(07-11-2019 08:50 AM)Rabonchild Wrote: Three reasons UTEP prefers CUSA over MWC
1. East coast recruiting (population is much larger in the east & Southeastern recruits.
2. ETS conference (potentially more TV viewers).
3. In a conference with other Texas schools
There is also a reason the Dallas Cowboys prefer an eastern conference.
The reason Marshall prefers CUSA:
Southeastern recruits ( especially Florida)
these are nonsense reasons that result in failure
UTEP is doing next to nothing with Southeast recruiting
they have no recruits this year
in 2019 they had 33 recruits with 22 from Texas, 7 from California, 2 from Arizona, 1 from Kansas, and 1 from PA
so out of a massive class of 33 they had zero recruits from the Southeast and one from anything east ans that was far from the Southeast
and the one from Kansas was surly because of their coaches connections there
2018 25 recruits (Rank 129)
13 Texas, 7 California, 1 Arizona, 1 Colorado, 1 Illinois, 1, Maryland and 1 North Carolina
so two out of 25 from anywhere in the SE while they had 9 from western states that were not Texas (Texas is in The South anyway)
2017 17 recruits (133)
10 Texas, 3 California, 1 Arizona, 1, Georgia, 1 Maryland, 1 New Mexico
so 2 from the SE and 5 from the W/SW
2016 25 recruits (125)
19 Texas, 2 Washington, 1 Arizona, 1 California, 1 Kansas, 1 Maryland
hey maybe you are onto something here they have developed that Maryland connection to the hot bed of Maryland football talent.....really not in the SE, but we will call it that to even give this concept a chance
but still 3 from the west 1 from the E/SE
2015 24 recruits (128)
7 California, 7 Texas, 2 Arizona, 2 New York (get a rope), 1 Louisiana, 1 Michigan, 1 Mississippi, 1 New Mexico, 1 Oregon, 1 Washington
so 12 W/SW and 2 SE
2014 23 recruits (118)
13 Texas, 5 California, 2 New York, 1 New Mexico, 1 Ohio, 1 Wisconsin
2013 19 recruits (121)
12 Texas, 4 California, 1 Nevada, 1 PA, 1 Washington
2012, 2011, 2010.....all more of the same
so clearly someone forgot to tell the coaching staff that they were moving into the hotbed of Southeast recruiting because they have basically done nothing at all to recruit that area in 9 years
and I do subscribe to the idea that when you have a lot of programs similar to yours in the same state or when you come from a very small area with little talent then you try and offer something different to recruits (sort of like Boise offers California recruits)
but clearly UTEP is not selling that "come to UTEP and play in the east" very well to the GOOD recruits out of the W/SW......they are selling that to a lot of warm bodies out of those areas, but clearly not ones that are really good at football or highly recruited.......probably because the ones that are good and highly recruited want to play more in the west southwest even if they go out of state for a change of pace to do so
the idiotic "more teams in the same state" argument
people never seem to believe it, but the evidence is overwhelming that when you have too many programs in the same conference from the same state it is detrimental to that conference and those programs.....this goes for P5 and G5 alike and has been proven (and is still being proven) time and again
from the PAC 10/12 to the SWC to the CUSA (all versions), to the MAC to the ACC when you look at the performance of the programs from the same state (a state with more than 3 in the conference) in those conferences and compare it to the performance of other members in the conference or compare it to the performance of programs in that state not in that conference
the evidence is clear that the programs in the conference with more than 3 of them dramatically under perform
and when you look at the programs in those states that are outliers or that are in a conference with only two programs in the same state it is clear they have an advantage....be it TCU playing in the west, the MWC schools vs most of the PAC 12 California schools (Cal, UCLA suck relative to what they should be and Stanford has a long history if sucking and only became good in recent history when USC finally collapsed) to ECU vs the other NC programs in the ACC, to Cincy vs the Ohio MAC programs to UH (and even SMU to a degree) getting away from other Texas schools in CUSA and into the AAC)
being one of a large group of schools from the same state in the same conference is horrible for the conference and those schools
north Texas state fans cling to this idea for dear life, but the reality is they have had 3 good seasons in the CUSA and 3 terrible seasons and one of their good seasons was when they were new in the conference and it it was followed up by two horrible seasons and one bad season
and when you look at the performance of the other 3 Texas programs in CUSA over that time period they are all HORRIBLE
and even with those north Texas state "da seasons doh" they still get destroyed in bowl games, do not win their division and generally get wins against a lot of really bad teams including 3 others in Texas
as soon as their undersized QB gets lit up they will be in a world or hurt or if their coach leaves same thing and then it is 4 Texas boat anchors for the CUSA or perhaps Rice or UTSA will step up to be just Ok Texas team out of four in Texas and the cycle will continue
you can look at Florida as a different example.....it is much easier for Florida, FSU, and Miami to have good programs spread out between two major conferences......it is easier for the U_F and F_U sisters to have better seasons spread between two conferences than if they were in the same conference
as for TV.....well the MWC might have a crappy TV package, but what does the CUSA have....not to mention the money difference and that El Paso is in the Mountain Time Zone so they get treated to 10am games some times
from the clear lack of recruiting that you mention, to the horrible performance of the Texas teams in the CUSA (through all history of the CUSA) to the lack of meaningful TV coverage and much worse money there is nothing that you are selling a an advantage of UTEP in the CUSA that has done anything, but he a massive drag on UTEP (and a drag on CUSA for that matter)
just an all around disaster built on a nonsense premise that has failed programs and conferences time and again and still continues to fail them
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Why isn't UTEP in the MWC & Marshall in the MAC?
