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This saga has been ongoing. Ron Bell is a nutcase. Josh Pastner is an idiot for building a relationship with this guy. I read some new things in this article I had not heard/read before... https://www.ajc.com/news/public-affairs/...xv71BpYjO/

We'll see if this changes anything. Maybe not. Maybe it will and should.

I think the general consensus among GT folks is they want to see Pastner gone - though, not necessarily for this saga - but, GT is in the red financially, has expended a momentous amount of funds on Geoff Collins and his staff, and are unlikely to let Pastner go unless 1) there is such deep evidence that he has lied and NCAA probations are forthcoming and 2) there are clauses in his contract that release GT from having to pay him significant amounts of monies by firing him (with cause).
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RE: Atlanta Journal-Constitution article on Josh Pastner
We simply do not have the ability to fire Pastner right now with the buyouts in place.
The "Rainy Day Fund" is gone at the moment thanks to football and will take a few years to replace.
Ron Bell is scum. Josh Pastner may not be far behind.
I don't think the GTAA is in the red financially. I think there's some accounting things going on that make it look that way but the GTAA operates in the black. Last time I saw numbers, which admittedly was several years ago, GTAA operations were in the black but depreciation on assets shifted the overall financials to the red. On a side note I think this is common among athletic associations.
Pastner is definitely on a short leash at the moment. He needs a big year this coming season or we may find a way to oust him, buyout or not. If the NCAA comes calling with violations, severe ones, he's gone with no buyout. That might be a dream.
Given the lack of success and the poor recruiting class this past season, it ain't looking good for him.
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RE: Atlanta Journal-Constitution article on Josh Pastner
This Tape might be a way for Georgia Tech to fire Coach Josh Pastner like they did to the Women's Coach Michelle Joseph... We will see, if not
it is extremely unlikely Pastner would be fired before year 5. His initial contract from Bobinski was for 6 years starting at $1.6M and topping off at $2.2M in yr. 6. The buyout was 100% guaranteed for the first 3 yrs., 75% in years 4 and 5 and 60% in year 6. After his first year which wildly exceeded expectations the new AD Todd Stansbury made modifications to the contract. A 7th yr. was added at $2.4M. A $500K retention bonus was added after year 5 and the buyout was pushed a year, so the contract is 100% guaranteed though yr. 4, dropping to 75% in yrs. 5 and 6 and 60% in yr. 7. One note about these changes. None of them increased Pastner's salary in the short term and all of the changes basically go into effect after Hewitt's buyout is off the books. His Salary for the rest of his contract is

Yr. 4 - $1.9M
Yr. 5 - $2.0M
Yr. 6 - $2.2M
Yr. 7 - $2.4M

Finally let’s look at how Pastner's contract affects when to make a decision.

If you decide to replace Pastner after year 4, he would be owed 100% of his remaining contract or $6.6M. That is a big hit and would likely significantly impact how much money you have to hire a new coach causing you to go the "inexpensive" route again. Keep in mind right now Pastner is the second lowest paid coach in the ACC with only Jim Christian being paid less (In that sense I guess he has outperformed his salary). If you want to hire a 'better' coach, you need to be thinking of offering $3M+ per year avg to have a shot at that.

If he is here at the end of season 5 - the buyout would drop to $3.45M. If you retain him, he is owed a $500K retention bonus and he has only 2 yrs. left on his contract likely meaning a fire or extend decision needs to be made. By waiting until year 5 to make a decision the AD is effectively saving the AA over $1M (not including the $500K he would not pay out) and also allowing the rainy day fund to be replenished some.

All these reasons are why imo Pastner will be here through year 5 and then a decision will be made after the end of Yr. 5.....Unless they can use the latest stuff the AJC is reporting and fire his butt for cause!!

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RE: Atlanta Journal-Constitution article on Josh Pastner
If that happened over in Chapel Hill, they would have been able to cover it up. You need to run up here and take lessons from them.
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RE: Atlanta Journal-Constitution article on Josh Pastner
If I were Todd Stansbury I would use whatever crafty language or moves necessary to make Eric Reveno the acting head coach and Josh Pastner an assistant. Reveno is the only guy on that staff I respect. Reveno has proven he can coach up bigs reliably. His tenure as a HC at Portland State wasn't too good though, so I don't think he's ACC HC material at this time. But he is unquestionably a great person to coach your bigs. Naturally Pastner compensated for having such a great bigs coach .... but fielding a team this year with ONLY ONE BIG MAN ON THE ROSTER.

