RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
and to more closely answer your question. We actually have identified three possible locations. 2 on campus and one directly across the street. We prefer the one across the street for many reasons but we have to work with the City since they own the land.
Yes, we have done a study and we have a design that was done. Its a good looking stadium.
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
(07-23-2019 01:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:
(07-23-2019 09:34 AM)panite Wrote: When is USF going to build an OCS. Where do plans and funding stand for the OCS. Or is the university staying in a pro stadium like Miami and Temple.
We looked hard at when to build it and what it comes down to is our President at the time is very cautious. Shes a VERY smart woman who most dont realize but is incredibly wealthy. In fact after being our Presidnet for 19 years on her last day donated $25 million back to USF to form a new honors college... but I digress.
Her research came back that there is too much instability in college sports to invest the type of money we would spend on a stadium. We wont build mediocre junk, and teh stadium we are looking at is $200-250 million.
I think the line of thinking right now is that an OCS is a luxery since one of the nicest NFL stadiums is less than 8 miles away and our lease isnt costly. We make good money and until the next round of realignment happens, it wasnt fiscally responsible to tap into our endowment or increase student fees to make this happen.
Other schools fans rip on us for it, but we have many recruits who actualy really like the experience. Yes, it sucks being in that large of a stadium when we arent doing well, but the atmosphere cant be matched when we are doing well. When you have nearly 70K fans packed in screaming, its amazing.
So a blessing and a curse. For a young program, this works for now. This increase in contract TV money will help, but our new president may also decide to wait till 2025. See where the chips land. If we get invited to a bigger conference, then it makes sense to invest and build that stadium. If are still here, then we may scale back.
I am all for waiting. I love ray jay even with the damn pirate ship. Were young, were constantly underdogs and weve done well for where we are at. I like that Ive been here from inception. Not many fans can say they saw their program start as a trailer on an empty field... and when we do get an OCS, I get to see that too. I am the first generation of Bulls fans for football. Its kinda cool.
Thanks for your well thought out detailed answer. Beats the "AH ****" answer above to a serious question as to where USF stood with any action toward an OCS. Personally I enjoy watching Temple in the LINC as opposed to attempting travel up and down Broad Street on Game Day. Will wait and see on both schools OCS's especially with an uncertain future around 2025 and potential realignment with what ever the B-12 does. Good luck this season.
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
(07-23-2019 01:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote: and to more closely answer your question. We actually have identified three possible locations. 2 on campus and one directly across the street. We prefer the one across the street for many reasons but we have to work with the City since they own the land.
Yes, we have done a study and we have a design that was done. Its a good looking stadium.
Thanks again. I thought USF was working on some potential locations but could not remember where since the OCS issue has drop out of the public eye like the issue up north in Philly. Basically total silence on both schools OCS's.
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
The bigger issue is that USF needs a big power donor, a Tillman Fertitta type who will really drive the program. Some have made the argument for Jeff Vinik, but Vinik planted his money in downtown Tampa and he's already helping a ton with the medical school.
UCF gets around it because their stadium is built and they're in the middle of one of the most successful runs of all time. When USF had its first big run Woolard wasted it back in the late '00s by building up Olympic faciities (and with the exception of basketball that was a little ridiculous).
If USF could get $50M from each of the six billionaires in the Tampa Bay area the OCS would break ground in under a year I suspect.
I personally believe the stadium needs to be adaptable to some form of multi-use so it can be used year round. To cite a slightly ludicrous example, the ICC has been pushing cricket in America and they need a big ground that could host matches January and February for both USA cricket and also for big teams from abroad to come play-I'm fairly sure a match between India and the West Indies or England would sell out, as would any team from the subcontinent. You could even put in a CPL franchise for the late summer (yes, I know, Florida has so much rain it would be difficult that time of year). Then when football season rolls around you plant student bleachers in the extra space-and that's a huge home field advantages as your loudest fans are right on top of the field.
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
(07-24-2019 09:25 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote: The bigger issue is that USF needs a big power donor, a Tillman Fertitta type who will really drive the program. Some have made the argument for Jeff Vinik, but Vinik planted his money in downtown Tampa and he's already helping a ton with the medical school.
UCF gets around it because their stadium is built and they're in the middle of one of the most successful runs of all time. When USF had its first big run Woolard wasted it back in the late '00s by building up Olympic faciities (and with the exception of basketball that was a little ridiculous).
If USF could get $50M from each of the six billionaires in the Tampa Bay area the OCS would break ground in under a year I suspect.
I personally believe the stadium needs to be adaptable to some form of multi-use so it can be used year round. To cite a slightly ludicrous example, the ICC has been pushing cricket in America and they need a big ground that could host matches January and February for both USA cricket and also for big teams from abroad to come play-I'm fairly sure a match between India and the West Indies or England would sell out, as would any team from the subcontinent. You could even put in a CPL franchise for the late summer (yes, I know, Florida has so much rain it would be difficult that time of year). Then when football season rolls around you plant student bleachers in the extra space-and that's a huge home field advantages as your loudest fans are right on top of the field.
