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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
(07-19-2019 10:45 PM)Wolfman Wrote: The Red Sox are the determining factor. As long as the Yankees host a bowl game, the BoSox will want to host one. If the Yanks dropped their bowl, Boston would drop theirs.
No question, we have to factor in the rivalry issue here, the Sox surely helped start this bowl because the Yankees have one, and they would lose face if their bowl collapsed while the Yankees goes on. So they could keep it going even if the dollars don't make sense. And I agree ESPN won't be a factor because they will televise just about any college bowl game, the economics always works for them.
Still, it's hard to imagine the Boston bowl being as successful as the Pinstripe Bowl (not that the PSB is uber-successful, but still). First, New York is just a lot bigger than Boston so will likely always get more local traffic. Second, Boston is even less hospitable in the winter than New York and is less of a winter tourist destination (NYC has unique Christmas and New Year's appeal). Third, the game isn't P5 vs P5 like the Pinstripe Bowl.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
(07-18-2019 03:16 PM)TexanMark Wrote: (07-17-2019 10:03 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: (07-17-2019 08:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (07-16-2019 04:29 PM)utpotts Wrote: Playing at Fenway sells itself. Boston is one biggest tourist destinations not just in the US but in the world. There are people their all year round visiting.
The game may be late December, but with everything going on around Fenway, the History of Boston, events at the TD Garden and easy ability to fly to Boston, makes whatever this bowl game a more tourist friendly destination than Dallas, LA, Shreveport, Birmingham, Boise, or Frisco.
That's the thinking, but I have my doubts about it. If the ACC school isn't Boston College or Syracuse, the trip is a long one, and it's a long one for any AAC school. Boston isn't a cheap place to visit either, and the winters are brutal.
Plus, Boston is a pro sports town through and through, so local walk-up buys are likely to be thin.
Sure, the first game will sell well as locals experience the novelty of a football game at Fenway in December, but IMO that could wear off quickly.
We shall see.
Boston winters are cold for sure, especially to a southerner. However, there are a few points to ponder. It's not a constant cold. There are freeze/thaw cycles to the Boston winter. It might be brutally cold, or it might be 55 degrees. The average high in December is 41 degrees. Cold, but tolerable. It's also a coastal location, and as such, is slightly warmer than inland locations. Detroit and Boston are at the same latitude, however Boston is about 5 degrees warmer than Detroit in winter on average. Cold, for sure, but about half the games should be in the 40's temperature wise if played in mid afternoon.
The average high of 41 might be for Dec 15/16th. The game is played two weeks later and will be a couple degrees colder.
It is a crapshoot but one should expect a day game in the upper 30s but cooling after the 4:15pm sunset.
Correct. So on average, basically your average NFL game in several different cities in December. Tolerable. And you're correct the 41 degree average is for all of December, so a hair cooler than that. 30s and 40s are typical.
Note. Did you know: Due to it's coastal location, Boston is actually warmer in winter than Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc, by several degrees and comparable to Cincinnati in southern Ohio, despite being well north of Cincy.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
I think the Fenway Bowl will be able to go on for years as te Red Sox realized that they would never get a highly ranked ACC team, so it was best for them to get in on the ground-floor. By contrast, the Cubs attempted to barge their way up the B1G bowl order, only to have the B1G say no.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
(07-20-2019 11:54 AM)Rube Dali Wrote: I think the Fenway Bowl will be able to go on for years as te Red Sox realized that they would never get a highly ranked ACC team, so it was best for them to get in on the ground-floor. By contrast, the Cubs attempted to barge their way up the B1G bowl order, only to have the B1G say no.
Why? There is no bowl pecking order any more in the AAC. All bowls are in a big pool now, other than the Orange Bowl. There is no official bowl pecking order, per the ACC bowl announcement. I do agree it's not likely to see a southern ACC team there often.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
(07-20-2019 12:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: (07-20-2019 11:54 AM)Rube Dali Wrote: I think the Fenway Bowl will be able to go on for years as te Red Sox realized that they would never get a highly ranked ACC team, so it was best for them to get in on the ground-floor. By contrast, the Cubs attempted to barge their way up the B1G bowl order, only to have the B1G say no.
Why? There is no bowl pecking order any more in the AAC. All bowls are in a big pool now, other than the Orange Bowl. There is no official bowl pecking order, per the ACC bowl announcement. I do agree it's not likely to see a southern ACC team there often.
