When Harbaugh lashed out at media day against Urban Meyer (who’s designing a 7-0 room at his new restaurant to signify his record against Michigan), it wasn’t the only wave he caused.

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Given how Harbaugh portrays himself in interviews, this take on his demeanor behind closed doors doesn't surprise me. Jim Harbaugh comes off as petty and arrogant in this whole James Hudson fiasco.

Never understood the respect for Harbaugh as a coach (because of stuff like the Sherman thing). He can be a monster.

(07-21-2019 11:34 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Given how Harbaugh portrays himself in interviews, this take on his demeanor behind closed doors doesn't surprise me. Jim Harbaugh comes off as petty and arrogant in this whole James Hudson fiasco.

I agree with this, but .... even though it is for probably self-serving reasons, Harbaugh does highlight an uncomfortable truth, which is that, because we still lack scientific rigor and certainty in diagnosing mental disorders, these can be "gamed" to take advantage of situations, such as criminal proceedings, but now also the NCAA transfer rules. And let's face it - speaking generally and not about this specific Michigan situation, at least some people will try to game situations to get away with stuff.

It's just a fact that, e.g., while it is extremely hard to get away with claiming you have cancer when you really do not, it is far easier to claim you are depressed or otherwise have a mental illness when you do not, because of the difference in medical science certainty in diagnosing these conditions. If I claim I have bone cancer, or that I am pregnant, there are tests which can basically prove whether that is true or not. If i claim I am bi-polar or depressed, that cannot be resolved with the same degree of certainty, and the chances that different psychologists or therapists will disagree is much higher, and in the end nobody knows for sure.

(07-21-2019 11:34 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Given how Harbaugh portrays himself in interviews, this take on his demeanor behind closed doors doesn't surprise me. Jim Harbaugh comes off as petty and arrogant in this whole James Hudson fiasco.

How do we know what his demeanor was behind closed doors unless we were in the room? As far as I can tell, his public comments about this particular situation weren't especially unreasonable. And what is the underlying issue here? It doesn't seem to be about whether the athlete can transfer. Only about whether he should be granted a waiver to permit him to be immediately eligible. Is it so unreasonable for an athlete suffering from depression to take a year off from competing to learn to better deal with his condition without the added stress of competition?

Harbaugh bashing is easy - this situation isn't.

I'm trying to imagine how this situation would be playing out if the shoe were on the other foot. What if, instead of this being a Michigan player transferring to Cincinnati, it were the other way around? And in that scenario, it wasn't a UC psychiatrist who made the depression diagnosis to support the request for a waiver from the NCAA, it was a UM psychiatrist.

Which would be the more likely response on this forum - a thread castigating the UC coach for being insensitive, or one castigating Harbaugh for gaming the transfer system?

Quote:Glenda has a master’s degree in counseling in addition to a degree in social work. She’s been dealing with the issue of mental health for years...

She believed her son was depressed so she scheduled a meeting with his football coach? She has a master's degree. With all the options available to get help for her son, why would she chose the a football coach? If you made a list of people that could help, I would think football coach would be on page 26.

I still don't like Harbaugh.

Harbaugh has only lasted 4-5 years in any one place. He was basically the savior at both Stanford Cardinal (it proved to have legs when a "lifer" David Shaw followed up) and San Francisco 49ers (less competent management) and now we are entering uncharted land at Michigan.

At the 49ers he managed to get in petty feuds over nothing. Rub every person in management the wrong way. I mean he was nearly worshiped here, and he turned the entire organization sour, including some players, despite his success. It's as if he has a self destruct button he just has to push.

I have come to realize that on the people level, many (most) successful coaches are jerks, Urban Meyer clearly had jerk in him, and some of his conditioning stuff is bush league mentality -- like the stunts he pulled at Florida (I suspect we'll find out about similar crap at tOSU soon enough -- we got a scratch of that with his wife beating receivers coach; actually that is more his management chaos/incompetence). I think these guys start to believe a run of luck is because of their personal superiority and not shear dumb luck plus better talent on the field. (Chip Kelly comes to mind).

Anyway this doesn't surprise me, it's the baggage that comes with having Harbaugh. He absolutely has to be tOSU this year or things could go sour again, with him inventing enemies inside Blue-land.

(no don't feel sour)

(07-22-2019 11:34 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  

Quote:Glenda has a master’s degree in counseling in addition to a degree in social work. She’s been dealing with the issue of mental health for years...

She believed her son was depressed so she scheduled a meeting with his football coach? She has a master's degree. With all the options available to get help for her son, why would she chose the a football coach? If you made a list of people that could help, I would think football coach would be on page 26.

I still don't like Harbaugh.

Off-hand.
1. May believe that culture of the football team is having an impact.
2. May need football to provide some accommodations.
3. May want the carrot and stick functions that coaches have to backup the kid's compliance with treatment.
4. Coaches need to be alert for symptoms, value in making them aware of the situation since they have a great deal of interaction, more than all the kid's instructors combined.
5. May have wanted to see if the coaches had observed any symptoms.

Lot of reasons to meet with coach.