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RE: Steal of first base?
(07-17-2019 12:11 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(07-15-2019 03:40 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  This garbage is the result of the kind of idiotic thinking that led to the abominations of the DH and Interleague play.

Now, get off my lawn!

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Ya know? Forget baseball. We all just need to go back to playing cricket!!!

... which is certainly not without its own rules controversies, to wit:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/cr...en-decided

https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2019/i...sy-2070487
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RE: Steal of first base?
(07-17-2019 04:50 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(07-17-2019 12:11 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(07-15-2019 03:40 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  This garbage is the result of the kind of idiotic thinking that led to the abominations of the DH and Interleague play.

Now, get off my lawn!

03-old


Ya know? Forget baseball. We all just need to go back to playing cricket!!!

... which is certainly not without its own rules controversies, to wit:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/cr...en-decided

https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2019/i...sy-2070487

Two neat things I learned in that article:
- "New Zealand ... ended up with the best team bowling economy". I don't know what that means, but I admire esoteric-ness.
- The New Zealand cricket team is called the Black Caps. I think it's cool that all of NZ's national sports teams have names, and that nearly all of those include "Black" or (less often) "White" in the name.

In the US, a consistent naming scheme for our national teams would be impossible. Heck, our teams don't even have a consistent color scheme from sport to sport, or even from year to year within the same team. :(

There are many other reasons why the Kiwis punch far above their weight in international sports, and the US far below -- but the complete disregard for any sort of consistent national team identity has to be part of it.
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RE: Steal of first base?
(07-17-2019 09:01 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-17-2019 04:50 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(07-17-2019 12:11 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(07-15-2019 03:40 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  This garbage is the result of the kind of idiotic thinking that led to the abominations of the DH and Interleague play.
Now, get off my lawn!
03-old
Ya know? Forget baseball. We all just need to go back to playing cricket!!!
... which is certainly not without its own rules controversies, to wit:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/cr...en-decided
https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2019/i...sy-2070487
Two neat things I learned in that article:
- "New Zealand ... ended up with the best team bowling economy". I don't know what that means, but I admire esoteric-ness.
- The New Zealand cricket team is called the Black Caps. I think it's cool that all of NZ's national sports teams have names, and that nearly all of those include "Black" or (less often) "White" in the name.
In the US, a consistent naming scheme for our national teams would be impossible. Heck, our teams don't even have a consistent color scheme from sport to sport, or even from year to year within the same team. :(
There are many other reasons why the Kiwis punch far above their weight in international sports, and the US far below -- but the complete disregard for any sort of consistent national team identity has to be part of it.

I believe bowling economy relates to how many balls (pitches) were required per wicket (out). I think this competition is played under the one-day rules, under which each team bats until it has used 50 overs (6 balls each, or 300 balls) or until it has been retired (10 wickets). In this case, I think NZ took all 10 wickets form England, so England had to stop before all 10 overs were done, but England had taken only 8 wickets from NZ. In a regular match, NZ would have been able to keep batting and presumably would have scored another run and won.

So taking 10 wickets over the same or fewer balls would have been more economical bowling than taking 8 wickets over the same or more balls.
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RE: Steal of first base?
(07-17-2019 06:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-17-2019 09:01 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-17-2019 04:50 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(07-17-2019 12:11 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(07-15-2019 03:40 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  This garbage is the result of the kind of idiotic thinking that led to the abominations of the DH and Interleague play.
Now, get off my lawn!
03-old
Ya know? Forget baseball. We all just need to go back to playing cricket!!!
... which is certainly not without its own rules controversies, to wit:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/cr...en-decided
https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2019/i...sy-2070487
Two neat things I learned in that article:
- "New Zealand ... ended up with the best team bowling economy". I don't know what that means, but I admire esoteric-ness.
- The New Zealand cricket team is called the Black Caps. I think it's cool that all of NZ's national sports teams have names, and that nearly all of those include "Black" or (less often) "White" in the name.
In the US, a consistent naming scheme for our national teams would be impossible. Heck, our teams don't even have a consistent color scheme from sport to sport, or even from year to year within the same team. :(
There are many other reasons why the Kiwis punch far above their weight in international sports, and the US far below -- but the complete disregard for any sort of consistent national team identity has to be part of it.

