How many games are you required to play from the other division? Could we as a conference only play 1 football game against the other division or are we required to play two games?

(07-14-2019 08:28 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  How many games are you required to play from the other division? Could we as a conference only play 1 football game against the other division or are we required to play two games?

pretty much none

the relevant rules are 5 games per sport in the conference

and of course for a CCG the divisional round robin matching the winners of the divisions in the CCG or a full conference round robin matching the two highest ranked teams

so a 12 team conference could have 2 divisions of 6 and play only a division round robin of 5 conference games and have a CCG and meet all other NCAA requirements

(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 08:28 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  How many games are you required to play from the other division? Could we as a conference only play 1 football game against the other division or are we required to play two games?

pretty much none

the relevant rules are 5 games per sport in the conference

and of course for a CCG the divisional round robin matching the winners of the divisions in the CCG or a full conference round robin matching the two highest ranked teams

so a 12 team conference could have 2 divisions of 6 and play only a division round robin of 5 conference games and have a CCG and meet all other NCAA requirements

Interesting. We should drop the cross division games in football. Or at least one of them.

Could either schedule an extra 1-2 OOC games or work with Sun Belt. Both conferences leave last few weeks of regular season open. The division winners from each conference could face off in a 4 team playoff? Could possibly increase chances of the overall winner getting the Access Bowl.

(07-14-2019 09:52 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 08:28 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  How many games are you required to play from the other division? Could we as a conference only play 1 football game against the other division or are we required to play two games?

pretty much none

the relevant rules are 5 games per sport in the conference

and of course for a CCG the divisional round robin matching the winners of the divisions in the CCG or a full conference round robin matching the two highest ranked teams

so a 12 team conference could have 2 divisions of 6 and play only a division round robin of 5 conference games and have a CCG and meet all other NCAA requirements

Interesting. We should drop the cross division games in football. Or at least one of them.

Could either schedule an extra 1-2 OOC games or work with Sun Belt. Both conferences leave last few weeks of regular season open. The division winners from each conference could face off in a 4 team playoff? Could possibly increase chances of the overall winner getting the Access Bowl.

Sounds like a great idea if you want to accelerate the idea of new subdivision of G5.

(07-15-2019 02:21 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:52 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 08:28 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  How many games are you required to play from the other division? Could we as a conference only play 1 football game against the other division or are we required to play two games?

pretty much none

the relevant rules are 5 games per sport in the conference

and of course for a CCG the divisional round robin matching the winners of the divisions in the CCG or a full conference round robin matching the two highest ranked teams

so a 12 team conference could have 2 divisions of 6 and play only a division round robin of 5 conference games and have a CCG and meet all other NCAA requirements

Interesting. We should drop the cross division games in football. Or at least one of them.

Could either schedule an extra 1-2 OOC games or work with Sun Belt. Both conferences leave last few weeks of regular season open. The division winners from each conference could face off in a 4 team playoff? Could possibly increase chances of the overall winner getting the Access Bowl.

Sounds like a great idea if you want to accelerate the idea of new subdivision of G5.

Yeah, no cross div play = two conferences. Why be in a conference if you potentially may never play the other teams?

(07-15-2019 03:03 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 02:21 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:52 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 08:28 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  How many games are you required to play from the other division? Could we as a conference only play 1 football game against the other division or are we required to play two games?

pretty much none

the relevant rules are 5 games per sport in the conference

and of course for a CCG the divisional round robin matching the winners of the divisions in the CCG or a full conference round robin matching the two highest ranked teams

so a 12 team conference could have 2 divisions of 6 and play only a division round robin of 5 conference games and have a CCG and meet all other NCAA requirements

Interesting. We should drop the cross division games in football. Or at least one of them.

Could either schedule an extra 1-2 OOC games or work with Sun Belt. Both conferences leave last few weeks of regular season open. The division winners from each conference could face off in a 4 team playoff? Could possibly increase chances of the overall winner getting the Access Bowl.

Sounds like a great idea if you want to accelerate the idea of new subdivision of G5.

Yeah, no cross div play = two conferences. Why be in a conference if you potentially may never play the other teams?

