(07-13-2019 11:08 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 10:33 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Temple knows they're in a solid conference, I doubt Temple pulls a crazy uconn stunt like that and throat cuts their football program.

The Big East is not an option for Temple. If it were, they would have a decision to make. There is no decision to be made between the AAC and Atlantic 10. The AAC is a much better league.

There's no decision to be made between the AAC and the Big East, if you give a flip about football.

(07-14-2019 12:41 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:03 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:50 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:37 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:28 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  If UConn fball had the same record as Temple, then the AAC would still have 12 Fball schools.

No way. The AAC TV deal is terrible based on being locked in for so long and also UConn losing SNY as a partner hurts our NYC recruiting and fan base access to games. Aresco knew that and still couldn’t get it done for us (and likely assumed that we wouldn’t leave and were stuck with no other options). Sorry, Mike, but you not getting it done made this a necessity. It is as simple as that.

Football wise, you made a huge mistake. You know it, I know it, and everyone knows it. I get the move, I really do, for basketball, rivalries, proximity to other schools, etc.. However, you just killed your football program forever, unless by some miracle you get into the ACC or Big 10. You have become UMass, at best, in football. This is just a fact. Now if football is not important to UConn, then by all means, kill the program.

Football is still important. But answer me this... how is a northeastern school like UConn ever going to outcompete schools like USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU who are all in talent rich states for football recruits? It just isn’t possible. If we were a P5 league, geography could be a bit negated by that variable. At the G5 level, however, it was never going to happen.

Why sign on to be the football door mat at the expense of watching your blue chip hoop program wither on the vine? We were no longer getting the best NYC recruits who helped build our program. They don’t want to fly 3+ hours away to play schools that care more about football. Sometimes you need to get back to your bread and butter.

All of this said, I stick by my comment that football is a dying sport. Head injuries make this something that won’t be played the same way in 20 years. At that point, will it even be fun to watch?

So your blaming the AAC for your latest BB recruiting failures in the NYC area? This sounds like a BS excuse to me... How do you explain Memphis signing two of the best NY recruits this past year, in Lester Quinones and Precious Achiuwa?

I hate to say that this is a “duh” question, but it is. Without Penny Hardaway, they wouldn’t be headed to Memphis. Either way, it remains to be seen if Penny can coach as well as he recruits.

Furthermore, your example merely illustrates my point. If Penny was easily snapping up NYC talent under UConn’s nose, then it pays for UConn to be able to get back to selling NYC recruits on the ability to stay close to home for both home AND road games.

(07-14-2019 12:44 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:08 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 10:33 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Temple knows they're in a solid conference, I doubt Temple pulls a crazy uconn stunt like that and throat cuts their football program.

The Big East is not an option for Temple. If it were, they would have a decision to make. There is no decision to be made between the AAC and Atlantic 10. The AAC is a much better league.

There's no decision to be made between the AAC and the Big East, if you give a flip about football.

Whether we give a flip or not is irrelevant. Our travel expenses are the worst in this league based on geography. It was time to get back to not being a northeastern school in a southeastern/southwestern conference. That level of travel was beyond silly for G5 level money.

(07-14-2019 12:49 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:41 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:03 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:50 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:37 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  No way. The AAC TV deal is terrible based on being locked in for so long and also UConn losing SNY as a partner hurts our NYC recruiting and fan base access to games. Aresco knew that and still couldn’t get it done for us (and likely assumed that we wouldn’t leave and were stuck with no other options). Sorry, Mike, but you not getting it done made this a necessity. It is as simple as that.

Football wise, you made a huge mistake. You know it, I know it, and everyone knows it. I get the move, I really do, for basketball, rivalries, proximity to other schools, etc.. However, you just killed your football program forever, unless by some miracle you get into the ACC or Big 10. You have become UMass, at best, in football. This is just a fact. Now if football is not important to UConn, then by all means, kill the program.

Football is still important. But answer me this... how is a northeastern school like UConn ever going to outcompete schools like USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU who are all in talent rich states for football recruits? It just isn’t possible. If we were a P5 league, geography could be a bit negated by that variable. At the G5 level, however, it was never going to happen.