Problem solved... just make the IPF a little larger and you can probably fit 10-15k seats in there. Should be about right for USF's fledgling fan-base.
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
(07-24-2019 10:47 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:
(07-24-2019 09:25 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote: The bigger issue is that USF needs a big power donor, a Tillman Fertitta type who will really drive the program. Some have made the argument for Jeff Vinik, but Vinik planted his money in downtown Tampa and he's already helping a ton with the medical school.
UCF gets around it because their stadium is built and they're in the middle of one of the most successful runs of all time. When USF had its first big run Woolard wasted it back in the late '00s by building up Olympic faciities (and with the exception of basketball that was a little ridiculous).
If USF could get $50M from each of the six billionaires in the Tampa Bay area the OCS would break ground in under a year I suspect.
I personally believe the stadium needs to be adaptable to some form of multi-use so it can be used year round. To cite a slightly ludicrous example, the ICC has been pushing cricket in America and they need a big ground that could host matches January and February for both USA cricket and also for big teams from abroad to come play-I'm fairly sure a match between India and the West Indies or England would sell out, as would any team from the subcontinent. You could even put in a CPL franchise for the late summer (yes, I know, Florida has so much rain it would be difficult that time of year). Then when football season rolls around you plant student bleachers in the extra space-and that's a huge home field advantages as your loudest fans are right on top of the field.
Problem solved... just make the IPF a little larger and you can probably fit 10-15k seats in there. Should be about right for USF's fledgling fan-base.
Well let you borrow it after your bolts finally rust all the way through. were good like that. :)
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
(02-24-2021 09:27 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: New rendering for the fantasy
Also, I love that the OP said USF "can build (it) right now" and its been 2 years and it's still just a rendering.
It would be funnier if today they will ask for more donations because they don't actually have the funds.
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
(07-17-2019 12:41 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:
(07-17-2019 12:23 PM)usffan Wrote:
(07-17-2019 12:09 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:
(07-17-2019 08:49 AM)Pony94 Wrote:
(07-17-2019 08:43 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: Huh? Did you say something to me? I apologize, I was staring at pictures of beautiful and historic Nippert Stadium, nestled right in the heart of our campus.
What’s the cost per win for both schools? I imagine Cinci comes out better.
You'd be wrong...
Luke Fickell has presided over 14 wins at Cincinnati. Per this article, his salary was $1.9MM for 2017 and $2MM for 2018. So $3.9MM/14 wins = $278,571.43/win
Charlie Strong has presided over 17 wins at USF. Per this article, his salary was $1MM for each year of 2017 and 2018. $2MM/17 wins = $117,647.06/win
Now, in this coming season, Strong's salary jumps to $2.5MM compared to Fickell's $2.3MM. If Cincinnati went undefeated, won the AAC championship game, got into the playoff and won both games, that would still be $6.2MM/31 wins = $193,750/win, which would roughly equal the same amount for Strong if he went 6-6 this year ($4.5MM/23 wins = $195,652.17).
Very wrong...
USFFan
Fickell and Strong are both going to be vastly overpaid this year IMO
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
(02-24-2021 09:54 AM)usffan Wrote:
(02-24-2021 09:27 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: New rendering for the fantasy
Also, I love that the OP said USF "can build (it) right now" and its been 2 years and it's still just a rendering.
It would be funnier if today they will ask for more donations because they don't actually have the funds.
USFFan
I see a lot of room around that IPF, is that one of the sites where an OCS would be built?
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
(07-23-2019 01:53 PM)panite Wrote:
(07-23-2019 01:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote: and to more closely answer your question. We actually have identified three possible locations. 2 on campus and one directly across the street. We prefer the one across the street for many reasons but we have to work with the City since they own the land.
Yes, we have done a study and we have a design that was done. Its a good looking stadium.
Thanks again. I thought USF was working on some potential locations but could not remember where since the OCS issue has drop out of the public eye like the issue up north in Philly. Basically total silence on both schools OCS's.
I think potential locations have been identified but an OCS is really not in the near future at USF unless a huge donation for it comes in, playing in RJS becomes a problem or USF moves to B12.
Now this IPF is a must and is not just an IPF but also coaches offices, players locker rooms, players lounge, nutrition center etc. so basically all football operations will move there. That would open up for other sports the current football facilities in the Athletic Center
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
(02-24-2021 11:09 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote: I think potential locations have been identified but an OCS is really not in the near future at USF unless a huge donation for it comes in, playing in RJS becomes a problem or USF moves to B12.
Now this IPF is a must and is not just an IPF but also coaches offices, players locker rooms, players lounge, nutrition center etc. so basically all football operations will move there. That would open up for other sports the current football facilities in the Athletic Center
Yes, for the time being, we need to move forward and get the IPF built. That said, I think an OCS needs to be in the near future as playing in RJS is a problem. The program just lacks life and spirit at the facility. It's the Bucs facility, not ours, and it will always feel that way.
