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RE: OT: UT offers free tuition < $65k
(07-09-2019 04:07 PM)Hou_Lawyer Wrote:  https://www.chron.com/news/article/Unive...083225.php

This may PO my niece. Her son graduates in December.
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Free? Somebody will pay.
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(07-09-2019 04:32 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Free? Somebody will pay.

It's backed by an endowment.

According to the UT Web Site, they have an existing plan with $30k/$100k thresholds.
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RE: OT: UT offers free tuition < $65k
(07-09-2019 05:15 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 04:32 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Free? Somebody will pay.

It's backed by an endowment.

According to the UT Web Site, they have an existing plan with $30k/$100k thresholds.

I have seen several articles about the new announcement, but not a single one mentioned whether the offer is limited to in-state students.

The UT website that you linked seems to say that it is.

While it is natural to assume that there would be an in-state restriction, it sill seems odd that not a single news story thought to actually state it.
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RE: OT: UT offers free tuition < $65k
(07-09-2019 05:15 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 04:32 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Free? Somebody will pay.

It's backed by an endowment.

According to the UT Web Site, they have an existing plan with $30k/$100k thresholds.

Exactly. The endowment is paying. I guess my issue is with the Chronicle headline rather than what UT is doing. It’s not “free”.
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RE: OT: UT offers free tuition < $65k
(07-09-2019 06:01 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 05:15 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 04:32 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Free? Somebody will pay.

It's backed by an endowment.

According to the UT Web Site, they have an existing plan with $30k/$100k thresholds.

I have seen several articles about the new announcement, but not a single one mentioned whether the offer is limited to in-state students.

The UT website that you linked seems to say that it is.

While it is natural to assume that there would be an in-state restriction, it sill seems odd that not a single news story thought to actually state it.

The Chron article says it will cover in-state students in the second paragraph. Doesn’t explicitly state that it is limited, but based on the sentence structure, it is implying it is.
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RE: OT: UT offers free tuition < $65k
(07-09-2019 06:14 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 05:15 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 04:32 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Free? Somebody will pay.

It's backed by an endowment.

According to the UT Web Site, they have an existing plan with $30k/$100k thresholds.

Exactly. The endowment is paying. I guess my issue is with the Chronicle headline rather than what UT is doing. It’s not “free”.

Would be interesting to understand where the new endowment funding came from.
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RE: OT: UT offers free tuition < $65k
My guess is the top 6 percent getting admitted to UT will soon be top 5 or even 4 percent (A&M still is almost 10 percent by comparison). Especially in lower income areas, the competition to be in the top percent of your class will be intense. You might see a lot of kids transferring from HISD school to a different HISD school to ensure they are in that top percentage.
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RE: OT: UT offers free tuition < $65k
(07-09-2019 06:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 06:14 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 05:15 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 04:32 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Free? Somebody will pay.
It's backed by an endowment.
According to the UT Web Site, they have an existing plan with $30k/$100k thresholds.
Exactly. The endowment is paying. I guess my issue is with the Chronicle headline rather than what UT is doing. It’s not “free”.
Would be interesting to understand where the new endowment funding came from.

My guess is that increased oil production doe to fracking has significantly enriched the endowment.

I have a question. With sticker prices skyrocketing, and with more and more programs such as this, are we going to reach a point where only the poor to lower middle class, and on the other hand the extremely wealthy, and going to be able to obtain a university education? Are we going to Californicate university education?
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RE: OT: UT offers free tuition < $65k
(07-10-2019 07:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 06:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 06:14 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 05:15 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 04:32 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Free? Somebody will pay.
It's backed by an endowment.
According to the UT Web Site, they have an existing plan with $30k/$100k thresholds.
Exactly. The endowment is paying. I guess my issue is with the Chronicle headline rather than what UT is doing. It’s not “free”.
Would be interesting to understand where the new endowment funding came from.

My guess is that increased oil production doe to fracking has significantly enriched the endowment.

I have a question. With sticker prices skyrocketing, and with more and more programs such as this, are we going to reach a point where only the poor to lower middle class, and on the other hand the extremely wealthy, and going to be able to obtain a university education? Are we going to Californicate university education?

In state tuition for UT is just over $11k per year.
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RE: OT: UT offers free tuition < $65k
(07-10-2019 07:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 06:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 06:14 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 05:15 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 04:32 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Free? Somebody will pay.
It's backed by an endowment.
According to the UT Web Site, they have an existing plan with $30k/$100k thresholds.
Exactly. The endowment is paying. I guess my issue is with the Chronicle headline rather than what UT is doing. It’s not “free”.
Would be interesting to understand where the new endowment funding came from.

My guess is that increased oil production doe to fracking has significantly enriched the endowment.

I have a question. With sticker prices skyrocketing, and with more and more programs such as this, are we going to reach a point where only the poor to lower middle class, and on the other hand the extremely wealthy, and going to be able to obtain a university education? Are we going to Californicate university education?

