(02-11-2024 07:58 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 08:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 05:35 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 02:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 11:46 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Well, the ACC extracted $15M from Carolina taxpayers when HQ were moved to Charlotte. In return, Carolina taxpayers extracted more friendly venues for their local universities’ basketball teams. There is nothing that epitomizes the importance of Tobacco Road basketball more than this deal.

$15 Million wasted. ACC offices should have remained in Greensboro.

Whereas I agree it would have been fine if the the offices staying in Greensboro, the $15 million for expanded neutral site championships was a good deal for the tax payers.

Of course I say that as a Virginia Tax payer and rabid ACC fan.

Greensboro gets two of the next three men's tournaments. It will probably be the last two.
The women's tournament which has been held in Greensboro for around the last 20 years, is now going to be shared with Charlotte. The ACC has yet to announce the location of the 2026 women's tournament.

People keep predicting the end of tournaments in Greensboro and it keeps not happening.

https://greensboro.com/opinion/editorial...8573b.html


'Yet, as good as all this may sound at first blush, it still feels in the end like getting a third-place trophy.

By all rights, Greensboro ought to be hosting the lion’s share of ACC tournaments. We’ve earned the privilege. We do it better and appreciate it more than anyone else. But it’s not clear that the ACC agrees.

The two newly announced dates for Greensboro simply fulfill obligations the ACC already had to the city as part of a state Department of Commerce incentives deal. Beyond that, who knows?'

(02-11-2024 11:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 11:12 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 01:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 08:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 05:35 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Whereas I agree it would have been fine if the the offices staying in Greensboro, the $15 million for expanded neutral site championships was a good deal for the tax payers.

Of course I say that as a Virginia Tax payer and rabid ACC fan.

Greensboro gets two of the next three men's tournaments. It will probably be the last two.
The women's tournament which has been held in Greensboro for around the last 20 years, is now going to be shared with Charlotte. The ACC has yet to announce the location of the 2026 women's tournament.

Something wicked this way comes

Obviously there is a lot that needs to develop, but I have to wonder if a hostile takeover of MSG in the 30’s is on the horizon. Depending on how things shake out, UConn could be a viable candidate and we end up with MSG deciding between:

BC, UConn, Syracuse, and Notre Dame

Vs

Providence, St. John’s, Seton Hall, and Villanova

IMO ^^^^ This is exactly what is wrong with collegiate athletics.

We have become much more concerned about how others perceive us as opposed to how we view ourselves.

Why should the ACC give a **** about MSG? Are we holding championship for the media or for the schools/teams/players?

There are ACC schools in the Northeast and fans as well. I know it usually falls on deaf ears at this board but imagine ACC men's basketball now if UConn were in the ACC and they won the national championship and the Big East without them and Villanova without Jay Wright and Marquette getting bounced in the 2nd round. If the ACC grabbed UConn they can absolutely take over the Northeast for ACC men's basketball fandom while still owning the state of North Carolina. Take both UConn and Villanova (if they ever get good again) and the Big East becomes a mid major.

Only catering to one state and a certain state's schools will make you a regional conference unless those schools do well nationally. Now banking on UNC and Duke men's basketball is usually a good bet but last year the Tar Heels missed the NCAAT altogether and Duke lost in the 2nd round. If the ACC wants to expand their fan base, they can't just say we only care about North Carolina and no one else. It's like the SEC who only cares about the "Southeast" (or actually only the "South", I don't think the SEC cares about anything East north of the Mason Dixon line). The Big Ten doesn't just care about their core fan base. They added the #1 football school in the East Coast and some of the biggest schools on the West Coast. If I'm in the Northeast, am I going to follow the ACC which doesn't care about me, the SEC which doesn't care about me, or the Big Ten that does? Same thing about California (although the ACC did add the Bay Area schools). Now people will follow SEC football as long as they win. Who won the last football national championship again?

(02-11-2024 11:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  Why should the ACC give a **** about MSG? Are we holding championship for the media or for the schools/teams/players?

the media is the one who pays.

(02-12-2024 12:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 11:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  Why should the ACC give a **** about MSG? Are we holding championship for the media or for the schools/teams/players?

the media is the one who pays.

I don’t believe that MSG is a priority for the ACC…but if the venue is obtainable, it would help a lot of ACC basketball programs.

MSG for basketball is like the Rose Bowl in football. It’s an iconic venue that helps the media partner promote matchups. Big donors could schedule regular visits. Potential recruits would understand the branding and exposure advantages.

(02-12-2024 07:15 AM)schmolik Wrote:  There are ACC schools in the Northeast and fans as well. I know it usually falls on deaf ears at this board but imagine ACC men's basketball now if UConn were in the ACC and they won the national championship and the Big East without them and Villanova without Jay Wright and Marquette getting bounced in the 2nd round. If the ACC grabbed UConn they can absolutely take over the Northeast for ACC men's basketball fandom while still owning the state of North Carolina. Take both UConn and Villanova (if they ever get good again) and the Big East becomes a mid major.

