(07-13-2019 11:56 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  [quote='JoeJag' pid='16193568' dateline='1563080045']
[quote='GoBigRed26' pid='16193347' dateline='1563063510']
The most precise way to split east/west with the smallest footprint would be a 14-team Western Conference with:
NMSU
UTEP
UTSA
TxSt
Rice
UNT
ULM
LaTech
UL
stAte
USM
UAB
Troy
USA
And a 12 team Eastern conference
FIU
FAU
GaSo
GaSt
Coastal
AppSt
UNCC
ODU
Liberty
Marshall
WKU
MTSU

This may not be the best rework, but you’ll never make everyone happy.


Yes, but everyone seems to have their perfect plan.

Why make a more geographical conference, if you want a bus conference go back to high school or FCS. Why not make the best conference possible? And I know everyone “best conference” differs, but my “Southern 12” would be: (Made of just Sunbelt and C-USA teams)


1) 2 Schools in one state is the most that was considered per state

2) based on 12 teams

3) schools lined up next to each other would be travel partners

4) North Texas must add baseball if not another school will be considered


West

North Texas - Rice
Louisiana Tech - Arkansas State
Louisiana - Southern Miss


East

App State - Marshall
Troy - UAB
Georgia Southern - Coastal Carolina

Who are the lizard eater and the rolling surf T schools? Not to include App and GS is nuts.

(07-14-2019 01:08 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:56 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  [quote='JoeJag' pid='16193568' dateline='1563080045']
[quote='GoBigRed26' pid='16193347' dateline='1563063510']
The most precise way to split east/west with the smallest footprint would be a 14-team Western Conference with:
NMSU
UTEP
UTSA
TxSt
Rice
UNT
ULM
LaTech
UL
stAte
USM
UAB
Troy
USA
And a 12 team Eastern conference
FIU
FAU
GaSo
GaSt
Coastal
AppSt
UNCC
ODU
Liberty
Marshall
WKU
MTSU

This may not be the best rework, but you’ll never make everyone happy.


Yes, but everyone seems to have their perfect plan.

Why make a more geographical conference, if you want a bus conference go back to high school or FCS. Why not make the best conference possible? And I know everyone “best conference” differs, but my “Southern 12” would be: (Made of just Sunbelt and C-USA teams)


1) 2 Schools in one state is the most that was considered per state

2) based on 12 teams

3) schools lined up next to each other would be travel partners

4) North Texas must add baseball if not another school will be considered


West

North Texas - Rice
Louisiana Tech - Arkansas State
Louisiana - Southern Miss


East

App State - Marshall
Troy - UAB
Georgia Southern - Coastal Carolina

Nice way to construct a complete failure.

(07-14-2019 05:54 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 01:08 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:56 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  [quote='JoeJag' pid='16193568' dateline='1563080045']
[quote='GoBigRed26' pid='16193347' dateline='1563063510']
The most precise way to split east/west with the smallest footprint would be a 14-team Western Conference with:
NMSU
UTEP
UTSA
TxSt
Rice
UNT
ULM
LaTech
UL
stAte
USM
UAB
Troy
USA
And a 12 team Eastern conference
FIU
FAU
GaSo
GaSt
Coastal
AppSt
UNCC
ODU
Liberty
Marshall
WKU
MTSU

This may not be the best rework, but you’ll never make everyone happy.


Yes, but everyone seems to have their perfect plan.

Why make a more geographical conference, if you want a bus conference go back to high school or FCS. Why not make the best conference possible? And I know everyone “best conference” differs, but my “Southern 12” would be: (Made of just Sunbelt and C-USA teams)


1) 2 Schools in one state is the most that was considered per state

2) based on 12 teams

3) schools lined up next to each other would be travel partners

4) North Texas must add baseball if not another school will be considered


West

North Texas - Rice
Louisiana Tech - Arkansas State
Louisiana - Southern Miss


East

App State - Marshall
Troy - UAB
Georgia Southern - Coastal Carolina

Nice way to construct a complete failure.

Would you care to input?

(07-14-2019 01:08 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  Why make a more geographical conference, if you want a bus conference go back to high school or FCS.

To minimize the traveling cost of Olympic sport teams.

(07-14-2019 08:09 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 01:08 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  Why make a more geographical conference, if you want a bus conference go back to high school or FCS.

To minimize the traveling cost of Olympic sport teams.

Like stated earlier if you have to worry about travel cost and want a bus league FCS is waiting, I see how it could be appealing but the little bit of money It’ll save you each year is absolutely not appealing to me.