No, the federal government is going to ensure that every kid still has the opportunity to take out loans to study whatever they want, regardless of the potential (or lack thereof) of said loans being repaid.
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RE: OT: UT offers free tuition < $65k
Yeah, but here is the cheesy move the UT system made (and has made historically for the last 60 years, mind you):

Quote:The University of Texas System announced a new $160 million endowment that will provide additional tuition assistance for more than 14,000 UT-Austin undergraduate students from middle- and low-income families starting in fall 2020.

According the base sources, the new endowment and policy is only effective at UT/Austin.

Traditionally the UT system has starved the absolute hell out of Dallas, SA, El Paso and any other of the 13 non-Austin UT schools for the behest of UT Austin. This is just reversion to the mean.

For example, UTEP has clawed its way from one graduate program in 1987 (geology) to 13 today, pretty much without any degree of the largess shown Austin. And, to be blunt, El Paso is a geography that these types of programs have an absolute massively positive disparate impact.

Same for many of the other UT campuses.

But hey, lets loosen the load on the flagship and put the (not so satellite) satellite schools of the UT system further on the back burner.

But that has been the path of the UT system for 40 years, so I am not really surprised.
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(07-10-2019 09:18 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Yeah, but here is the cheesy move the UT system made (and has made historically for the last 60 years, mind you):

Quote:The University of Texas System announced a new $160 million endowment that will provide additional tuition assistance for more than 14,000 UT-Austin undergraduate students from middle- and low-income families starting in fall 2020.

According the base sources, the new endowment and policy is only effective at UT/Austin.

Traditionally the UT system has starved the absolute hell out of Dallas, SA, El Paso and any other of the 13 non-Austin UT schools for the behest of UT Austin. This is just reversion to the mean.

For example, UTEP has clawed its way from one graduate program in 1987 (geology) to 13 today, pretty much without any degree of the largess shown Austin. And, to be blunt, El Paso is a geography that these types of programs have an absolute massively positive disparate impact.

Same for many of the other UT campuses.

But hey, lets loosen the load on the flagship and put the (not so satellite) satellite schools of the UT system further on the back burner.

But that has been the path of the UT system for 40 years, so I am not really surprised.

Eh, I think this used to be true but maybe not as much anymore. UT-Dallas has become probably the 3rd best public university in the state.
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I will grant you the status of UT-Dallas. That still does not detract in the slightest from the neglect foisted on the other satellites.

Given the past (and present to a good extent) policies of UT with respect to the treatment of the flagship vs others, this move solely for the benefit of UT Austin really doesnt give me the warm fuzzies; notwithstanding the relevant status of UT Dallas.
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Waste of money. This will only encourage students to play as long as they can in college. Suppose the student does not graduate, will that student have to pay back the money to the University?
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(07-10-2019 09:24 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  UT-Dallas has become probably the 3rd best public university in the state.

a/k/a "the University of Texas Instruments". :)
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(07-10-2019 11:03 AM)OldOwl Wrote:  Waste of money. This will only encourage students to play as long as they can in college. Suppose the student does not graduate, will that student have to pay back the money to the University?

Or it might, you know, help students from impoverished backgrounds access resources in the state in which they reside. What a concept.
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(07-10-2019 08:06 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 07:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 06:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 06:14 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 05:15 PM)I45owl Wrote:  It's backed by an endowment.
According to the UT Web Site, they have an existing plan with $30k/$100k thresholds.
Exactly. The endowment is paying. I guess my issue is with the Chronicle headline rather than what UT is doing. It’s not “free”.
Would be interesting to understand where the new endowment funding came from.

My guess is that increased oil production doe to fracking has significantly enriched the endowment.

I have a question. With sticker prices skyrocketing, and with more and more programs such as this, are we going to reach a point where only the poor to lower middle class, and on the other hand the extremely wealthy, and going to be able to obtain a university education? Are we going to Californicate university education?

In state tuition for UT is just over $11k per year.

FYI, as most of us know tuition isn't where they gouge the heck out of you..Its the housing and assortment of fees which is most cases equal to or greater than tuition.
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(07-10-2019 01:40 PM)Musicowl1965 Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 08:06 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 07:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 06:48 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 06:14 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Exactly. The endowment is paying. I guess my issue is with the Chronicle headline rather than what UT is doing. It’s not “free”.
Would be interesting to understand where the new endowment funding came from.

My guess is that increased oil production doe to fracking has significantly enriched the endowment.

I have a question. With sticker prices skyrocketing, and with more and more programs such as this, are we going to reach a point where only the poor to lower middle class, and on the other hand the extremely wealthy, and going to be able to obtain a university education? Are we going to Californicate university education?

In state tuition for UT is just over $11k per year.

FYI, as most of us know tuition isn't where they gouge the heck out of you..Its the housing and assortment of fees which is most cases equal to or greater than tuition.

The $11k includes fees. UT lists a similar number for on-campus board (~$11k per year). Is $11k for housing in Austin gouging? Heck, that is downright affordable!
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