(07-11-2019 05:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State is a R2 in academics. They are not terrible.

I assure you Boise is listed in national ranking publications as NOT IN THE TOP 600 COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITIES IN THE USA. That sir is not just bad it is god awful bad. In at least 2 of the more prominent publications they ARE NOT IN THE TOP 900 UNIVERSITIES.

(07-30-2019 05:02 AM)Rob3338 Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 05:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State is a R2 in academics. They are not terrible.

I assure you Boise is listed in national ranking publications as NOT IN THE TOP 600 COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITIES IN THE USA. That sir is not just bad it is god awful bad. In at least 2 of the more prominent publications they ARE NOT IN THE TOP 900 UNIVERSITIES.

Robb3338 has the better of this exchange ... Boise State does not appear in the top 1000 Universities in the World on the AWRU ranking.

While being in the R2 might make it sound like Boise State is in the second tier of research Universities, there is less there than meets the eye. All schools that confer "enough" Doctorates show up as R1, R2 or R3 ... whether those are Research or Professional doctorates. There are 130 R1's, 139 R2's, and 161 R3's. And the R2's are the ones that either have higher total research activity but lower research activity on a per professor basis, or lower total research activity but higher research activity on a per professor basis.

Master's granting schools are just ranked by degrees awarded annually -- 200+ (393), 100-199 (207), 50-99 (141) ... there isn't an indication where they stand in research relative to the Doctoral Universities. Which means you can be "R2" while hundreds of universities you are not compared to outperform you in research, because they do not grant enough research or professional doctorates to qualify for the listing you are in.

And how does Boise State qualify for being a Research University?:

Quote: Professional-dominant: These institutions awarded research doctoral degrees in a range of fields, and the largest number of research doctorates were in professions other than engineering (such as education, health professions, law, public policy, or social work).

So hand out enough JD's, Dr.s of Education and etc. annually, and you get to be a Research University. Spend enough money on research, either across the University or on a per professor basis, but not both, and you can make R2 (if you did both, you would be R1).

But that doesn't get you on the AWRU list, which is results based, not spending based.

Boise has no shot at a power conference, ever. They blew their best chance when they backed out of the Big East.

(07-30-2019 09:07 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  Boise has no shot at a power conference, ever. They blew their best chance when they backed out of the Big East.

True, but this would not hurt them if they came in as football only. They were in the PAC for wrestling, but left when they swapped wrestling for baseball.


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