(07-14-2019 01:08 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 11:56 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  [quote='JoeJag' pid='16193568' dateline='1563080045']
[quote='GoBigRed26' pid='16193347' dateline='1563063510']
The most precise way to split east/west with the smallest footprint would be a 14-team Western Conference with:
NMSU
UTEP
UTSA
TxSt
Rice
UNT
ULM
LaTech
UL
stAte
USM
UAB
Troy
USA
And a 12 team Eastern conference
FIU
FAU
GaSo
GaSt
Coastal
AppSt
UNCC
ODU
Liberty
Marshall
WKU
MTSU

This may not be the best rework, but you’ll never make everyone happy.


Yes, but everyone seems to have their perfect plan.

Why make a more geographical conference, if you want a bus conference go back to high school or FCS. Why not make the best conference possible? And I know everyone “best conference” differs, but my “Southern 12” would be: (Made of just Sunbelt and C-USA teams)


1) 2 Schools in one state is the most that was considered per state

2) based on 12 teams

3) schools lined up next to each other would be travel partners

4) North Texas must add baseball if not another school will be considered


West

North Texas - Rice
Louisiana Tech - Arkansas State
Louisiana - Southern Miss


East

App State - Marshall
Troy - UAB
Georgia Southern - Coastal Carolina

YUCK.

Marshall has no desire to continue to share a conference with G4 teams from Texas.

I also have no desire to share a conference with Coastal Carolina and their teal turf. Even though I do love me some Myrtle Beach.

East Division is good minus Coastal. West Division is fine with me minus the Texas schools.

(07-14-2019 08:29 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  Like stated earlier if you have to worry about travel cost and want a bus league FCS is waiting, I see how it could be appealing but the little bit of money It’ll save you each year is absolutely not appealing to me.

Build a conference around who would provide the most TV contract value for the league and what you'd gain from media rights value will be greater than the pocket change we'd save from travel costs in geographic leagues.

Plus, it would mean ESPN would more spread out who they choose to have on mid week games and teams like Ark State and GS wouldn't carry as much of the burden of having so many mid week conference games.

We would have few or no marketz, but our actual revenue would go up and we'd compare more favorably with the MWC and AAC.

Now that Twitter account is proposing replacing WKU and Georgia State with Tulane and Memphis if the AAC breaks up. Hahahahahaha. He must just be trying to troll people.

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/...6453090305


Seems the realignment talk is coming from the CUSA side, at the moment.

Guys, literally anyone can create a Twitter account and call it whatever conference they want with whatever schools they want. This account is no different than a fan message board.

Someone was bored and set up a Twitter account with the same junk that is in a hundred re-organization threads generated this off-season. It appears that no real thought went into this at all. It's somebody's personal wish list.

(07-14-2019 08:43 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 08:29 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  Like stated earlier if you have to worry about travel cost and want a bus league FCS is waiting, I see how it could be appealing but the little bit of money It’ll save you each year is absolutely not appealing to me.

Build a conference around who would provide the most TV contract value for the league and what you'd gain from media rights value will be greater than the pocket change we'd save from travel costs in geographic leagues.

Plus, it would mean ESPN would more spread out who they choose to have on mid week games and teams like Ark State and GS wouldn't carry as much of the burden of having so many mid week conference games.

We would have few or no marketz, but our actual revenue would go up and we'd compare more favorably with the MWC and AAC.

Regional alignment brings with it regional rivals. Regional competition becomes more intense brings more passion and more long term value for the fans and the universities. Take Ga state and GS fan interest day one. High attendance games despite one or the other stinking it up on the field. Dismissing the value of regional competition is narrow minded to say the least. GS recruits heavily in Florida. The opportunity to take the Florida Us the wood shed would be outstanding and add significant value to the GS brand in Florida when recruiting budgets are tight. Potentially bringing in better talent for the winner at a much reduced cost.

(07-14-2019 01:07 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 08:43 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 08:29 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  Like stated earlier if you have to worry about travel cost and want a bus league FCS is waiting, I see how it could be appealing but the little bit of money It’ll save you each year is absolutely not appealing to me.

Build a conference around who would provide the most TV contract value for the league and what you'd gain from media rights value will be greater than the pocket change we'd save from travel costs in geographic leagues.

Plus, it would mean ESPN would more spread out who they choose to have on mid week games and teams like Ark State and GS wouldn't carry as much of the burden of having so many mid week conference games.

We would have few or no marketz, but our actual revenue would go up and we'd compare more favorably with the MWC and AAC.

