losses, which would decrease the chance to make that game. That is literally all that matters to a conference that just locked up a TV deal for 8 years.

(08-28-2019 10:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:12 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 07:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:16 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:04 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  With this announcement, the conference is clearly signaling that they're going to do everything in their power to get a team in the NY6 every year...pitting UCF. USF, Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis against each other every year goes directly against that.

No it doesn’t. Those are quality wins for those teams. TV also demands quality games. They don’t want Cincinnati-Tulsa instead of Cincinnati-UCF.

If you want your champion to make the NY6 every year, you want to maximize their chance to go undefeated...putting all the best teams against each other every year with no break would be completely antithetical to that.

Scheduling ranked teams against each helps with rankings and TV ratings. Outside of Boise State there isn’t a single team out there that plays aschedule needed and consistently wins to be a threat to steal that spot anyway.

The conference needs to schedule the best games possible and let the two best teams play for the championship at the end of the year. Remember how crappy it was to skip UCF the first two years of conference play. That really worked out for UC didn’t it.

Not saying it wouldnt suck from our perspective, but that doesnt matter. It worked out for the conference...which is who makes the decisions. If our goal is to be the 6th "power" conference, we need to completely lock down that NY6 bowl spot every year. Having all of the good teams play each other would increase the chance that our champion has multiple losses, which would decrease the chance to make that game. That is literally all that matters to a conference that just locked up a TV deal for 8 years.

I agree with you argument, but the drawback of avoiding those matchups is the conference loses out on the games that would likely have the best viewership numbers. This would likely have a negative effect on the next TV deal.

(08-28-2019 10:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:12 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 07:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:16 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:04 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  With this announcement, the conference is clearly signaling that they're going to do everything in their power to get a team in the NY6 every year...pitting UCF. USF, Cincinnati, Houston, and Memphis against each other every year goes directly against that.

No it doesn’t. Those are quality wins for those teams. TV also demands quality games. They don’t want Cincinnati-Tulsa instead of Cincinnati-UCF.

If you want your champion to make the NY6 every year, you want to maximize their chance to go undefeated...putting all the best teams against each other every year with no break would be completely antithetical to that.

Scheduling ranked teams against each helps with rankings and TV ratings. Outside of Boise State there isn’t a single team out there that plays aschedule needed and consistently wins to be a threat to steal that spot anyway.

The conference needs to schedule the best games possible and let the two best teams play for the championship at the end of the year. Remember how crappy it was to skip UCF the first two years of conference play. That really worked out for UC didn’t it.

Not saying it wouldnt suck from our perspective, but that doesnt matter. It worked out for the conference...which is who makes the decisions. If our goal is to be the 6th "power" conference, we need to completely lock down that NY6 bowl spot every year. Having all of the good teams play each other would increase the chance that our champion has multiple losses, which would decrease the chance to make that game. That is literally all that matters to a conference that just locked up a TV deal for 8 years.

Bolded, I agree. That represents a substantial revenue bump, but more than that, after the American starts earning that bowl bid every year (and winning regularly) it reinforces the P6 narrative prior to possible playoff expansion.

(08-29-2019 07:27 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 10:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:12 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 07:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 11:16 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  No it doesn’t. Those are quality wins for those teams. TV also demands quality games. They don’t want Cincinnati-Tulsa instead of Cincinnati-UCF.

If you want your champion to make the NY6 every year, you want to maximize their chance to go undefeated...putting all the best teams against each other every year with no break would be completely antithetical to that.

Scheduling ranked teams against each helps with rankings and TV ratings. Outside of Boise State there isn’t a single team out there that plays aschedule needed and consistently wins to be a threat to steal that spot anyway.

The conference needs to schedule the best games possible and let the two best teams play for the championship at the end of the year. Remember how crappy it was to skip UCF the first two years of conference play. That really worked out for UC didn’t it.

Not saying it wouldnt suck from our perspective, but that doesnt matter. It worked out for the conference...which is who makes the decisions. If our goal is to be the 6th "power" conference, we need to completely lock down that NY6 bowl spot every year. Having all of the good teams play each other would increase the chance that our champion has multiple losses, which would decrease the chance to make that game. That is literally all that matters to a conference that just locked up a TV deal for 8 years.

I agree with you argument, but the drawback of avoiding those matchups is the conference loses out on the games that would likely have the best viewership numbers. This would likely have a negative effect on the next TV deal.