So we also need an OCS. Sadly, I agree with others who have said that won't happen with a general fundraising drive. We need a deep-pockets donor to pony-up $50 million or such to get it off the ground. USF does a great job of raising funds, so if that kind of whale was out there he'd have surfaced by now, so I am assuming he isn't. It's not me, that's for sure, LOL.
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
(02-24-2021 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:
(02-24-2021 11:09 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote: I think potential locations have been identified but an OCS is really not in the near future at USF unless a huge donation for it comes in, playing in RJS becomes a problem or USF moves to B12.
Now this IPF is a must and is not just an IPF but also coaches offices, players locker rooms, players lounge, nutrition center etc. so basically all football operations will move there. That would open up for other sports the current football facilities in the Athletic Center
Yes, for the time being, we need to move forward and get the IPF built. That said, I think an OCS needs to be in the near future as playing in RJS is a problem. The program just lacks life and spirit at the facility. It's the Bucs facility, not ours, and it will always feel that way.
So we also need an OCS. Sadly, I agree with others who have said that won't happen with a general fundraising drive. We need a deep-pockets donor to pony-up $50 million or such to get it off the ground. USF does a great job of raising funds, so if that kind of whale was out there he'd have surfaced by now, so I am assuming he isn't. It's not me, that's for sure, LOL.
I would like an OCS but unless there is financial reason for it , I just don’t see it happening in near future. I think a move to B12 which would mean more tv revenues is about the only thing I could see in near future. Now as someone said above you could make it part of an Olympics push if Tampa decided to moved towards such goal, or Soccer franchise wanted to play there, but they are lately looking at more downtown locations.
So for now I think it would stay put and see how things unfold, first off is getting the team to become successful and become a consistent winner, we have attractive non conference opponents like Florida, Alabama, Miami coming into RJS that if we win fans will come.
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
The press conference laid out some concrete dates.
There will be some upgrades to the Lee Roy Selmon center this summer, but the IPF will break ground by August or so. The expectation is that the facility will be done by next summer, although if they could get it done for spring that would be a huge plus for year three under Jeff Scott.
The next target does need to be an OCS. I don't know what it's going to take to get there unless a big donor comes in and kicks it off with a 9 figure check.
I actually love Houston's stadium, I'm still not sure why something like that isn't the target. Even with inflation it couldn't cost more than $150 million.
I still maintain that if they build it large enough to multi-use as a winter cricket stadium we will have extra revenue coming in from the English, Indians, and West Indies every single spring. Plus the Auty Cup would have a permanant game there between the US and Canada yearly. if the ICC is going to keep pouring money into the US cricket set up, they might even pay for field maintenance.
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
3 million dollar renovation of Selmon athletics center, to include locker rooms, players lounge, and nutrition station, to start as soon as spring practice ends, and will be completed by fall.
22 million dollar IPF to begin this summer, to be completed by next year.
The above is phase 1 of 2 of the total renovations. Phase 2 is the stand alone football facility.
(This post was last modified: 02-24-2021 01:00 PM by BullsFanInTX.)
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
(02-24-2021 12:23 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote: The press conference laid out some concrete dates.
There will be some upgrades to the Lee Roy Selmon center this summer, but the IPF will break ground by August or so. The expectation is that the facility will be done by next summer, although if they could get it done for spring that would be a huge plus for year three under Jeff Scott.
The next target does need to be an OCS. I don't know what it's going to take to get there unless a big donor comes in and kicks it off with a 9 figure check.
I actually love Houston's stadium, I'm still not sure why something like that isn't the target. Even with inflation it couldn't cost more than $150 million.
I still maintain that if they build it large enough to multi-use as a winter cricket stadium we will have extra revenue coming in from the English, Indians, and West Indies every single spring. Plus the Auty Cup would have a permanant game there between the US and Canada yearly. if the ICC is going to keep pouring money into the US cricket set up, they might even pay for field maintenance.
Some added details:
$3MM for the upgrades to the Selmon Center
$22MM for the 88,000 square foot practice facility
Construction on the Selmon Center will start immediately after spring football ends. Spring game is 3/27. Those upgrades are expected to be done in time for fall sports (Selmon impacts more than just football). The IPF is expected to be ready for the start of fall football, 2022.
Beating the dead horse, but miss me with spending $150MM on an on campus stadium that will get used 7 days/year when we play in the same stadium where they held the national championship and the Super Bowl for effectively free. And before anybody screams, USF pays no rent, but pays only the direct costs for the lower or upper deck per game (https://www.tampabay.com/usf-set-to-exte...2310524/). If you assume $200K in direct costs (an overstatement if you read the article), that's a maximum of $1.5MM/year, or 100 years of costs compared to building a stadium, the annual upkeep and maintenance of which is that same ~$1.5MM/year. Most of the b1tching about an OCS comes from 90 miles east of us.
RE: USF targets groundbreaking on IPF in April 2020
Joey Knight
@TBTimes_Bulls
Scott says he envisions this
@USFFootball IPF being "the best in the state of Florida and one of the best in the country."
The Daily Stampede
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@coach_jeffscott
says they believe this will be one of the best in the state of Florida and one of the best in the country. "When you have the ability to build the newest facility, you can build the best facility."
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