True, but nevertheless, I will be very surprised if e.g. the Militarly Bowl or Fenway Bowl, both of which feature matchups with AAC teams, gets the same quality of team as say the Gator Bowl or the Outback Bowl or the Holiday Bowl, which are likely to feature ranked SEC or PAC opponents.
Despite the same formal standing, these bowls still do differ in terms of payouts, location and timing prestige, and opponent status, I expect that these will be reflected in who goes where. The "pool" just provides everyone with maximum flexibility. But all else equal, a 9-3 ACC team is going to the Outback Bowl (if the ACC plays in it), not the Military Bowl, while a 6-6 ACC team is going to the Military Bowl, not the Outback Bowl.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
(07-22-2019 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (07-20-2019 12:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: (07-20-2019 11:54 AM)Rube Dali Wrote: I think the Fenway Bowl will be able to go on for years as te Red Sox realized that they would never get a highly ranked ACC team, so it was best for them to get in on the ground-floor. By contrast, the Cubs attempted to barge their way up the B1G bowl order, only to have the B1G say no.
Why? There is no bowl pecking order any more in the AAC. All bowls are in a big pool now, other than the Orange Bowl. There is no official bowl pecking order, per the ACC bowl announcement. I do agree it's not likely to see a southern ACC team there often.
True, but nevertheless, I will be very surprised if e.g. the Militarly Bowl or Fenway Bowl, both of which feature matchups with AAC teams, gets the same quality of team as say the Gator Bowl or the Outback Bowl or the Holiday Bowl, which are likely to feature ranked SEC or PAC opponents.
Despite the same formal standing, these bowls still do differ in terms of payouts, location and timing prestige, and opponent status, I expect that these will be reflected in who goes where. The "pool" just provides everyone with maximum flexibility. But all else equal, a 9-3 ACC team is going to the Outback Bowl (if the ACC plays in it), not the Military Bowl, while a 6-6 ACC team is going to the Military Bowl, not the Outback Bowl.
Fortunately Cuse changed the narrative somewhat last year that they don't travel being a small private school. They had 20K minimum in Orange for the Camping World Bowl. Also, Cuse isn't a small private college. It is one of the bigger ones when you factor in the grad school and the SUNY (ESF) school located literally 100 feet from the Dome. That said...I see Fenway and Yankee Stadium in our future for all 6 and 7 win campaigns. Maybe even 8 or 9 wins to Yankee Stadium if they are playing Penn State, Michigan or Ohio State.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
Syracuse is the size of some of the smaller Land Grant's in the P5 like Old Miss and UVA.
Their metro area easily makes up for the smaller size as it's right around 1 million which is perfect for a college sports market IMO.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
(07-22-2019 02:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote: (07-22-2019 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (07-20-2019 12:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: (07-20-2019 11:54 AM)Rube Dali Wrote: I think the Fenway Bowl will be able to go on for years as te Red Sox realized that they would never get a highly ranked ACC team, so it was best for them to get in on the ground-floor. By contrast, the Cubs attempted to barge their way up the B1G bowl order, only to have the B1G say no.
Why? There is no bowl pecking order any more in the AAC. All bowls are in a big pool now, other than the Orange Bowl. There is no official bowl pecking order, per the ACC bowl announcement. I do agree it's not likely to see a southern ACC team there often.
True, but nevertheless, I will be very surprised if e.g. the Militarly Bowl or Fenway Bowl, both of which feature matchups with AAC teams, gets the same quality of team as say the Gator Bowl or the Outback Bowl or the Holiday Bowl, which are likely to feature ranked SEC or PAC opponents.
Despite the same formal standing, these bowls still do differ in terms of payouts, location and timing prestige, and opponent status, I expect that these will be reflected in who goes where. The "pool" just provides everyone with maximum flexibility. But all else equal, a 9-3 ACC team is going to the Outback Bowl (if the ACC plays in it), not the Military Bowl, while a 6-6 ACC team is going to the Military Bowl, not the Outback Bowl.
Fortunately Cuse changed the narrative somewhat last year that they don't travel being a small private school. They had 20K minimum in Orange for the Camping World Bowl. Also, Cuse isn't a small private college. It is one of the bigger ones when you factor in the grad school and the SUNY (ESF) school located literally 100 feet from the Dome. That said...I see Fenway and Yankee Stadium in our future for all 6 and 7 win campaigns. Maybe even 8 or 9 wins to Yankee Stadium if they are playing Penn State, Michigan or Ohio State.