Why sign on to be the football door mat at the expense of watching your blue chip hoop program wither on the vine? We were no longer getting the best NYC recruits who helped build our program. They don’t want to fly 3+ hours away to play schools that care more about football. Sometimes you need to get back to your bread and butter.

All of this said, I stick by my comment that football is a dying sport. Head injuries make this something that won’t be played the same way in 20 years. At that point, will it even be fun to watch?

So your blaming the AAC for your latest BB recruiting failures in the NYC area? This sounds like a BS excuse to me... How do you explain Memphis signing two of the best NY recruits this past year, in Lester Quinones and Precious Achiuwa?

I hate to say that this is a “duh” question, but it is. Without Penny Hardaway, they wouldn’t be headed to Memphis. Either way, it remains to be seen if Penny can coach as well as he recruits.

Furthermore, your example merely illustrates my point. If Penny was easily snapping up NYC talent under UConn’s nose, then it pays for UConn to be able to get back to selling NYC recruits on the ability to stay close to home for both home AND road games.

No, my example proves your assertion that NYC players "don’t want to fly 3+ hours away to play schools that care more about football" is a BS excuse.

FTR, Penny would have signed those players regardless if UConn were in the Big East or the AAC. lol

(07-13-2019 11:22 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:04 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 10:33 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Temple knows they're in a solid conference, I doubt Temple pulls a crazy uconn stunt like that and throat cuts their football program.

Temple is happy to be here. Having success in both BB and FB and in a conference with a high ceiling.

Temple is competing here. UCONN couldn't. End of story.

Meh. Part of the reason that AAC teams were out competing UConn was that they could sell recruits on playing UConn in all sports in markets with better recruits. It benefitted schools like Houston, UCF, and SMU to the detriment of UConn. They were seen as rising while we were seen as falling (which is true, but as I said, our name worked against us in this conference). UConn is a northeastern hoop school. We were never a fit in this southern conference. Before you all say, “Well Temple is a northeastern school”, you should realize that Pennsylvania and Connecticut are worlds apart on high school football talent. We really can’t get the football recruits to make this experiment work any longer. We want basketball against our neighbors. Now we get that back and should (likely) rise to blue chip hoop status again.

Furthermore, more young kids and playing soccer and lacrosse than football due to head injuries. In 10 years, there will be even fewer quality football recruits available to G5 schools (and even less to northern outliers like UConn). We may be the first to take the perceived cowardly approach in your eyes, but we won’t be the last. More schools will follow our lead. G5 football is a cash flush.

Enjoy.

Maybe UCONN should look at their football hires as a reason for sucking. You give the recruiting argument, yet you have very little recruiting competition in the NE. Not to mention, you had access to the most fertile recruiting grounds in the nation with Florida and Texas....multiple trips a year. How many teams do you think recruit those states? Pretty much every single one.


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(07-14-2019 12:49 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:41 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:03 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:50 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:37 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  No way. The AAC TV deal is terrible based on being locked in for so long and also UConn losing SNY as a partner hurts our NYC recruiting and fan base access to games. Aresco knew that and still couldn’t get it done for us (and likely assumed that we wouldn’t leave and were stuck with no other options). Sorry, Mike, but you not getting it done made this a necessity. It is as simple as that.

Football wise, you made a huge mistake. You know it, I know it, and everyone knows it. I get the move, I really do, for basketball, rivalries, proximity to other schools, etc.. However, you just killed your football program forever, unless by some miracle you get into the ACC or Big 10. You have become UMass, at best, in football. This is just a fact. Now if football is not important to UConn, then by all means, kill the program.

Football is still important. But answer me this... how is a northeastern school like UConn ever going to outcompete schools like USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU who are all in talent rich states for football recruits? It just isn’t possible. If we were a P5 league, geography could be a bit negated by that variable. At the G5 level, however, it was never going to happen.

Why sign on to be the football door mat at the expense of watching your blue chip hoop program wither on the vine? We were no longer getting the best NYC recruits who helped build our program. They don’t want to fly 3+ hours away to play schools that care more about football. Sometimes you need to get back to your bread and butter.

All of this said, I stick by my comment that football is a dying sport. Head injuries make this something that won’t be played the same way in 20 years. At that point, will it even be fun to watch?