No one likes this conference lol.

I would much rather play an extra 1-2 OOC games against P5/MAC/Sun Belt teams as opposed to playing those in the West. Only teams from the West that I have a desire to play are So Miss, UAB, and La Tech.

We could basically operate as two 7 team conferences in football.

(07-15-2019 04:20 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 03:03 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 02:21 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:52 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  pretty much none

the relevant rules are 5 games per sport in the conference

and of course for a CCG the divisional round robin matching the winners of the divisions in the CCG or a full conference round robin matching the two highest ranked teams

so a 12 team conference could have 2 divisions of 6 and play only a division round robin of 5 conference games and have a CCG and meet all other NCAA requirements

Interesting. We should drop the cross division games in football. Or at least one of them.

Could either schedule an extra 1-2 OOC games or work with Sun Belt. Both conferences leave last few weeks of regular season open. The division winners from each conference could face off in a 4 team playoff? Could possibly increase chances of the overall winner getting the Access Bowl.

Sounds like a great idea if you want to accelerate the idea of new subdivision of G5.

Yeah, no cross div play = two conferences. Why be in a conference if you potentially may never play the other teams?

No one likes this conference lol.

I would much rather play an extra 1-2 OOC games against P5/MAC/Sun Belt teams as opposed to playing those in the West. Only teams from the West that I have a desire to play are So Miss, UAB, and La Tech.

We could basically operate as two 7 team conferences in football.

I like this conference. Is it perfect? Hell no, but I think a lot of people just like to complain. There's a grass-is-greener crowd in every conference, but probably more in G5 than in P5 because we know we're among the have-nots, not the haves. So what do we do? We find things to complain about. Even the best G5 conference (AAC) wants more than what they have because they dream of being P5.

If there's one thing I'll give the AAC credit for, it's that by proclaiming themselves as a P6 conference, the marketing genius of it aside, they've at least created a certain air of solidarity and common purpose amongst their conference mates, while some other conferences like ours tend to have more infighting about who really should be where, and how this or that school got a raw deal. We don't need to all huddle around a campfire and sing Kumbaya, but the bickering here sometimes goes a bit far. Then again, whereas most seem to have at least one or two other schools they can't stand, I really don't dislike anyone else, so maybe I'm just talking out of my Arsch.

(07-15-2019 07:22 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 04:20 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 03:03 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 02:21 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:52 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Interesting. We should drop the cross division games in football. Or at least one of them.

Could either schedule an extra 1-2 OOC games or work with Sun Belt. Both conferences leave last few weeks of regular season open. The division winners from each conference could face off in a 4 team playoff? Could possibly increase chances of the overall winner getting the Access Bowl.

Sounds like a great idea if you want to accelerate the idea of new subdivision of G5.

Yeah, no cross div play = two conferences. Why be in a conference if you potentially may never play the other teams?

No one likes this conference lol.

I would much rather play an extra 1-2 OOC games against P5/MAC/Sun Belt teams as opposed to playing those in the West. Only teams from the West that I have a desire to play are So Miss, UAB, and La Tech.

We could basically operate as two 7 team conferences in football.

I like this conference. Is it perfect? Hell no, but I think a lot of people just like to complain. There's a grass-is-greener crowd in every conference, but probably more in G5 than in P5 because we know we're among the have-nots, not the haves. So what do we do? We find things to complain about. Even the best G5 conference (AAC) wants more than what they have because they dream of being P5.

If there's one thing I'll give the AAC credit for, it's that by proclaiming themselves as a P6 conference, the marketing genius of it aside, they've at least created a certain air of solidarity and common purpose amongst their conference mates, while some other conferences like ours tend to have more infighting about who really should be where, and how this or that school got a raw deal. We don't need to all huddle around a campfire and sing Kumbaya, but the bickering here sometimes goes a bit far. Then again, whereas most seem to have at least one or two other schools they can't stand, I really don't dislike anyone else, so maybe I'm just talking out of my Arsch.

I don't "dislike" the Texas schools. Just would rather play other regional teams as opposed to playing you all in conference (unless it was the conference championship.)