I'd like to see Cuse at Fenway. I have a lot of friends that went there and have always had a soft spot for the athletics there (first time I ever won March Madness was by picking Cuse to win it all).
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
(07-22-2019 03:20 PM)e-parade Wrote: (07-22-2019 02:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote: (07-22-2019 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (07-20-2019 12:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: (07-20-2019 11:54 AM)Rube Dali Wrote: I think the Fenway Bowl will be able to go on for years as te Red Sox realized that they would never get a highly ranked ACC team, so it was best for them to get in on the ground-floor. By contrast, the Cubs attempted to barge their way up the B1G bowl order, only to have the B1G say no.
Why? There is no bowl pecking order any more in the AAC. All bowls are in a big pool now, other than the Orange Bowl. There is no official bowl pecking order, per the ACC bowl announcement. I do agree it's not likely to see a southern ACC team there often.
True, but nevertheless, I will be very surprised if e.g. the Militarly Bowl or Fenway Bowl, both of which feature matchups with AAC teams, gets the same quality of team as say the Gator Bowl or the Outback Bowl or the Holiday Bowl, which are likely to feature ranked SEC or PAC opponents.
Despite the same formal standing, these bowls still do differ in terms of payouts, location and timing prestige, and opponent status, I expect that these will be reflected in who goes where. The "pool" just provides everyone with maximum flexibility. But all else equal, a 9-3 ACC team is going to the Outback Bowl (if the ACC plays in it), not the Military Bowl, while a 6-6 ACC team is going to the Military Bowl, not the Outback Bowl.
Fortunately Cuse changed the narrative somewhat last year that they don't travel being a small private school. They had 20K minimum in Orange for the Camping World Bowl. Also, Cuse isn't a small private college. It is one of the bigger ones when you factor in the grad school and the SUNY (ESF) school located literally 100 feet from the Dome. That said...I see Fenway and Yankee Stadium in our future for all 6 and 7 win campaigns. Maybe even 8 or 9 wins to Yankee Stadium if they are playing Penn State, Michigan or Ohio State.
I'd like to see Cuse at Fenway. I have a lot of friends that went there and have always had a soft spot for the athletics there (first time I ever won March Madness was by picking Cuse to win it all).
If you wanna come over for Clemson (Sept 14th). You can join our tailgate. Send me a PM if interested. The game will sell out and it will be a 7:30PM kickoff on ABC. You probably should book a room in Utica/Rome/Cooperstown on the way home for Saturday night. You'll have to grab tickets on the secondary market but I can probably get you a parking pass.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
(07-18-2019 01:25 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: It will last 60 minutes (4 X 15:00) unless it goes into overtime.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
(07-22-2019 05:27 PM)AppinVA Wrote: (07-18-2019 01:25 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: It will last 60 minutes (4 X 15:00) unless it goes into overtime.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
(07-20-2019 12:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: (07-20-2019 11:54 AM)Rube Dali Wrote: I think the Fenway Bowl will be able to go on for years as te Red Sox realized that they would never get a highly ranked ACC team, so it was best for them to get in on the ground-floor. By contrast, the Cubs attempted to barge their way up the B1G bowl order, only to have the B1G say no.
Why? There is no bowl pecking order any more in the AAC. All bowls are in a big pool now, other than the Orange Bowl. There is no official bowl pecking order, per the ACC bowl announcement. I do agree it's not likely to see a southern ACC team there often.
No tiers, but there will be an unofficial pecking order. Much like the SEC model placing teams. I bet it would be safe to say the last three filled will be Military/Boston/Bowl Pool.
I do think giving the Boston a better time slot than Military for the first couple of years would help build the bowl.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
The red sox owners will stop at nothing to earn a few extra bucks.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
I REALLY hope they name this the Chowda Bowl.
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
I wanna see it named the "Masshole Bowl" in honor of the many drivers I encountered inside I-495. ;-)
My son who went to MIT for Grad School told me in Boston, (Automobile) "signaling is a sign of weakness".
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RE: How long does the Fenway Bowl last?
(07-23-2019 11:44 AM)TexanMark Wrote: I wanna see it named the "Masshole Bowl" in honor of the many drivers I encountered inside I-495. ;-)
My son who went to MIT for Grad School told me in Boston, (Automobile) "signaling is a sign of weakness".
My son lived in the Connecticut for 6 years and the drivers there suffer from the same sign of weakness at times there too.
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