So your blaming the AAC for your latest BB recruiting failures in the NYC area? This sounds like a BS excuse to me... How do you explain Memphis signing two of the best NY recruits this past year, in Lester Quinones and Precious Achiuwa?

I hate to say that this is a “duh” question, but it is. Without Penny Hardaway, they wouldn’t be headed to Memphis. Either way, it remains to be seen if Penny can coach as well as he recruits.

Furthermore, your example merely illustrates my point. If Penny was easily snapping up NYC talent under UConn’s nose, then it pays for UConn to be able to get back to selling NYC recruits on the ability to stay close to home for both home AND road games.

If you think 18 year old stud basketball kids care about how far they have to travel for away games as a huge detriment to deciding where to play basketball, then I've got nothing.

I have been trying to figure out the angle about why UCONN feels like if they can't compete at the top of the AAC in basketball, then what makes them think they would in the B.E.? Now I know the answer.

This has nothing to do with Memphis basketball, because we have not been competing at the top either, but we weren't saying back in the past that Tubby couldn't recruit good talent because they had to travel to Storrs.....

TM

Iam not one to sit here and give UCONN a hard time, I think it’s unfortunate that they didn’t achieve A5 status like the rest of us, they even put a bunch of money into football, more than most schools in the AAC and I commend then for this, a bad coach can kill off a program so thoroughly that it takes many many years to get good again mybe was part of UCONNS problem
It takes good character to keep ones pride intact while admitting something is wrong and then being bold enough to change course
I hope UCONN fans understand not all southerners are a bunch of blowholes

Author has it right, Uconn won't have to fly to Kansas to play conference...oh

I think UCONN made the right move. The travel for their olympics was a killer, the new TV deal was bad for them vs the other teams in the conference because of the SNY tv deal they have, and they are not in a football area. When you add in no BCS conference and low G5 money, it didn't make sense to stay in the AAC. They can have a better basketball experience in the Big East and not worry about football, which is the only reason to be in the AAC. UCONN football was formed when they had the ability to compete in a BCS conference (Power conference in today's terms). That went away. If they were still FCS in football, the AAC and our crud TV money wouldn't have been enough to entice them to jump to FBS.

This is a good move for UCONN. If UC football was as bad as theirs with as little prospects of improving, I'd be all for UC dropping football to FCS and joining them.


PS: It's hilarious that a bunch of keyboard jockey fans in here think they know better than the leadership of a University that would have been in multiple meetings, looked at multiple reports/ratings/projections, etc. and made an informed decision based on those findings.

(07-14-2019 12:41 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:03 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:50 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:37 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:28 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  If UConn fball had the same record as Temple, then the AAC would still have 12 Fball schools.

No way. The AAC TV deal is terrible based on being locked in for so long and also UConn losing SNY as a partner hurts our NYC recruiting and fan base access to games. Aresco knew that and still couldn’t get it done for us (and likely assumed that we wouldn’t leave and were stuck with no other options). Sorry, Mike, but you not getting it done made this a necessity. It is as simple as that.

Football wise, you made a huge mistake. You know it, I know it, and everyone knows it. I get the move, I really do, for basketball, rivalries, proximity to other schools, etc.. However, you just killed your football program forever, unless by some miracle you get into the ACC or Big 10. You have become UMass, at best, in football. This is just a fact. Now if football is not important to UConn, then by all means, kill the program.

Football is still important. But answer me this... how is a northeastern school like UConn ever going to outcompete schools like USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU who are all in talent rich states for football recruits? It just isn’t possible. If we were a P5 league, geography could be a bit negated by that variable. At the G5 level, however, it was never going to happen.

Why sign on to be the football door mat at the expense of watching your blue chip hoop program wither on the vine? We were no longer getting the best NYC recruits who helped build our program. They don’t want to fly 3+ hours away to play schools that care more about football. Sometimes you need to get back to your bread and butter.

All of this said, I stick by my comment that football is a dying sport. Head injuries make this something that won’t be played the same way in 20 years. At that point, will it even be fun to watch?

So you're blaming the AAC for your latest BB recruiting failures in the NYC area? This sounds like a BS excuse to me... How do you explain Memphis signing two of the best NY recruits this past year, in Lester Quinones and Precious Achiuwa?

UConn made their own mess. Shifting blame antagonizes their admirers and - worse - does not correct their real issues.