I'm sure you all would rather play Baylor, Texas St, Houston, etc as playing Marshall as well.

For the record I think UTSA was a good football addition to the conference. I think you all are close to exploding. Just have to start winning and you could average 35-40k/game. Just need to upgrade those basketball facilities and you will be off to a better conference forgetting about the rest of us.

(07-15-2019 07:47 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 07:22 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 04:20 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 03:03 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 02:21 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  Sounds like a great idea if you want to accelerate the idea of new subdivision of G5.

Yeah, no cross div play = two conferences. Why be in a conference if you potentially may never play the other teams?

No one likes this conference lol.

I would much rather play an extra 1-2 OOC games against P5/MAC/Sun Belt teams as opposed to playing those in the West. Only teams from the West that I have a desire to play are So Miss, UAB, and La Tech.

We could basically operate as two 7 team conferences in football.

I like this conference. Is it perfect? Hell no, but I think a lot of people just like to complain. There's a grass-is-greener crowd in every conference, but probably more in G5 than in P5 because we know we're among the have-nots, not the haves. So what do we do? We find things to complain about. Even the best G5 conference (AAC) wants more than what they have because they dream of being P5.

If there's one thing I'll give the AAC credit for, it's that by proclaiming themselves as a P6 conference, the marketing genius of it aside, they've at least created a certain air of solidarity and common purpose amongst their conference mates, while some other conferences like ours tend to have more infighting about who really should be where, and how this or that school got a raw deal. We don't need to all huddle around a campfire and sing Kumbaya, but the bickering here sometimes goes a bit far. Then again, whereas most seem to have at least one or two other schools they can't stand, I really don't dislike anyone else, so maybe I'm just talking out of my Arsch.

I don't "dislike" the Texas schools. Just would rather play other regional teams as opposed to playing you all in conference (unless it was the conference championship.)

I'm sure you all would rather play Baylor, Texas St, Houston, etc as playing Marshall as well.

For the record I think UTSA was a good football addition to the conference. I think you all are close to exploding. Just have to start winning and you could average 35-40k/game. Just need to upgrade those basketball facilities and you will be off to a better conference forgetting about the rest of us.

Kind of you to say, but I don't see us averaging 35-40K anytime soon with all the longtime Longhorn and Aggie t-shirt fans around, and I also don't see us leaving C-USA anytime soon. Our basketball team definitely deserves better than that old/unsafe Convocation Center they're still playing in though, and our baseball team has it even worse.

Wonder if the NCAA would allow C-USA to split into two conferences that shared a football championship game, but received two auto bids in basketball?

West

UTEP
NMST
UNT
Rice
UTSA
LaTech
USM
UAB
*Invite one team*

East
WKU
Marshall
MTSU
ODU
FIU
FAU
Charlotte
*Invite two teams*

You play your division/conference teams. Winners play in a championship game with the winner of that having a decent shot at the access bowl.

In hoops and other Olympic sports you are independent of each other outside of some scheduling agreements for programs that wish to remain associated. Each new conference gets it's own auto-bid (the tricky part). Play everyone home and away for 16 conference games. Convincing SBC/MAC teams to join might be problematic as well. Maybe stAte in the West and App+GaSo in the East? See if Ohio wants out of the MAC? Benefit here is tight geography, easier path to NCAA bid, better chance for your double champ to reach the access bowl.

(07-16-2019 10:47 AM)freshtop Wrote:  Wonder if the NCAA would allow C-USA to split into two conferences that shared a football championship game, but received two auto bids in basketball?

West

UTEP
NMST
UNT
Rice
UTSA
LaTech
USM
UAB
*Invite one team*

East
WKU
Marshall
MTSU
ODU
FIU
FAU
Charlotte
*Invite two teams*

You play your division/conference teams. Winners play in a championship game with the winner of that having a decent shot at the access bowl.

In hoops and other Olympic sports you are independent of each other outside of some scheduling agreements for programs that wish to remain associated. Each new conference gets it's own auto-bid (the tricky part). Play everyone home and away for 16 conference games. Convincing SBC/MAC teams to join might be problematic as well. Maybe stAte in the West and App+GaSo in the East? See if Ohio wants out of the MAC? Benefit here is tight geography, easier path to NCAA bid, better chance for your double champ to reach the access bowl.