Only catering to one state and a certain state's schools will make you a regional conference unless those schools do well nationally. Now banking on UNC and Duke men's basketball is usually a good bet but last year the Tar Heels missed the NCAAT altogether and Duke lost in the 2nd round. If the ACC wants to expand their fan base, they can't just say we only care about North Carolina and no one else. It's like the SEC who only cares about the "Southeast" (or actually only the "South", I don't think the SEC cares about anything East north of the Mason Dixon line). The Big Ten doesn't just care about their core fan base. They added the #1 football school in the East Coast and some of the biggest schools on the West Coast. If I'm in the Northeast, am I going to follow the ACC which doesn't care about me, the SEC which doesn't care about me, or the Big Ten that does? Same thing about California (although the ACC did add the Bay Area schools). Now people will follow SEC football as long as they win. Who won the last football national championship again?

They did?

Who was that? Bama, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Miami, UGA, Clemson? Because they all rate better than PSU if that's who you're referring to.

(02-12-2024 09:35 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(02-12-2024 07:15 AM)schmolik Wrote:  There are ACC schools in the Northeast and fans as well. I know it usually falls on deaf ears at this board but imagine ACC men's basketball now if UConn were in the ACC and they won the national championship and the Big East without them and Villanova without Jay Wright and Marquette getting bounced in the 2nd round. If the ACC grabbed UConn they can absolutely take over the Northeast for ACC men's basketball fandom while still owning the state of North Carolina. Take both UConn and Villanova (if they ever get good again) and the Big East becomes a mid major.

Only catering to one state and a certain state's schools will make you a regional conference unless those schools do well nationally. Now banking on UNC and Duke men's basketball is usually a good bet but last year the Tar Heels missed the NCAAT altogether and Duke lost in the 2nd round. If the ACC wants to expand their fan base, they can't just say we only care about North Carolina and no one else. It's like the SEC who only cares about the "Southeast" (or actually only the "South", I don't think the SEC cares about anything East north of the Mason Dixon line). The Big Ten doesn't just care about their core fan base. They added the #1 football school in the East Coast and some of the biggest schools on the West Coast. If I'm in the Northeast, am I going to follow the ACC which doesn't care about me, the SEC which doesn't care about me, or the Big Ten that does? Same thing about California (although the ACC did add the Bay Area schools). Now people will follow SEC football as long as they win. Who won the last football national championship again?

They did?

Who was that? Bama, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Miami, UGA, Clemson? Because they all rate better than PSU if that's who you're referring to.

Maybe he meant "#1 football independent not named Florida State, Miami, or Notre Dame"?

(02-12-2024 07:15 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 11:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 11:12 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 01:46 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 08:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  Greensboro gets two of the next three men's tournaments. It will probably be the last two.
The women's tournament which has been held in Greensboro for around the last 20 years, is now going to be shared with Charlotte. The ACC has yet to announce the location of the 2026 women's tournament.

Something wicked this way comes

Obviously there is a lot that needs to develop, but I have to wonder if a hostile takeover of MSG in the 30’s is on the horizon. Depending on how things shake out, UConn could be a viable candidate and we end up with MSG deciding between:

BC, UConn, Syracuse, and Notre Dame

Vs

Providence, St. John’s, Seton Hall, and Villanova

IMO ^^^^ This is exactly what is wrong with collegiate athletics.

We have become much more concerned about how others perceive us as opposed to how we view ourselves.

Why should the ACC give a **** about MSG? Are we holding championship for the media or for the schools/teams/players?

There are ACC schools in the Northeast and fans as well. I know it usually falls on deaf ears at this board but imagine ACC men's basketball now if UConn were in the ACC and they won the national championship and the Big East without them and Villanova without Jay Wright and Marquette getting bounced in the 2nd round. If the ACC grabbed UConn they can absolutely take over the Northeast for ACC men's basketball fandom while still owning the state of North Carolina. Take both UConn and Villanova (if they ever get good again) and the Big East becomes a mid major.

Only catering to one state and a certain state's schools will make you a regional conference unless those schools do well nationally. Now banking on UNC and Duke men's basketball is usually a good bet but last year the Tar Heels missed the NCAAT altogether and Duke lost in the 2nd round. If the ACC wants to expand their fan base, they can't just say we only care about North Carolina and no one else. It's like the SEC who only cares about the "Southeast" (or actually only the "South", I don't think the SEC cares about anything East north of the Mason Dixon line). The Big Ten doesn't just care about their core fan base. They added the #1 football school in the East Coast and some of the biggest schools on the West Coast. If I'm in the Northeast, am I going to follow the ACC which doesn't care about me, the SEC which doesn't care about me, or the Big Ten that does? Same thing about California (although the ACC did add the Bay Area schools). Now people will follow SEC football as long as they win. Who won the last football national championship again?

North Carolina has always been the fulcrum of the ACC.
Originally it was UVa and Maryland up and South Carolina and Clemson down.
Then after operating at 7 for a while it was UVa and Maryland up and Clemson and GT down.
When the ACC expanded beyond 8, there were 4 votes to add Syracuse and 4 to add FSU which still would have left the State of NC in the middle. An imbalance was created when only FSU joined, with another created with the addition of multiple Big East schools, however before the addition of SMU, Cal and Stanford the center point of the ACC still resided in Reidsville, NC (a town about 20 miles north of Greensboro, just short of the Virginia line).

In North Carolina there are 100 Counties. The lines were drawn so that the County Seat would be as close to the center of the County as possible, and the size of the County was limited so that no person would have to travel more than a one day's buggy ride from the County Seat if they needed to record "official business".

At it's founding the Conference adopted the same philosophy, you put things in the middle to make it convenient as possible for those coming from opposite directions.
While there are some that think this line of thinking is showing favoritism to one State, it was actually born out of consideration for the whole.