Regional alignment brings with it regional rivals. Regional competition becomes more intense brings more passion and more long term value for the fans and the universities. Take Ga state and GS fan interest day one. High attendance games despite one or the other stinking it up on the field. Dismissing the value of regional competition is narrow minded to say the least. GS recruits heavily in Florida. The opportunity to take the Florida Us the wood shed would be outstanding and add significant value to the GS brand in Florida when recruiting budgets are tight. Potentially bringing in better talent for the winner at a much reduced cost.

Who in the CUSA can you honestly tell me will sell tickets the same way Georgia State does?

Do you know why Wofford was a bigger attendance draw when we were in the SoCon than the Citadel and UTC? It wasn't because Wofford brought lots fans to our stadium, it was because they were competitive. Our fans are going to be more interested in watching a team that's a proven consistent competitor like Ark State than UNCC or FAU.

(07-13-2019 10:02 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Honestly fine with me. All I care about is a new Eastern based G5 conference that includes Marshall, App St, Ga Southern. As long as those 3 schools are together I'm not worried about who else is/isn't involved. I'm 90% sure WKU, MTSU, and ODU would want to join. I'm pretty sure the Florida twins F_U would want to join. No doubt Liberty, JMU, Charlotte would want to join. I'm sure a few in the current Sun Belt would be interested in that. I'd try to keep it at 10 schools but would go to 12 if it made sense. Absolutely no more than 12 though.

I truly think a new eastern based G5 conference could challenge the MWC for the #2 overall G5 conference.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
App State
Ga Southern
???
???
???
???

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
App State
Ga Southern
Charlotte - meh.. they're close by.
Coastal - Football Stadium now seats 20K. Great baseball. It's Myrtle Beach!
JMU - FBS level Stadium. 2020 opens a state of the art basketball arena.
GA State - Easy W & I like going to the Varsity!

I'd trade the Mutts for UAB.

Denton to Houston 279 miles

San Marcos to Houston 164 miles

but...do go on with that travel partners thing.

I have a feeling that unless the AAC or something better came calling, Troy, App, and GS would all want to stick together and wouldn’t be interested in moving to a different conference without the others.

(07-14-2019 02:27 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  I have a feeling that unless the AAC or something better came calling, Troy, App, and GS would all want to stick together and wouldn’t be interested in moving to a different conference without the others.

I think you're right but if MU get's in that's four that will come as a package going forward. Separating them would be difficult. Super solid foundation. Adding the Florida Us would make it more solid given zero options for them and waay less travel.

That's:

CrApp
GS
MU
Troy

Add:

FAU
FIU
Ark state
Ga state
USA
ODU
CCU
UNCC

Let the rest regroup regionally. They'll be happy. Everybody happy!

(07-14-2019 02:27 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  I have a feeling that unless the AAC or something better came calling, Troy, App, and GS would all want to stick together and wouldn’t be interested in moving to a different conference without the others.

And I feel the same about UAB, GSU, and Charlotte. I think institutionally we belong together. And seeing how we are the geographic counterparts to the group you sited, Troy, GS, and App, I’d like this six to be nexus of a new conference if, as you say, the AAC schools were excluded. It would be very interesting which 4 to 6 others would be willing to tag along.

(07-14-2019 02:59 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 02:27 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  I have a feeling that unless the AAC or something better came calling, Troy, App, and GS would all want to stick together and wouldn’t be interested in moving to a different conference without the others.

I think you're right but if MU get's in that's four that will come as a package going forward. Separating them would be difficult. Super solid foundation. Adding the Florida Us would make it more solid given zero options for them and waay less travel.

That's:

CrApp
GS
MU
Troy

Add:

FAU
FIU
Ark state
Ga state
USA
ODU
CCU
UNCC

Let the rest regroup regionally. They'll be happy. Everybody happy!

Marshall is too far when UAB is literally 2hrs away from Atlanta.

Your list looks right mostly. Plenty of good schools in neighboring states. All under 5 hours of driving. No need for hotels for travelling teams. Set up the headquarter at Mercedez-Benz in downtown Atlanta.
GSU
GS
UAB
TROY
USA
APP
UNCC
CCU
MTSU
WKU

You have flagship schools in all 3 major sports. Pre-existing hatreds and rivalries kept intact. Short, inexpensive, and no burdensome road trips for athletes, families, and fans. Academically pretty respectable overall. Some very nice destination cities and towns. Boom. A pretty respectable G5 league right here.