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RE: Atlanta Journal-Constitution article on Josh Pastner
FWIW, Kentucky is advising GT will visit Rupp Arena on Dec. 14th this season and the Cats will make a return trip to Atlanta the following season on Nov. 27th.
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RE: Atlanta Journal-Constitution article on Josh Pastner
Count this Cardinal fan as STILL BAFFLED as to Why on EARTH did you hire the guy to begin with....?!?!?04-chairshot

He was already on the hot seat at memphis st. with a Huge buyout to boot...?!04-jawdrop
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(07-23-2019 02:40 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  Count this Cardinal fan as STILL BAFFLED as to Why on EARTH did you hire the guy to begin with....?!?!?04-chairshot

He was already on the hot seat at memphis st. with a Huge buyout to boot...?!04-jawdrop

Because former AD, Mike Bobinski, also known among Tech faithful as Sasquatch due to rarely being seen in public, is an idiot. I estimate over 90% of the Tech fanbase - at least those that aren't so apathetic they have given up (and will admit it) - are asking the exact same questions you are.

The 03-lmfao you/we all hear is coming from Memphis. Tigers fans were doing this COGS when Pastner left (on Memphis' dime too). GT folks are now understanding why.

Having said all that, he has a chance at having one of his best teams so far in what will be his 4th season this upcoming winter. I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing in the long run to be truthful. GT MBB is so far down a 16- or 17-win season would be viewed as a step up. *SIGH*
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(07-23-2019 02:40 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  Count this Cardinal fan as STILL BAFFLED as to Why on EARTH did you hire the guy to begin with....?!?!?04-chairshot

He was already on the hot seat at memphis st. with a Huge buyout to boot...?!04-jawdrop
Incompetent AD who is now at Purdue, thank beejesus. The Pastner hire blowback is what sent Bobinski packing btw. So if Memphis paying GT $1m/yr for three and tanking the hoops program is the cost to eliminate Bobinski then so be it.

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RE: Atlanta Journal-Constitution article on Josh Pastner
More mess in Atlanta...

...now former (and fired) WBB HC, Machelle Joseph, has filed lawsuit against a bunch of GT folks...

https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/mache...neTllOX0I/

I think a lot of GT faithful expected this to eventually happen so no major surprise. Whether she wins or not, settles out of court, or whatever remains to be seen. For certain, yet another dark cloud hanging over the GT Athletics program that could drag out for a long time (like this Pastner thing continues to do).

Any of you want to coach basketball at Georgia Tech? Or, coach anything?

Naaaaah, I didn't think so.

Sheesh.

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Good luck with that for Joseph. The review GT had conducted before termination of her contract was by an independent and highly reputable third party and included testimony from her players current and former that she was abusive.

And since she was genius enough to list the USG Board of Regents in the lawsuit, GT probably won't even have to spend very much in defense. Some of the stuff in there is childish:

Quote:According to the lawsuit, for example, the women’s team locker room was of “substandard quality” and had not received any major upgrades in Joseph’s 18 years at Tech (16 as head coach), while the men’s locker room area was much larger and had been regularly upgraded. At the time of Joseph’s firing, for example, the women’s lockers were dated and broken and the laundry room had one washer and one dryer, where the men’s locker area had new lockers, three washers and four dryers.

Quick question for Joseph: Does she think the WBB team brings in even 25% of the revenue of the men's team? I bet that figure is closer to 5%. So a 1:4 split on facilities is actually very generous in HER direction.
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The lawsuit goes away if Pastner is fired.....Just Saying
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RE: Atlanta Journal-Constitution article on Josh Pastner
They might be better off waiting, in terms of quality of coach they can attract, given what their options appeared to be when they hired Pastner.

If Geoff Collins can make real headway in his efforts to reposition GT as "Atlanta's team", basketball could benefit. That's a monumental task in football...but shouldn't be for basketball. If I'm a prospective coach and I see Collins making actual headway, I would be salivating for how well it could be leveraged for basketball.

I think right now GT has a weird aura around it nationally, like it's a place that you can't REALLY win...either due to location, academics, or what. It shouldn't be that way for basketball, but there didn't seem to be tremendous interest in the job when Pastner was hired. I think if Collins can succeed with better recruiting, a more modern offense, etc...that might help the overall image of the department.
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