What happens when the East or West champ has zero losses and has to play the other side's 7-5 champ?

(07-16-2019 10:54 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 10:47 AM)freshtop Wrote:  Wonder if the NCAA would allow C-USA to split into two conferences that shared a football championship game, but received two auto bids in basketball?

West

UTEP
NMST
UNT
Rice
UTSA
LaTech
USM
UAB
*Invite one team*

East
WKU
Marshall
MTSU
ODU
FIU
FAU
Charlotte
*Invite two teams*

You play your division/conference teams. Winners play in a championship game with the winner of that having a decent shot at the access bowl.

In hoops and other Olympic sports you are independent of each other outside of some scheduling agreements for programs that wish to remain associated. Each new conference gets it's own auto-bid (the tricky part). Play everyone home and away for 16 conference games. Convincing SBC/MAC teams to join might be problematic as well. Maybe stAte in the West and App+GaSo in the East? See if Ohio wants out of the MAC? Benefit here is tight geography, easier path to NCAA bid, better chance for your double champ to reach the access bowl.

What happens when the East or West champ has zero losses and has to play the other side's 7-5 champ?

Then they shouldn't have a problem beating them. It is like Alabama facing the SEC East champs most year. Yes it is one more game they have to win, but if they don't win it are they really that good to begin with? It has happened in the old C-USA were another team plays spoiler, but I think the potential gains outweigh the losses.

(07-16-2019 10:47 AM)freshtop Wrote:  Wonder if the NCAA would allow C-USA to split into two conferences that shared a football championship game, but received two auto bids in basketball?

West

UTEP
NMST
UNT
Rice
UTSA
LaTech
USM
UAB
*Invite one team*

East
WKU
Marshall
MTSU
ODU
FIU
FAU
Charlotte
*Invite two teams*

You play your division/conference teams. Winners play in a championship game with the winner of that having a decent shot at the access bowl.

In hoops and other Olympic sports you are independent of each other outside of some scheduling agreements for programs that wish to remain associated. Each new conference gets it's own auto-bid (the tricky part). Play everyone home and away for 16 conference games. Convincing SBC/MAC teams to join might be problematic as well. Maybe stAte in the West and App+GaSo in the East? See if Ohio wants out of the MAC? Benefit here is tight geography, easier path to NCAA bid, better chance for your double champ to reach the access bowl.

Couldn't we just leave that weekend open and the two conferences/divisions play each other that week? Could go all across the board, 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, all the way down the list 9 vs 9.

I would actually like this and would want to add App State and Ga Southern to the East.

(07-16-2019 01:03 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 10:47 AM)freshtop Wrote:  Wonder if the NCAA would allow C-USA to split into two conferences that shared a football championship game, but received two auto bids in basketball?

West

UTEP
NMST
UNT
Rice
UTSA
LaTech
USM
UAB
*Invite one team*

East
WKU
Marshall
MTSU
ODU
FIU
FAU
Charlotte
*Invite two teams*

You play your division/conference teams. Winners play in a championship game with the winner of that having a decent shot at the access bowl.

In hoops and other Olympic sports you are independent of each other outside of some scheduling agreements for programs that wish to remain associated. Each new conference gets it's own auto-bid (the tricky part). Play everyone home and away for 16 conference games. Convincing SBC/MAC teams to join might be problematic as well. Maybe stAte in the West and App+GaSo in the East? See if Ohio wants out of the MAC? Benefit here is tight geography, easier path to NCAA bid, better chance for your double champ to reach the access bowl.

Couldn't we just leave that weekend open and the two conferences/divisions play each other that week? Could go all across the board, 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, all the way down the list 9 vs 9.

I would actually like this and would want to add App State and Ga Southern to the East.

That would work, especially since there were no crossover games played during the year so no repeats. Figuring out who hosts who could be tricky. Luck of the draw? Alternate East to west one year to the next?

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Oooooh! I know, lets play four games then use the pod system! Brilliant, Judy, brilliant!