The irony is UConn landed a very solid 2019 recruiting class (#21 in the nation and #2 in the AAC) and had the potential to succeed in one of the top seven conferences.

Rather than fix football like Memphis, UConn put the gun barrel against their football temple and pulled the trigger.

(07-14-2019 07:51 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:41 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:03 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:50 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:37 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  No way. The AAC TV deal is terrible based on being locked in for so long and also UConn losing SNY as a partner hurts our NYC recruiting and fan base access to games. Aresco knew that and still couldn’t get it done for us (and likely assumed that we wouldn’t leave and were stuck with no other options). Sorry, Mike, but you not getting it done made this a necessity. It is as simple as that.

Football wise, you made a huge mistake. You know it, I know it, and everyone knows it. I get the move, I really do, for basketball, rivalries, proximity to other schools, etc.. However, you just killed your football program forever, unless by some miracle you get into the ACC or Big 10. You have become UMass, at best, in football. This is just a fact. Now if football is not important to UConn, then by all means, kill the program.

Football is still important. But answer me this... how is a northeastern school like UConn ever going to outcompete schools like USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU who are all in talent rich states for football recruits? It just isn’t possible. If we were a P5 league, geography could be a bit negated by that variable. At the G5 level, however, it was never going to happen.

Why sign on to be the football door mat at the expense of watching your blue chip hoop program wither on the vine? We were no longer getting the best NYC recruits who helped build our program. They don’t want to fly 3+ hours away to play schools that care more about football. Sometimes you need to get back to your bread and butter.

All of this said, I stick by my comment that football is a dying sport. Head injuries make this something that won’t be played the same way in 20 years. At that point, will it even be fun to watch?

So you're blaming the AAC for your latest BB recruiting failures in the NYC area? This sounds like a BS excuse to me... How do you explain Memphis signing two of the best NY recruits this past year, in Lester Quinones and Precious Achiuwa?

UConn made their own mess. Shifting blame antagonizes their admirers and - worse - does not correct their real issues.

The irony is UConn landed a very solid 2019 recruiting class (#21 in the nation and #2 in the AAC) and had the potential to succeed in one of the top seven conferences.

Rather than fix football like Memphis, UConn put the gun barrel against their football temple and pulled the trigger.

They are joining a top 7 conference in hoops...the Big East is top 6 every year.

Had Temple not had a football resurgence and given they don't own their own stadium, I would have said the same thing as the OP. But I think Temple has shown they can have solid support (who would have thought it) and good program, even if they don't have their own OCS.

(07-14-2019 07:53 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 07:51 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:41 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:03 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:50 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Football wise, you made a huge mistake. You know it, I know it, and everyone knows it. I get the move, I really do, for basketball, rivalries, proximity to other schools, etc.. However, you just killed your football program forever, unless by some miracle you get into the ACC or Big 10. You have become UMass, at best, in football. This is just a fact. Now if football is not important to UConn, then by all means, kill the program.

Football is still important. But answer me this... how is a northeastern school like UConn ever going to outcompete schools like USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU who are all in talent rich states for football recruits? It just isn’t possible. If we were a P5 league, geography could be a bit negated by that variable. At the G5 level, however, it was never going to happen.

Why sign on to be the football door mat at the expense of watching your blue chip hoop program wither on the vine? We were no longer getting the best NYC recruits who helped build our program. They don’t want to fly 3+ hours away to play schools that care more about football. Sometimes you need to get back to your bread and butter.

All of this said, I stick by my comment that football is a dying sport. Head injuries make this something that won’t be played the same way in 20 years. At that point, will it even be fun to watch?

So you're blaming the AAC for your latest BB recruiting failures in the NYC area? This sounds like a BS excuse to me... How do you explain Memphis signing two of the best NY recruits this past year, in Lester Quinones and Precious Achiuwa?

UConn made their own mess. Shifting blame antagonizes their admirers and - worse - does not correct their real issues.

The irony is UConn landed a very solid 2019 recruiting class (#21 in the nation and #2 in the AAC) and had the potential to succeed in one of the top seven conferences.

Rather than fix football like Memphis, UConn put the gun barrel against their football temple and pulled the trigger.