It's a teeter-totter effect...would the rise in prominence from continued exposure and potential wins in P6 bowls help our contract negotiations more than losing 100,000 viewers in 4 potential games a season? I'm not sure...that's why I'm not getting paid $5,000,000 to run the conference

To my mind, the conference needs to keep interest and buzz all season. Playing in some tough conference games will not only generate interest but it will help the cream of the conference rise to the top. What about attendance at the Nip? We need some games against ranked conference opponents. It just seems "small time" IMO to purposefully schedule "avoidance."

(08-29-2019 07:56 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  To my mind, the conference needs to keep interest and buzz all season. Playing in some tough conference games will not only generate interest but it will help the cream of the conference rise to the top. What about attendance at the Nip? We need some games against ranked conference opponents. It just seems "small time" IMO to purposefully schedule "avoidance."

The issue is definitely a two edged sword. Considering Cincy's tough conference schedule this year, could UC and UCF both lose a couple to quality AAC opponents and watch an undefeated MAC school in the access bowl? That doesn't seem like a positive development for the American.

This is yet another example of a system rigged against the G5. Unfortunately, what we're really discussing is trying to find a way to "game the system" so to speak.

(08-29-2019 09:46 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 07:56 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  To my mind, the conference needs to keep interest and buzz all season. Playing in some tough conference games will not only generate interest but it will help the cream of the conference rise to the top. What about attendance at the Nip? We need some games against ranked conference opponents. It just seems "small time" IMO to purposefully schedule "avoidance."

The issue is definitely a two edged sword. Considering Cincy's tough conference schedule this year, could UC and UCF both lose a couple to quality AAC opponents and watch an undefeated MAC school in the access bowl? That doesn't seem like a positive development for the American.

This is yet another example of a system rigged against the G5. Unfortunately, what we're really discussing is trying to find a way to "game the system" so to speak.

Whos made the Access Bowl outside of the AAC? What would necessarily change? Hell, the AAC champ could go undefeated. UCF did just that.

(08-29-2019 10:13 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 09:46 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 07:56 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  To my mind, the conference needs to keep interest and buzz all season. Playing in some tough conference games will not only generate interest but it will help the cream of the conference rise to the top. What about attendance at the Nip? We need some games against ranked conference opponents. It just seems "small time" IMO to purposefully schedule "avoidance."

The issue is definitely a two edged sword. Considering Cincy's tough conference schedule this year, could UC and UCF both lose a couple to quality AAC opponents and watch an undefeated MAC school in the access bowl? That doesn't seem like a positive development for the American.

This is yet another example of a system rigged against the G5. Unfortunately, what we're really discussing is trying to find a way to "game the system" so to speak.

Whos made the Access Bowl outside of the AAC? What would necessarily change? Hell, the AAC champ could go undefeated. UCF did just that.

2014: Boise State
2015: Houston
2016: Western Michigan
2017: UCF
2018: UCF

So we're at a 60% hit rate.

(08-29-2019 10:53 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 10:13 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 09:46 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 07:56 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  To my mind, the conference needs to keep interest and buzz all season. Playing in some tough conference games will not only generate interest but it will help the cream of the conference rise to the top. What about attendance at the Nip? We need some games against ranked conference opponents. It just seems "small time" IMO to purposefully schedule "avoidance."

The issue is definitely a two edged sword. Considering Cincy's tough conference schedule this year, could UC and UCF both lose a couple to quality AAC opponents and watch an undefeated MAC school in the access bowl? That doesn't seem like a positive development for the American.

This is yet another example of a system rigged against the G5. Unfortunately, what we're really discussing is trying to find a way to "game the system" so to speak.

Whos made the Access Bowl outside of the AAC? What would necessarily change? Hell, the AAC champ could go undefeated. UCF did just that.

2014: Boise State
2015: Houston
2016: Western Michigan
2017: UCF
2018: UCF

So we're at a 60% hit rate.

But the trend is moving to the American. Big news today is that it looks like Boise State vs Florida State will be played this weekend and moved to the home field of FSU instead of Jacksonville. Canceled games equals inside track for Boise. Loss eliminates them while a win puts them second behind UCF.

How to determine championship teams if the following in 2020 without divisions: UCF 10-2 (8-0 in conference) ranked 14.
UC 10-2 (7-1 in conference) ranked 20. One conference loss was to Memphis.
Memphis 9-3 (6-2 in conference) ranked 17.

Who is in the conference championship game?

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