I believe bowling economy relates to how many balls (pitches) were required per wicket (out). I think this competition is played under the one-day rules, under which each team bats until it has used 50 overs (6 balls each, or 300 balls) or until it has been retired (10 wickets). In this case, I think NZ took all 10 wickets form England, so England had to stop before all 10 overs were done, but England had taken only 8 wickets from NZ. In a regular match, NZ would have been able to keep batting and presumably would have scored another run and won.

So taking 10 wickets over the same or fewer balls would have been more economical bowling than taking 8 wickets over the same or more balls.

Economy is average runs per over bowled, which is an especially valuable statistic in limited overs cricket (the World Cup is ODI/50 overs). I believe you were thinking of a bowler’s strike rate (number of balls bowled per wicket taken).

The match itself was really exciting, but absurd that they couldn’t just have another “super over”, instead of the boundaries’ rule. Would be like the Indians/Cubs Game 7 marathon ending tied after ten innings, with the winner being the team with the most extra-base hits.
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RE: Steal of first base?
(07-17-2019 07:46 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(07-17-2019 06:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-17-2019 09:01 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-17-2019 04:50 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(07-17-2019 12:11 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Ya know? Forget baseball. We all just need to go back to playing cricket!!!
... which is certainly not without its own rules controversies, to wit:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/cr...en-decided
https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2019/i...sy-2070487
Two neat things I learned in that article:
- "New Zealand ... ended up with the best team bowling economy". I don't know what that means, but I admire esoteric-ness.
- The New Zealand cricket team is called the Black Caps. I think it's cool that all of NZ's national sports teams have names, and that nearly all of those include "Black" or (less often) "White" in the name.
In the US, a consistent naming scheme for our national teams would be impossible. Heck, our teams don't even have a consistent color scheme from sport to sport, or even from year to year within the same team. :(
There are many other reasons why the Kiwis punch far above their weight in international sports, and the US far below -- but the complete disregard for any sort of consistent national team identity has to be part of it.
I believe bowling economy relates to how many balls (pitches) were required per wicket (out). I think this competition is played under the one-day rules, under which each team bats until it has used 50 overs (6 balls each, or 300 balls) or until it has been retired (10 wickets). In this case, I think NZ took all 10 wickets form England, so England had to stop before all 10 overs were done, but England had taken only 8 wickets from NZ. In a regular match, NZ would have been able to keep batting and presumably would have scored another run and won.
So taking 10 wickets over the same or fewer balls would have been more economical bowling than taking 8 wickets over the same or more balls.
Economy is average runs per over bowled, which is an especially valuable statistic in limited overs cricket (the World Cup is ODI/50 overs). I believe you were thinking of a bowler’s strike rate (number of balls bowled per wicket taken).
The match itself was really exciting, but absurd that they couldn’t just have another “super over”, instead of the boundaries’ rule. Would be like the Indians/Cubs Game 7 marathon ending tied after ten innings, with the winner being the team with the most extra-base hits.

I realized that mistake after I reread it. In this case it would give the same result because both teams had the same number of runs and NZ took two more wickets. Another "super over" would have seemed to make a lot more sense. It's not exactly like cricket players are wearing themselves out playing the game.

Rugby used to have the dumbest final tiebreaker. In knockout stages of tournaments, if tied at the end of regulation, play 2 ten minute extra periods (play the full time, like soccer). That part is good, but if still tied, then it went to drop kicks, analogous to soccer. That is sensible for soccer where everybody kicks the ball. In rugby, there are maybe 2 or 3 kickers on the field for each team, and after that it would get really ugly. Fortunately they changed that rule before they ever had to use it. Now they play sudden death. There was a "kick-off" in a Heineken Cup semi-final in Europe one year, but I think I saw probably the closest rugby ever came to having to use the drop kick tie breaker in the World Cup when Jonny Wilkinson hit a drop goal with about 45 seconds left in the second extra period to beat Australia 20-17 in the finals of the 2003 World Cup.
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