They are joining a top 7 conference in hoops...the Big East is top 6 every year.

Yes, but the AAC gains on the BE and the potential exists now for the AAC to pass it - especially if the AAC invites a school (like VCU) with actual results better than UConn.

Normally, I assume smart people with lofty job titles think things through. However, I withdrew the assumption after I read UConn's leadership believe that the AAC would include their football after bolting . Like the tip of the iceberg, I suspect other misconceptions lie beneath the surface.

(07-13-2019 10:54 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Penn state should’ve been given the death penalty years ago.

This. IMO, that stain will live forever.

UConnHusky ' Wrote:  No way. The AAC TV deal is terrible based on being locked in for so long and also UConn losing SNY as a partner hurts our NYC recruiting and fan base access to games. Aresco knew that and still couldn’t get it done for us (and likely assumed that we wouldn’t leave and were stuck with no other options). Sorry, Mike, but you not getting it done made this a necessity. It is as simple as that.

Gimme a break. What's more important to the conference? UCF football or UConn women's hoops? Houston football or UConn women's hoops? Memphis football or UConn women's hoops?

No special deals for anybody. Because once UConn women's hoops get special treatment, where do you draw the line?

(07-14-2019 08:03 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 07:53 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 07:51 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:41 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 12:03 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Football is still important. But answer me this... how is a northeastern school like UConn ever going to outcompete schools like USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, Memphis, and ECU who are all in talent rich states for football recruits? It just isn’t possible. If we were a P5 league, geography could be a bit negated by that variable. At the G5 level, however, it was never going to happen.

Why sign on to be the football door mat at the expense of watching your blue chip hoop program wither on the vine? We were no longer getting the best NYC recruits who helped build our program. They don’t want to fly 3+ hours away to play schools that care more about football. Sometimes you need to get back to your bread and butter.

All of this said, I stick by my comment that football is a dying sport. Head injuries make this something that won’t be played the same way in 20 years. At that point, will it even be fun to watch?

So you're blaming the AAC for your latest BB recruiting failures in the NYC area? This sounds like a BS excuse to me... How do you explain Memphis signing two of the best NY recruits this past year, in Lester Quinones and Precious Achiuwa?

UConn made their own mess. Shifting blame antagonizes their admirers and - worse - does not correct their real issues.

The irony is UConn landed a very solid 2019 recruiting class (#21 in the nation and #2 in the AAC) and had the potential to succeed in one of the top seven conferences.

Rather than fix football like Memphis, UConn put the gun barrel against their football temple and pulled the trigger.

They are joining a top 7 conference in hoops...the Big East is top 6 every year.

Yes, but the AAC gains on the BE and the potential exists now for the AAC to pass it - especially if the AAC invites a school (like VCU) with actual results better than UConn.

Normally, I assume smart people with lofty job titles think things through. However, I withdrew the assumption after I read UConn's leadership believe that the AAC would include their football after bolting . Like the tip of the iceberg, I suspect other misconceptions lie beneath the surface.

I mean, they had to try. I would have done the same thing. I think they knew it was a longshot but in sales its "Ask not, get not". I can't fault them for trying and not just trying but pretending to assume that UCONN fb parked in the AAC was a given....I can't blame them for the attempt. You would be stupid not to try.

(07-14-2019 07:36 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think UCONN made the right move.
This is a good move for UCONN. If UC football was as bad as theirs with as little prospects of improving, I'd be all for UC dropping football to FCS and joining them.


PS: It's hilarious that a bunch of keyboard jockey fans in here think they know better than the leadership of a University that would have been in multiple meetings, looked at multiple reports/ratings/projections, etc. and made an informed decision based on those findings.

The same leadership that got them in a $40 mil hole. I don't think these keyboard jockeys could have been much worse. If I had been in their leadership, I would have dropped down to 14 or 15 sponsored sports rather than 20 plus. That would have saved them millions before even looking at what was left.

(07-14-2019 07:58 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Had Temple not had a football resurgence and given they don't own their own stadium, I would have said the same thing as the OP. But I think Temple has shown they can have solid support (who would have thought it) and good program, even if they don't have their own OCS.

Agree here about temple

(07-13-2019 11:03 PM)vaNtR Wrote:  I love the AAC.

And it loves you back.

Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya...